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[–] 82 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I wonder what they thought would happen.

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  • [–] 70 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    They thought they were enough of a monopoly in the consumer and small business market that people wouldn't have much choice. Management started believing their own marketing propaganda. They forgot that none of their product is unique.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    Were they anywhere close to being a monopoly? There's a bunch of other brands selling the same thing. Anyway, I'm actually looking at buying a NAS and I was already explicitly excluding them because of that BS. I'll probably end up building my own, there's some nice cases out there.

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  • [–] 66 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

    Starting to think that companies are all competing on a secretive Achievements Global Leaderboard.

    Synology finally unlocked: "Hubris - only 99% of other large corporations have achieved this".

    I have an old Synology NAS; which i was considering upgrading.

    But...

    1. They removed Video Station and HEVC support
    2. Recently moved to remove all hardware transcoding
    3. This stupid HD restriction
    4. The decision to once again cheap out on hardware. My Synology is about as powerful as a first-gen Netbook. Newer models aren't much of a step-up. I'm surprised they opted to upgrade networking to 2.5gbe, probably pressure from competitors.
    5. Edit: from a comment, the e-waste builds with non-upgradeable RAM

    Yes the software is easy and reliable to use, but the fact that I only need to interact with it a few times a year, means it's no longer a selling point for me.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Look for a used Gen 8 HP microserver. 4 3.5 bays, replaceable cpus from celeron to some xeons. Upgradeable ram. An extra slim CD bay that can be reourposed for an SSD, power sippy, pretty nice looking, not super silent, but replaceable fans,

    I really like mine, and it's running Xpenology, essentially Synology OS

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I think it will be a custom build next time. I'll still use the old one just for backing up photos from my phone.

    Do want something that's quiet and sips power when idle, but can easily transcode any content when needed.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    How many people used Video Station instead of Jellyfin in a container?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    True. When I first started experimenting with the NAS to stream home media, Video Station worked fine. And I could also access content outside of the home network without messing about. Obviously Jellyfin, Emby, Plex are better.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    To be fair, neither runs well on my DS916+. I use the NAS for storage and have a laptop next to it as a Linux server with Docker containers.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I just started playing around with it. I have a DS220+ so it has more horsepower than your ‘16, however a good plugin I found was “disable transcoding” it’ll basically send the stream raw to a device and leave it to the device to deal with. As such it flies on that hardware.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I hope people will remember that Synology readily changes their mind on this kind of thing, and continues to not buy their shitty hardware.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    A proper mea culpa from them could maybe have brought me back, but nope, let’s just quietly pretend we didn’t just try to fuck over all our users and hope no one notices. Complete lack of respect for their customers.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I’m remembering, I’ve wanted a NAS for ages to replace my WD Book backup drive.

    The sad reality is any major corporation is capable of this, they need the profits to keep rising, even if they screw over their employees and customers in the process.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    My recommendation, as someone who has basically no experience with NAS, and only just got into it earlier this year (so take it with a grain of salt); build it yourself.

    If you don't care about power consumption you can pick up an old PC for close to nothing (assuming you don't already have one just sitting around, wink-wonk) chuck some disks in it and call it a day. If you do care about power consumption, you can look around for a cheapo board with a decent low-power CPU.

    I have a small NAS running an Intel N100 chip. It has very low power draw and has barely affected my bill. I'm running Unraid right now, but initially I was just running a headless Debian 12 installation. If you go the fully manual route (as in not TrueNAS or Unraid) it'll take a little bit of manual labour, but nothing that can't be achieved as a fun weekend project, and once it's up and going you're gucci.

    This prebuilt corpo crap doesn't really offer anything you can't achieve yourself, except maybe fancy spyware apps for your smartphone.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Just wanted to say thanks for this, I’ve gone down a whole rabbit hole of NAS devices and I think I can cover my needs and my whole family with N.2 storage. Something along the lines of 12 TB should be enough so 4 *4tb (one redundant) may be the best option and I’m a stickler for power consumption, so a little N150 can probably run everything for less than 20w.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Hey, I'm glad you found it helpful. I run a lot on my N100.

    • A DNS hole for privacy and ad blocking
    • Audiobookshelf for all my audiobooks, because screw Amazon and Audible
    • Copyparty for simple file management/transfer, as I don't need a full office suite like Nextcloud
    • Jellyfin for my films/series
    • Linkding for managing bookmarks
    • Navidrome for my music library

    As well as some extra services mostly for utility reasons, a reverse proxy, some headless game servers, etc. The applications don't all do things at the same time, e.g. Jellyfin isn't sitting and transcoding 100% of the time, so the only time it's really loaded down is when a lot of people connect to a game server.

    My only advice would be to maybe check the price/performance difference between the N100 and the N150. I was initially going for the N150 as well, but found that paying double for the marginal performance difference of the N150 just wasn't worth it for me. I spent the savings on more storage instead.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago

    The HDD restriction was the nudge I needed to finally build my own NAS on Unraid. No regrets, and my DS923+ sold on eBay for nearly the same amount of money I paid for it 18 months ago.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I would have created a brand of Certified "high reliability", or "durostore" or the like, with an extra year of warranty, and included coupons in the drive box, to make the price "only" about 10% more.

    Make the customer believe they are getting a steal for "premium" drives.

    Its so easy to give customers less, while having them believe they are getting more...

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    The value proposition point is something that’s been sorely missing from companies lately. In a true testament to “late stage capitalism”, a lot are trying to jump just straight to capture and maximum extraction.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    But what if, we could arbitrary limit users to buying our drives exclusively and disguise it as their own security?

    Seymour from Steamed Hams

    Hohoho, delightfully devilish, Synology.

    So many companies are looking for ways to limit their customers from doing what they were doing and making them pay to "upgrade" back to it, it's absurd.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    I bought a Synology after I moved to Germany in a moment of weakness where I wanted a NAS but was dealing with immigrating and wanted something easy.

    I wouldn't say I regret it because it worked out of the box and now I self host a bit. But my next NAS will be custom as I've been disappointed with the hardware and the company since.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago
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    [–] 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Cool. Thanks Synology. I've still decided I'll never fucking buy one.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This is a market where customers buy religiously based on trust.

    How do you decide to fuck that up like this?

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    "shitty company learning how to get as close to the line of fucking their customers over for more profit, likely to do it again after this settles down"

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Synology is in an interesting position.

    They make a product mostly aimed toward nerds, very few non-nerd people will see the point of a local NAS and have the patience to set one up.

    Nerds are funny in that they hate being told that you are not allowed to do things with your own hardware.

    Synology messed up bad here

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    Good. They don't deserve customers ever again.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    Its poor form to say that people purchased alternatives, but not list those alternatives (apart from the ransomwared qnap).

    I built mine on OpenMediaVault, a quick search shows that Asustor and Terramaster are popular options. What other brands should people consider?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I am currently building a server in a Jonsbo N4 case, it runs Truenas, but I need three more drives to start using it, preferabely five more, ultimately I want five more drives, a PCIe to M.2 card, two NVMe SSDs, an Intel Arc A310 and a 10Gbit NIC.

    Then I can test out running apps, transcoding video and transfer files as fast as my network will go.

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    Still don't buy their stuff, they will find a different way to fuck you over if it's profitable

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    [–] [S] 66 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Still best not to buy anything from Synology. To my knowledge, Synology never demoted or fired the individuals responsible for this, that means they are still working at the company and looking to scam consumers.

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  • [–] 58 points 1 year ago

    Too little too fuckin late. Why would I recommend anyone go back to Synology? They'll just reverse course again later.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago*

    Lol

    If they were surprised by the drop in sales then they do not know their target audience very well.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    Yea I bought my synology like a month before this announcement. Really puts a bad taste on everything they do since then. I won’t need to upgrade for a while but when I do it will not be a Synology device.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    That only appears to apply to hard drives though.

    If you want to use M.2 SSDs for your storage pool and cache, then you still need to use a Synology-certified SSD (which doesn’t necessarily mean that it needs to be Synology branded, just tested and certified).

    From https://liliputing.com/synology-backtracks-and-adds-3rd-party-hard-drive-support-to-its-2025-nas-lineup-network-attached-storage/

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Damage has already been done. They also killed apps, codecs etc.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    No shit Sherlock.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    *slow clap*

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    [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    The original move was especially idiotic given that tech savvy users of their products - a rather significant proportion - were able to easily add their existing HDDs to the accepted drivers DB. All they accomplished was making a bunch of techies rather pissed off.

    Burn the goodwill of your power users and act surprised when they stop recommending your product.

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    It's almost like the entire policy was pointless and a blatant manipulation tactic.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Ha ha, enjoy being bought out by a competitor

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Now do hardware transcoding.

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