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[–] 240 points 1 year ago (22 children)

hello guys yea i love [insert ad company name] products please buy [company product name] its so good trust me

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  • [–] 58 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I was just reminding a discussion with a guy about Reddit, who thinks Reddit is getting close to the real dead internet theory, just bots talkimg about whatever.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I've definitely had moments where I found myself in some random r/ and realized I wasn't sure if this was bot spam or actual humans. It's pretty dissociating to actually fully internalize the dead Internet theory.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    user_name, the username so generic it has to ironically be human. Only thing missing is a number at the end

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Best way to have forgetful username.

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  • [–] 81 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    While [insert ad company name] products are a little more expensive, the quality and customer service are unmatched. It evens out when you use the [insert ad company name] reward card which gives 5% off each purchase.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    I use {branded reward card} but use their {branded delivery service} for the low fee of {half average emergency fund} for the opportunity to feed their logicistic system my house data when I use {branded subscription model} and be charged what they feel the product is worth they week. The best part is the reduction in basal calorie needs as I slowly get too fat to leave the house.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    hello guys yea I love Linux products please buy Enterprise Support it's so good trust me

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  • [–] 158 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 70 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    What does the comment history look like on those accounts? I’m guessing when you pay for the spam package, they create fake comment histories for the bot accounts.

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  • [–] 93 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

    Often times the services have a fleet of accounts, they have them do reposts of old popular posts with titles and some content rephrased, then some of the rest of the fleet copies the top comments and rephrases those and posts them below.

    This builds a history of realistic and semi popular looking posts in a way that is fairly easy to automate . Anyone who looks closely could potentially figure out a given account, or even cluster of accounts, is farmed, but it takes effort and time to prove it, more effort and time than it takes for them to spool up another batch of bots.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    fleet of accounts

    I like the use of the term "fleet" in this context, bc it brings to mind the Battle of Midway but re-done with bots online.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Who's Yamamoto and Nimitz in this situation?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Well let's see... first we gotta figure out the analogy:

    • carriers = posts promoting a product
    • carrier escorts = posts commenting on and upvoting the "carrier" post
    • torpedos/dive-bombs = bot-delivered replies that disparage "carrier" posts. They "hit" if they get highly upvoted
    • fighters = bots that downvote carrier-fleet posts and upvote torpedo/dive-bomb replies
    • carrier "screen" fighters = bots that post attacks on enemy fighters and munitions
    • carrier AA fire = bots that downvote attacks by enemy fighter bots

    The analogy is still a little clumsy... are "carriers" posts, or are they the bots that make the posts? etc. But a Midway-like battle would involve a modest but strategically-positioned product-promoting community that is about to be surprised-attacked by a rival, who will make several posts disparaging the product. But the attack is identified through corporate espionage. The posts are hard to find, so the "fighters" have to search for them but ultimately they do, and after fierce up- and down-voting, the attacking posts are deeply downvoted.

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  • [–] [S] 66 points 1 year ago

    First guy has a short history within one post five months ago, then 3 years prior. Second guy and third guy has a big gap 3-7 year gap in history then suddenly a lot of comments. So yea, bots.

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  • [–] 120 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Is this the kind of AI ads they were talking about?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Maybe. Some people are this basic though. Not that that's a good excuse.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Last night I brought up a Burger King meal I saw on a commercial to my friends in IRC. We all agreed it was less expensive than we thought it would be and one guy actually ordered it. Some of us ARE that basic, lol.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I mean, that's okay. This is an IRC channel of friends, but it's hard to imagine in a converaation with strangers. Sure, it can happen, and I'd say some subreddits are more prone for this to happen than others, but something in the conversation is off, even inorganic.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I only go to Whole Foods for a few specific stuff items that I can't get elsewhere due to food allergies. There is no way they are the cheapest place to get groceries.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    They actually sell the cheapest veggies and tofu in my area. I honestly don't bother looking at anything else they have so I can't speak otherwise.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That seems bizarre based on the prices I see, maybe they are intentionally undercutting the others locally in your area specifically. Whole Foods was by far the cheapest place to buy eggs earliest this year and were obviously using them as a loss leader (we're talking less than half the price of standard grocery stores in the same area).

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    A reminder that "cashback" credit cards are paid for by big fees on transactions which the store pays, forcing them to raise prices. It's literally anticompetitive

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    This does not apply so much in the Whole Foods/Prime example; the store, the membership, and the credit card are all Amazon products. The consumer is paying Amazon for the privilege of paying Amazon to pay Amazon.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    It’s actually a Chase credit card, and you can convert the cash back to Chase’s system IIRC. But you’d be better off using the Sapphire or whatever their metal card is called if you want the Chase rewards. Amazon rewards just give you cash to spend on Amazon by default.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    That's why you should never use cash. You're paying cash back prices and getting none of the cash back.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    ... And feed the credit card issuers?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    And if the credit card issuers have already won this battle?

    I mean, I agree, I don't like it either. I don't even have a credit card. But I don't see anything changing without a movement.

    [edit] I might have missed you were also the top-level comment. I'll remind people if you will, haha.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    And debit and cash use still pay this price without the benefit. Literally taking their money and giving it to credit card user as reward. There is no justification for credit cards. Banks should do credit margins and transactions should be extremely cheap under a common system.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Eh, for a lot of businesses, the few percent they pay in card fees is worth it to avoid handling large quantities of cash. Cash is a pain in the ass to actually work with on a large scale. Collecting it, counting it, securing it, keeping employees and random criminals from stealing it, etc. Plus lots of cash allows employees to steal from both the employer or the customer by giving bad change deliberately.

    Not that businesses shouldn't accept cash, but there is a reason a lot of them don't want to mess with it. It's an enormous hassle.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago

    Dead internet here we come.

    This is the direction Reddit has been pointed in for years now.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    This reminds me of a time when i used to subscribe to Hydro Homies and there was always someone in the comments tryna hawk a Berkey water filter.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Explanation for non us ppl: Whole foods is expensive as fuck those are bots or paid shills. Hence the Natural joke.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    I don't think that's actually an unusual conversation for people who live in Manhattan to have. The comments about relative prices are accurate in my experience - I live on the same block as a Gristides and I still never shop there because of how expensive it is, even compared to Whole Foods. I get most of my groceries in Brooklyn on the weekends.

    I also know a woman with a whole stack of different credit cards, so she always has the one that gives her the most rewards for whatever specific thing she's buying. I'm sure she has one for grocery shopping.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I agree. Personally I have made multiple amazon accounts and subscribe to prime on each of them. It costs me more upfront, but I get more cash back on my orders. Plus, by buying different raw materials on different accounts the feds are less likely to discover my moonshine operation

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Nah if I'm going to shill for any Manhattan grocery store, it will be Fairway. It's also really expensive but it feels like being in the sort of store you'd go to if you were rich, not like being ripped off. Their cheese counter has prices per 1/4 pound for some of the cheeses but then if you get some $15 per 1/4 pound cheese it will taste so good that you'll think it was worth it. I haven't been there in years but I still long for that cheese.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    It’s also really expensive but it feels like being in the sort of store you’d go to if you were rich, not like being ripped off.

    That's kinda how Whole Foods used to feel, before Amazon bought it.

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    [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Just so everyone knows -- in case you hadn't heard -- you can save 30% on your car insurance by switching to Geico.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    You know, use of long dash is the same kind of tell as an image having 6 fingers. Not impossible to find in human interactions but generally very rare, especially in online conversation. (I'm not even sure if my phone can do a long dash, just these fellows: ---).

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    An em dash — when used properly — is perfectly fine, but a little academic. iOS will do one automatically with two hyphens and a space.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Lemmy markdown


    which is better than Reddit markdown in some ways, but worse in others


    will automatically do a similar conversion, except it takes three hyphens instead of two (two hyphens gets you an en dash). It's nice, but also unfortunate because it messes up people's muscle memory since using only two for it mimics what was customary when writing in ASCII, on mechanical typewriters, etc.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    I use the em-dash a lot. It's not just about the presence of one, the issue is that LLMs know they exist but don't know where they go. It's sort of like a semicolon, which goes where neither a comma nor a period feel right. An em-dashes simply goes where neither comma nor period nor semicolon feels right

    Edit: I should clarify, that's simply how I use them. I'm not smart enough with words to know stuff like "parenthetical clauses" or w/e. Point being, AI just throws them in like they're sentence enhancers

    On my keyboard, I just click the button on the bottom left to see punctuation, and then long-press the hyphen

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Single em dashes can almost always be used interchangeably with semicolons—they typically separate independent clauses without a conjunction.

    Paired em dashes—used to demarcate parenthetical expressions—can be replaced by commas, but not by semicolons.

    It has less to do with what feels right and more to do with the mechanics of the sentence. There is a good bit of wiggle room, figuratively speaking, in deciding whether to use commas or paired em dashes—likewise, whether to use a single em dash or a semicolon is almost entirely a stylistic choice. But I feel like the way you explained it is a bit misleading to people still learning the difference.

    An em dash can also be used to delineate an abrupt break in the direction or structure of a sentence or dialogue in a way that commas or semicolons simply—fuck, I just shit my pants.

    Not trying to be a pedant, just sharing what I've learned over the years.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I feel like generally a good way to summarize it is that em dashes can be used basically anywhere there would be a pause in natural conversation. You pause to include some content, you switch topics, etc. It's fairly intuitive.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Well em-dashes can be used in place of other punctuation that is typically used to denote parenthetical information — such as commas and parentheses — but it also has other uses. Similar to a semicolon it can also be used when changing the idea of a sentence — it's versatile and often an overlooked and underutilized piece of punctuation. Additionally, when you have multiple parenthenthical levels, such as this which is commonly placed within commas — or parentheses — which can be overused, it allows you to segment different layers of parenthetical information.

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  • [+] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I use dashes all the time, but em-dashes? I don't even know how to type those. I guess I could long-press the dash on my phone and select it, but... why?

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  • [+] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    no no, you misunderstand. I'm not talking about the verbal flourish of dashes for interjection - I use those all the time, in this very sentence - I'm specifically talking about producing the specific Unicode character (—) instead of just using the normal ASCII dash (-). the only way I can make the actual em-dash character is by long-pressing. if I do -- or ---, it's just a sequence of normal dash glyphs for me.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Because that's how typography works? Why do you capitalize the first letter in each of your sentences?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I actually don't. :) it's the first thing I disable on my phone. I only capitalize "I" specifically, and proper nouns.

    again though, my issue is one with producing the Unicode character of the specific em-dash glyph. maybe some phones automatically convert dashes to em-dashes based on context but I personally wouldn't know how it's done.

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    [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    Amazon "grocery" delivery is bullshit and stupid expensive, plus there's a ton of shit they don't carry.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    it's such a fucking baffling concept to me, i don't even understand ordering groceries from the fucking grocery store, just go there and buy the stuff

    ordering stuff just.. isn't better..
    there's no benefit unless you simply cannot buy the thing in a nearby store.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Nah grocery stores fucking suck. You can go inside and walk around for an hour in the cold, surrounded by people, squinting through the shitty florescent light, searching for a thing they may not have.

    I will sit in my bed, comfortable and unbothered, and have shit sent to me. This is worth $5 - $10 or whatever.

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