I would be okay with a ban on AI generated content.

At the very least, I request a disclosure on any AI content.

So like, if you make a little RPG yourself and used some AI tool to make the art, you are required to disclose that. Likewise, if the flavor text for some of your game came from an AI, would-be consumers should be alerted. Heck, if it was used in the editing phase put that in the ai disclosure blurb.

Ban GenAI.

As RPG enjoyers, we have an obligation to support smaller creators that ensure the hobby isn't just DnD.

Thanks everyone for your feedback. I get that this is a contentious issue, and I appreciate everyone being nice to eachother (and me) while discussing it. (Those of you that didn't, you know who you are)

Based on the upvoted comments and the arguments that I found most cogent, I will be banning generative AI in the community.

A few related issues were raised, and I'd like to explain how I intend to address them:

https://ttrpg.network/post/26260249/17201676 Rhaedus raised concerns about the difficulty in determining if something is AI generated or not. As with all rule enforcement on this site, I'll be relying on you all to report suspected violations, and I promise I'll give you my best-effort attempt to make a fair judgement.

https://ttrpg.network/post/26260249/17206513 Carl and others raised concerns that this might impact posts predominantly about human-created content that have some trivial or incidental amount of AI generated comment. In such a situation, if the use of Gen AI is really that minimal, it would never come to my attention in the first place, and therefore wouldn't get removed anyway.

Several users advocated for an explicit carve out for discussions about the use of AI, which is a good idea and will be included in the rule.

Thank you again for your input and your civility.

Ban that shit!

I don't see much value in providing storage and bandwidth for things that people didn't put enough of themselves into to bother lifting a pencil. There are enough boosters for that sort of thing out there already that they can do the job of supporting them with material resources.

@sirblastalotProbably calls for an exception for specifically discussing when a large company (mis)uses "AI", so as not to silence outcry against it.Concerning those advocating that people "just downvote it"... 1) not everyone who participates in this community does so through a system that allows downvotes (Mastodon doesn't), and 2) IME, people who post "AI" content willy-nilly tend to be so bad at people that they don't understand when they're being told off, even directly.

I personally think it is a good idea. I know I posted about AI in a game I am running, but I was looking for human input about AI behavior to transfer into a game. I am doing my best create the AI manually and with no actual use of AI (a task far harder than I anticipated).

I see nothing of value that AI could add to this industry, and thus this community.

I support a ban on genAI content.

Yes, always

I think in general it's a good idea for all AI generated content to be categorically separate from their authentic counterparts. I don't participate in this community.

Don't see a problem with it, let the voting system decide if it's popular in the comm

IMO AI isn't bad in itself. It only becomes bad when it gets overused. When someone rolls the statistical dice instead of having something to say. Or to pad three points that would fit into one post, into three posts with a wall of text each

So for now I would not ban it, as the community does not seem to have a problem with AI-generated content
I agree with the other comment proposing that it has to be marked. That way at least the subset that will be adhering to that rule can be measured

And if/when that time comes, I think the rule would have to remember about gray area: if AI-gen would be banned here, would that mean that products that used AI should also be banned?
I mean, for example, I know of some products on DTRPG that have good contents but they used AI for pictures. Most often, because they are just one guy without any budget. Would such ban mean that I shouldn't point someone to that product?

AI is just a tool. if some have a philosophical or moral problem with it then they can abstain.

AI not going away, and its use will only increase. so I'm the long term it will either have to be allowed, or this sub will fade into obsolescence.

I see no value in banning it.

If you ban it. It feeds until the delusion that they're persecuted.

I think the right move is always allowing it, but requiring a tag [ai] so it's obvious.

If people don't like it, they can down vote it. Or block accounts that always post it.

If the people posting it don't want down votes, they can post to one of many explicitly pro-ai coms where mods ban people for down voting.

The only issue may be the ai fans are probably going to build bots to upvote anything tagged as AI. They tend to be weird and really care about votes.

Just be careful with your definition. Here's some things that are "generative AI":

• Speech recognition
• Zillions of AI tools in photo editors (e.g. "remove background" or tools that let you mask subjects). Yes, all generative AI.
• All sorts of title/logo generators.
• Upscaling tools.

Think about the reason why you want to ban generative AI: Is it because it sucks? Or because you have something against training AI models with images posted publicly to the Internet? Is it the environmental impact of data centers?

Be clear in your ban statement as to your reasoning so it doesn't seem arbitrary and capricious.

Drama that deepens prejudice.

People insist it's low-quality. And if it's good, then it's robbing artists. And if you've never commissioned an artist in your life, then it's anti-environmental. And if running it locally barely warmed your video card, then it's theft. And if you'd otherwise borrow images from online... then shut up. Shut up is why it's bad.

I'd understand marking it, because some people still don't recognize it. But when they do they try to un-feel whatever reaction they just had. Oh that clever idea was illustrated by a robot? Then it means nothing, lacks intent, isn't art, fnord fnord etc. The minature version of tearing posters off your wall, insisting you never liked your favorite band.

Folks, the robot that draws anything isn't going anywhere. Make your peace. The software is aggressively available for local use, apparently simple enough that tech-bro douchebags can figure it out, and most damningly, was immediately adopted for pornography. It could at worst be chased underground... but it won't be. You will see people make things with this tech, when they otherwise couldn't, and at some point your distaste has to end.