I have donated in the past, but then there were wild accusations, people saying it's not needed, it's to fund other things, and so on and so forth.

Yesterday I got the popup begging for a couple of euros, so what's the status? Should I donate or is it a waste of time and money?

Cheers

Edit: Thanks for all the insightful posts! I'm jobless at the moment so just ten bucks this time:

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[–] 173 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Remember that there is a lot of anti-Wikipedia propaganda going around these days. Most "outrage" against Wikipedia is created and pushed artificially.

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  • [–] 72 points 1 year ago

    If Elon doesn’t like it then you know Wikipedia is good.

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  • [–] 65 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Wikipedia, being a free source of information, is an incredibly important resource and a net good for humanity. But since Wikipedia is free for all they rely on donations to keep the lights on.

    There are groups who would prefer it if that free access to information did not exist, or could be more easily be controlled and/or manipulated. It is in their interest to convince people not to donate to Wikipedia

    I'm convinced that this "don't donate to Wikipedia" messaging that has cropped up in recent years is a psyop, set up by these groups with the goal to starve Wikipedia of income.

    Don't fall for it. Support one of the last truly good places on the internet.

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  • [–] 87 points 1 year ago

    In the current day and age of misinformation I think donating is more important than ever. It doesn't need to be much.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago

    I give small monthly donations to three things:

    • Wikipedia
    • EFF
    • Internet Archive
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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago

    I give through my employer which matches donations. You should look into whether that's available since it'll double the amount.

    Decentralized truth is essential to human freedom. It's not enough to just run wikipedia as a bare bones site, they need to be able to adapt to the times and maybe even fund new projects with the same goals. For people who actually care about the future, it's hard to think of a better use of the money.

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  • [–] 71 points 1 year ago

    I’ve increased the amount I donate since the campaign to discredit them has been in effect.

    Maybe they aren’t perfect, but I don’t like the idea of a world without such a wonderful resource being freely available to everyone no matter their background or financial status.

    I used it a lot as a student but couldn’t afford to donate then. I don’t use it directly a lot these days, but I’m sure indirectly it contributes to articles I read, & I can afford to donate now, so I try to pay it back & some.

    Information is power, & those in/with power seem to currently be trying their best to bring everyone else down. Any small thing I can do to help prevent that is a win in my book.

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    Your analysis only addresses the income vs. expenditure being relatively balanced. It doesn’t address the criticisms OP was hearing about. The primary criticism is that the foundation only needs a fraction of their current expenditure if all they did was run Wikipedia.

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  • [–] 82 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Reddit users and now lemmy users seem to have a riotous distaste for non-profits generally.

    Wikipedia is one of the last, good parts of the internet, and it's under increasing threat.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Nope

    Wikimedia the tool is great, the foundation behind it, not so much

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    mind giving us some reasons for this position? not a critique, genuinely curious

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Thanks for asking! The subject has been coming up for quite some time. I might edit this comment with more sources later on, because I’ve learned about this a few years ago and don’t keep a full list of my sources on me.

    I have a few reasons for this:

    1. The Wikimedia Foundation (the entity that receives your donations) only uses a really small fraction of your donations for the Wikipedia and Wikimedia projects. The rest goes into various non-essential spendings. [1]
    2. They're not efficient about spendings. Each year they receive more, and each year they spend more, way more than they should compared to Wikipedia's growth.
    3. The WMF doesn’t really do much on Wikipedia. All the writing and nearly all the moderation is done by volunteers.
    4. They block anonymous proxies, VPNs, Tor exit nodes from editing, even if you create an account. No exceptions for regular people.

    [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=1123763881#RfC_on_the_banners_for_the_December_2022_fundraising_campaign

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  • [–] 78 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Wikipedia is being actively attacked by fascists who dont want it to exist or be well maintained. More important than ever. Criticism can be safely ignored.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    "Fascists criticize Wikipedia, therefore all criticism is done by fascists"

    I criticize them and I do not share the ideas you’re saying I do.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    I'm also curious about this. If there are any transparency reports, I'd love to read through that.

    The Wikimedia Foundation are trying to implement some AI solutions (for helping humans, not write articles/information), which is likely quite costly, unless someone donates it. However, I imagine many others' scrapers for AI are constantly demanding a lot from the Wikipedia servers since some years ago, probably resulting in increased costs. Hopefully the AI builders use a local copy of the torrent instead, but I fear they don't...

    I'm still happily donating though, as I think the Wikipedia Foundation are still doing a solid job, despite me not always agreeing with their decisions.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago*

    Always fund Wikipedia if you have the ability to

    It may not need a donation at any given time, but given how volatile things are in the USA right now, there's every chance they might find themselves needing to suddenly spend a lot on lawyers

    It's arguably one of the most important resources we have as humanity. It's imperative we protect it.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I do not have the means to donate to things that I care about. Most weeks, the difference between overdrafting my bank account or not is literally a few cents. I donate the $3.10 every time the pop up shows up on Wikipedia. I'm sure there are other organizations that need the money more, but I think Wikipedia is SO important, and so far has remained earnest in their behavior. Proud of you for donating what you could, glad I could help a little bit too.

    Be well, friend

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 1 year ago

    Hey, I remember a time when if I lost a 5€ bill, that meant I'd eat for 5 euros less that month.

    We've got your back, take care of yourself and consider donating when you've come around and can do it without second thoughts.

    Cheers and hang in there, it's worth it!

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If the only non-profit you care about is the Wikimedia Foundation, then yeah donate.
    But otherwise, go donate to other non-profits as Wikimedia is the least needy of the foundations (they are one of the most "well off" of the non-profits in the world afterall

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    I simultaneously believe that Wikipedia is valuable and that it's not clear that WMF needed $185 million dollars.

    As far as I can tell the situation has not significantly changed since "the last time(s)" this was discussed. Wikipedia remains a valuable resource, and WMF continues to aggressively increase both spending and fundraising revenue. Whether you think that means you should donate or not is probably the same answer as it was several years ago for most individuals based on personal preferences.

    edit: typo

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I think the answer has changed a bit since they got a much better CEO who’s doing a lot more communication and engagement with the community, which dictates what Wikipedia looks like

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago*

    Before posting I read the recent annual reports which she advertises having a hand in as part a push for greater transparency, but was still left very unsatisfied personally (half the budget -- over $90 mil -- just hand-waved away as "infrastructure" spending? Really?). So despite being an improvement, I didn't feel that the CEO change has had much effect on the scales of "donate vs not". Perhaps for others it might, but my comment still reflects my best judgement.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Usually its the far right or tankies that hate wikipedia, it seems pretty neutral for the most part.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I was hearing that Wikipedia makes more than enough money from things outside of donations that it seems scammy to ask for donations the way they do from leftists before Trump's first term.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I was hearing that Wikipedia makes more than enough money from things outside of donations

    dumb question but how does wikipedia make money outside donations? is there merch somewhere?

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago

    I give them a little every year, and do not consider it a waste at all. I give $ each month to the community radio station with local news on it too.

    Those free nonprofit media companies are important. They are the voice of the people.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    I find it valuable and worth supporting, so I donate a dollar a month. It’s not much, but I want to contribute (monetarily, in addition to editing)

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    Do you use it?

    Donate. I donate $5/mo. Gonna bump it up to $10/month soon.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm another monthly donor. I use Wikipedia nearly every day and appreciate the effort that goes into maintaining it.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    Making a monthly contribution. Who knows where the money goes but I've never heard of a wiki project I disapproved of and there is a lot to like about what they do.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don't know if they "needed" donations in the past, but the America right wing fascists have just taken aim at it. So they are going to need money to defend themselves.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Lets say they are being very stupid in how they handle their money. They spend as much as they get every year. If they get more money, they spend more money. From the graph you can see that donation growth is slowing down, because of course it does, it cant just grow forever. The questions is whether they can lower their expenses when the donations inevitably shrink, or if they will sacrifice Wikipedia (the thing that people actually donate for) in favor of all the other things they are spending money on.

    A completely different perspective on this is that you should ask yourself whether the Wikimedia Foundation really is the organization/charity that needs your money the most. Or more bluntly, i am 100% certain that there are better things to donate to than the Wikimedia Foundation.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Fundraising_statistics
    Black: Net assets / Green: Revenue (Donations) / Red: Expenses

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    And? How is this answering the question?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I don't know why you're being downvoted, it doesn't.

    This doesn't say if wikimedia foundation is using it's money well, just that it is using its money (which is sorta what a non-profit has to do).

    Also, if we boil all donations down to "who needs it most" then most non-profits and charities wouldn't exist.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    It's good to see Fediverse people actually supporting paying for something. Sometimes I think they want everything for free.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    It's not that I want everything for free, it's that I want money to no longer be a factor in life. Like in The Orville.

    (Star Trek too, I assume, but I'm not a Trekkie so I can't confirm whether or not money exists in that universe.)

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I love Wikipedia and have donated a lot of time and money, but damn is their foundation wasteful

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    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Guy_Macon/Wikipedia_has_Cancer

    This fails to convey how painfully tedious the communication is between the foundation and the community. At this point it feels like the tension between high executives and an union, with the executives having the deep conviction that they are good and that the union will magically recognize it, if only they could perpetually delay every one of their demands.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I'm not giving money to Wikipedia anymore until they move out of the United States personally.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I was giving Wikipedia 5 bux occasionally and stopped.

    I decided the same for archive.org. I'm amazed they got an extension at all under the Orange but I seriously doubt they're long for this world and it's probably not realistic they even could move unlike Wikipedia.

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