I volunteer at a food bank, and the company that sends us our food decides what we get. Last Tuesday they sent so much produce we could not fit it all into fridges. We were trying to give away cases of the food on Wednesday, but people were turning it down because they had no place to store a case of tomatoes, or cauliflower. This was what we had left after last Wednesday's morning give away. Not pictured the 5000lbs of watermelons, the 2500lbs of onions (those will last a lot longer).

The company that supplies us wants to move from sending shipments every other week, to once a month. This would cause even more no produce loss.

It is so frustrating to have all this food for it to go bad. Even if we got the same volume of produce, but there was variation in what it is we could give it away easier.

Edit: I posted this in a comment.

Because of bureaucracy we have to request this. If it is found out we are giving away the food to unapproved recipients we can lose all of our funding. If we give to unapproved recipients and they in turn give us prepared food to give out, that is okay.

Word got out that we were loading up my pickup with food and taking it to the homeless camps. I did get a number of them to start coming to the bank to get food. But it was easier when I could take stuff to them.

We are not allowed to simply give it out to anyone. This is not like a church pantry where all of the food is donated by the community and's parishioners. There is government funding, as well as private businesses, which I am guessing get their money back from the government for funding this. If we could simply give it to anyone we would not be in this situation.

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[–] 113 points 1 year ago (20 children)

Also: Where is this? It’s a small world, some Lemming might pick up a cauliflower or two.

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  • [–] [S] 65 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (18 children)

    Rural nm (edit NM is the state abbreviation for New Mexico, a lot of US residents, our president included, think we are actually Mexico, but they still recognize the postal abbreviation NM. Using it is a work habit I have.)

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  • [–] 70 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    For the tomatoes you might see if there’s canning groups on Facebook for your area? It takes a metric fuck-ton of tomatoes to make a can of sauce so they’d likely be able to use quite a bit of them.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I think the bigger problem is that there are at least 50 trays of tomatoes there and it'll take a bunch of kitchen space and time to process all of them, all of which has to be done on next-to-no notice. It'll also take a lot of time and supplies to can them all - though at least whatever they have the time and space to process will be shelf-stable in the end.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    The real question is who the fuck is this "company" that is supplying them with far more stock than they could possibly handle, and why the fuck are those incompetent morons handling so much produce at all?

    What the food bank can manage would be known. All "excess" should be handled by the supplying company, instead of making their oversupply the problem of volunteers to manage and dispose of.

    I'd be willing to bet the profits of the supplier, or lack of funding to distribute the stock over a larger area, are the reason for this entire situation.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Having volunteered at a church's food distribution for over 25 years, I can say that some food banks are pretty special with how they do things. We purchase food from a large food bank for distribution once a month. If the food bank has a lot of produce or something they haven't been able to move, sometimes they'll throw a pallet or two extra on the trailer when we pick it up, so that they can get rid of it. When we get the trailer, sometimes it's just a surprise what we end up with.

    In general, we have some people that come that have extended families or neighbors that they give some of the surplus to. Then there's the church that were hosted at. There's some things that they're able to keep for the next day to offer to the parishioners. Beyond that, there's the occasional phone call to other churches to see if anybody could use it. In the end, the pastor knows a pig farmer where if we have a surplus of a surplus, some stuff will go to.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    I think the "hit up local churches" suggestion from another commenter would help with that, since (larger) churches often have decent kitchens that are less likely to be getting used on a weekday.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I take it “nm” stands for New Mexico. What’s the weather like there? Sun-drying might be an option, at least dried tomatoes are something people buy.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    My first thought for some reason was "northern Manitoba" lol

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I have gotten used to using the state abbreviation for New Mexico because a lot of people in the states see the "Mexico" and assume it is not a state. But they see NM and know that is a state. I forget that outside of the US people generally know our states better. Hell even our president does not realize we are a state.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    That's really funny and really sad at the same time.

    Most Canadians know all US states, and I'm fairly certain I can match 95% of state postal abbreviations to their corresponding state (save for the ones starting with M, good luck lol). I'd like to see Americans try to put the huge landmass that is Manitoba (MB) on a map 😄

    I don't think I've ever been confused between what's Mexico and what's USA, and I feel like uneducated racist people may just be going off of the name, like Nevada / Arizona being spanish names and New Mexico referencing Mexico.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    Facebook canning groups are a great idea, as someone else mentioned. Them little old ladies can do pretty amazing things on short notice. Can I suggest hitting up local churches? The methodists, Episcopal and baptists are all particularly fond of doing drives and such, and may be able to do an impromptu canning drive for y'all

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    If you're nearish ABQ, I've got a pickup I'm happy to help transport with. I unfortunately don't think I'm in the list of approved people, otherwise I'd be more than happy to take as many of those tomatoes as I could. Unfortunately I can't get my kid to eat cauliflower to save their life, so I have limited uses for that.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    This same thing plays out at many major food banks countrywide.

    Find out where the manufacturer's warehouses and production plants actually are, and the nearest large food banks will be the recipients of their trash.

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  • [–] 107 points 1 year ago (53 children)

    Seldom have I seen a better example of why universal basic income is so preferable to food banks.

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  • [+] -57 points 1 year ago (41 children)

    Please explain how that would solve the issue of people not wanting to eat their vegetables.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (31 children)

    People shouldn't downvote you, it's an educational experience.

    Edit: Nah, fuck this guy.

    People should be able to buy what they need, not be at the whims of what a capitalist entity dumps in a food bank.

    Not everyone has the ability to store, prepare or even cook vegetables. Due to lack of utensils, food storage or even something to heat with. For many, vegetables would just be a liability and force you to choose between other necessities as you battle limited carrying capacity.

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  • [+] -25 points 1 year ago (28 children)

    Something something beggars can't be choosers.

    Cooking cauliflower isn't rocket science. All you need is a pot and some water, and maybe a bit of salt. You can even eat it with your hands if you lack utensils. It's also good raw with some ranch dressing. You're making it sound a lot more complicated than it really is.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    It's not cooking some cauliflower, it's cooking a shit ton of cauliflower. And storing it before and after cooking. Some places you only buy a couple days worth of food because you have a tiny place. And that's actually housed people, if you're unhoused you can't store shit.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 year ago

    Less than a block from the food bank is an old motel that has been turned into apartments. But they have no kitchens. The place is so old most of the rooms do not have microwaves. A lot of our "customers" live there.

    I worked in the movie industry for a couple years, and I lived in motel rooms with microwaves. I hardly cooked anything because it was a pain in the ass.

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  • [+] -16 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Have you considered giving it away to your neighbors? That's what I would do if I was given more cauliflower than I know what to do with. Consider that not everyone even has the means to make it to the food bank.

    And what if I don't end up using the whole box if it's going to rot away at the food bank anyways? I'd take the whole box if need be, and I'd eat as much as I physically can and try to give away the rest before it spoils. Literally all I'm hearing in this thread is "I don't want to eat cauliflower because chicken wings taste better".

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago* (11 children)

    "What's that? You're tired and just want some food? Fuck you here 3 boxes of cauliflower, now you have to distribute it too. Live in a sketchy neighborhood? Sounds like a you problem fuck you. Took the bus in? Fuck you you have to lug it on the bus and distribute it. Can't eat it? Fuck you now you have rotting food in your apartment that you have to clean out. What you don't want it? You fucks just want chicken wings fuck you. Beggars can't be choosers, so fuck you."

    Until this reply I thought you were blissfully unaware. Now I know you're a prick.

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  • [+] -8 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    "Oh boy, I can't take these free cauliflowers because I live in a sketchy neighborhood where people are just going to steal it."

    Said no one, ever.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (9 children)

    Wow you just keep doubling down. For the food I already pointed out several problems which you now ignore. As for neighbors, in some areas you want as little contact as you can get. The others are right you've had one hell of a blessed life and are a complete prick a about it. Ciao.

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  • [+] -12 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    you've had one hell of a blessed life

    I have indeed, and quite a lot of that is thanks to not complaining about being given free food when I was broke.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    Blessed as fuck. Damn, you're lucky. Never strolled through the ghetto, never been homeless, never had to carry fucking weight. You're soft as fuck. Not a man.

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  • [+] -11 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Says the guy who can't be bothered to cook some free fucking cauliflower.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Naive as fuck. How old are you? I literally take unrefridgerated veggies from my neighbor (so grateful. He just doesn't want to cook and barely sees it as food. That's fine. I can do it.) and make stew with damned near rotten vegetables every week. And, I have a refrigerator, a place to cook, a place to hang out, and don't have to confine my belongings to something I can carry while randomly getting kicked out of any area I'm just trying to exist in. You're either a propaganda plant, or fucking 12 years old. Grow up. Man up. Suck less. By the way, pizza places that precook their shit before it's ordered (like Little Caesars) are great places to dumpster dive after close of the business day. I've gone weeks on preservative-filled, pre-cooked pizza. Really helpful in a conservative state with no food banks you could hope to walk to without freezing to death.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    You need to see this. I forgot to mention that, when you grow up poor, fruits and vegetables are a fucking luxury. Nothing beats the crunch you get from fresh vegetables. I love salad and I prefer most vegetables raw. Man, you've been so fucking sheltered.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If they’re a luxury, how do you explain people turning them down because they can’t be bothered to store them?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Sounds like you've had a nice, pampered life, princess.

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  • [+] -15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Sounds like you just don't want to eat your veggies, princess.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    I like making stew. Great way to make something tasty with the veggies you have that are getting ready to go bad. In my apartment. Where I have a stove, a refrigerator, and a place to hang out while I cook. Being homeless (I'm no stranger), you gonna carry a fucking head if cabbage in your backpack? Fuck no. Protein, sugar, can't expire, doesn't need heat to eat it. That's what you want. You suck, bro. Keep thinking these bums are just too snobby for the food we're all so considerate to give away. Hey, maybe we can skip the part where they carry rotting veggies in their backpack in 100 degree whether, and just feed them compost? You're moralizing the actions of victims of systemic abuse while your morality ain't fucking nothin to snuff at. Justify anything you believe. I'll fucking wait.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Not everyone who goes to the food bank is homeless. Plenty of people these days can’t afford grocery store prices and have families to feed, and cauliflower is a healthy and nutritious vegetable that’s full of vitamins. But nooo, apparently it’s too much of a hassle to cook it.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Damn, you're a fucking idiot. Blah. Nobody is beyond redemption. Talk to somebody who loves you instead of trying to get somebody to agree with you on the fucking internet. You don't have friends here. Get off your computer and talk to somebody who cares about you and what you feel. You can snicker at the bums together, but this has nothing to do with the morality of the bums who don't affect you, and more to do with your primal need for love and social status. Chill with your loved ones and talk about what's on your mind. Specifically, what's bothering you.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago*

    You've just added like 10kg of carrying requirements to someone who likely has all their worldly possessions on their back.

    And that's not even counting being forced to use gas for food instead of saving it for warmth on a freezing cold night.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Wow you didn't use a single brain cell considering that from any other perspective than your own with that comment.

    Just wanted to confirm that, cause that is the vibe you seem to have purposely put out there.

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I might be privileged enough to be able to afford to buy whatever food I want at the moment, but you can bet your ass that if I was broke and forced to go to the food bank, I'd be stoked AF to get a whole box of cauliflower for free, and I'd be eating it for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    You'd be lucky to even have a gas stove, let alone a tent and blanket to sleep in.

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  • [+] -9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Give me some ranch dressing and I'll eat a whole head of cauliflower raw. And the rest I'll use to throw at your idiot visage.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You suck so bad. Read. Feel it. Breakfast, lunch, and dinner on cauliflower and ranch? That's fucking cute. Go experience loss, and maybe you can play with the adults in the room.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Sure, if I was starving and there's nothing else available, why not? Cauliflower has a lot of vitamins, certainly not the worst thing you could eat. Snubbing your nose at that sounds like privilege to me.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Slime. Mold. Shit that is toxic. It's a storage issue. How do you not understand this? You take groceries home, right? You don't say, let's stop by a fucking roller rink before we throw our shit in the freezer. Might as well ask them to eat roadkill. It's protein, right? You gonna tell your daughter, "buck up. I just saw an armadillo on Grand. Why the fuck you whining?"

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  • [+] -36 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Except for the fact that a lot of these people aren't capable of managing money.

    They are on the street because they have serious issues

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Turns out that money is one of those things that the less you have of it, the harder it is to manage.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    It is also a bit tricky when you can't read or write and are struggling with schizophrenia, bipolar and other disruptive issues. And that is before you take in account all of the drug and alcohol addiction.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Indeed.

    Each of the issues you described is mitigated - if not cured - by steady income. And each is greatly exacerbated by a lack of such income.

    What is really important is that the family and friends of the people struggling with these conditions aren't also impoverished. The outcomes of each these conditions are vastly improved when the sufferer's caregivers have the time and resources to attend to them.

    UBI benefits everyone involved.

    For the cases where the individual is not capable of managing their own money, it is still better for their caregiver to receive and manage their money on their behalf than to periodically send them crates of cauliflower and tomatoes.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I personally disagree with UBI as it doesn't solve the core issue. Giving people money doesn't teach long term skills that lead to success. I also think it would be better to have private organizations that have less bureaucracy. Smaller charities tend to do much better in my experience. Homelessness isn't something that can easily be solved by a single thing. It is something that has been with humans since civilization began and it takes hard work to help people.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Smaller charities tend to do much better in my experience.

    UBI is not charity. UBI is what the nation owes you as a shareholder of USA, Inc.

    Giving people money doesn't teach long term skills that lead to success.

    Exactly. Which is why the children of rich people so often become homeless. All that money they had when they were kids kept them from learning long-term skills that lead to success. It stunted their financial growth, rendering them particularly susceptible to poverty.

    The children of the impoverished, on the other hand, were forced to learn money management skills for their very survival. The superior money management skills of impoverished kids practically guarantee their future success.

    This explains why self-made millionaires are so common, and generational wealth is so difficult to maintain.

    Right? That's how it works in your head, right? The people with easy access to money never learn how to manage it and ultimately squander it, right? The people who have to fight for every dime are the most successful, right?

    Right?

    I also think it would be better to have private organizations that have less bureaucracy.

    Agreed. And an organization doesn't get smaller or privater than a single individual. We can cut out 100% of the bullshit bureaucracy and give it straight to the individual, directly, or their caregiver if they are not qualified to maintain their own affairs. Remove everyone else, as they don't add shareholder value.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Yeah, some of them need assisted living as well. Not all of them, though, and there's a lot of food insecurity among the housed as well.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Yeah, but the crux of it would probably lie in the fact that they've never had money to manage. From what I've seen, everyone mismanages their money. If we had basic income, I would guess 90%+ would eventually get their shit together. 10 people needing food because they can't manage money is better than 100 people needing food because they don't have money.

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  • [–] 51 points 1 year ago

    At the food bank where my mother works, she finds pig farmers are a good source to get rid of almost gone food. While it's not solving the feeding people part, it does help with disposal. Good luck, hopefully you can pickle some of it too.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    If I were in that situation, I would try quickly whipping up some homemade posters and put them at our market square, maybe in front of schools, and in front of grocery stores. I would make sure to specify why these are given away, otherwise people might be suspicious.

    That would probably illegal, but …well… who’s going to sue a food bank over hanging a few posters for 2 days?

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago* (9 children)

    In the US? Where we pour bleach on food that has been discarded to make sure that someone who is hungry can't eat it?

    But yes, this is a great suggestion. Also, looking for a local farm or farms that could feed these to their animals (specifically chickens or pigs).

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Where we pour bleach on food that has been discarded to make sure that someone who is hungry can’t eat it?

    What the fuck? Seriously?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    Yes, grocery stores sometimes do this because they are afraid of being sued by someone who gets salmonella or something from the dumpster.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    This is what they tell the public.

    In reality they just don't want homeless people near their dumpsters.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Yup. Circa 2017, one of my sisters would gather up a bunch of food every week and have a ‘cook out’ at a park near her that was known to have a large homeless population. Basically, they fed anyone who asked for a plate. She did this with a group of friends who I guess were just bored and successful enough to want to feel good about feeding the homeless.

    After a few months, their activities drew the ire of… someone, and they got raided by the cops and local health inspectors. Despite acknowledging the food they were serving was at the proper temp and all food handling protocol was being followed, they took an ‘every possible justification’ approach to the situation that they could and insinuated everything from unknown, dirty kitchens to lack of a catering license, with severe future legal threats if they were to continue feeding the homeless. The officials then poured bleach into the food and dumped it into the trash.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I'm one of the returns clerks in a Costco. First thing we do every morning is process stuff to send the food bank. It irks me how much stuff we aren't allowed to send because the manufacturer won't allow it. Even despite that we send a lot every day. Everything that does spoil at the food bank goes to a local pig farm, who donates pig products back to the food bank whenever he can.

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  • [–] [S] 13 points 1 year ago

    We are trying to find one place that will consistently take our spoilage.

    We get a lot of expired stuff from Walmart and the grocery store in town. But Walmart takes forever to get it to us. Usually when we get it, it is a week expired. Where the grocery store we get it a day or two before it actually expires.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It irks me how much stuff we aren't allowed to send because the manufacturer won't allow it.

    Name and shame. This is such bullshit. I'm sure it's some to protect brand value, but IMO you earn more value through kindness and generosity.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Well, all the Nestle stuff gets sent back to them. Pretty much all the big name cereal outfits have orders that damaged products are to be sent to a salvage company.

    Happily most cheese and sliced meats can be donated, plus we generally send 8-10 shopping carts of baked goods and produce directly from us to them every day

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago

    I take it the most pressing issue right now is cooling. If that is right, you might have yet another avenue to explore: Ask facilities with cooling needs if you can store one or two pallets there. I’m thinking schools, (yet again) restaurants, ice cream parlors, ice skating rinks (not sure how they work exactly – is the whole building cooled or just the rink itself?), butchers. You could ask an outdoor gear shop (I mean a place where skis and winter jackets etc. are sold) if they know of a place where one can test jackets. They might know a cool place, too.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago*

    I wonder if your food bank can set up some kind of relationship with farms in your region. Those farms may be open to taking lots of spoiled produce as animal feed and compost material. In exchange they might share their crops with you.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    I am working at an Amazon company's warehouse that specifically stores food items.

    The amount of shit we throw in trash just because "packaging is slightly off" makes me angry and just one day of bad management spoils enough food to feed entire family.

    There is no air conditioning or fridge. It's summer in Texas so if we delay a single day, half the items go bad. There are dairy products here. (And people in border of heatstroke but that's another topic.)

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That's fucking crazy and frankly also what I expected/why I would never order perishables from Amazon. Of fucking course they neither store it properly nor even keep the facility cool.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Amazon perishables are mostly whole foods. The UNFI cyberattack is going to cause likely hundreds of tons of spoiled product nationwide as they have no idea where to ship anything, and the production line doesn't just stop having fresh product to process.

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