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And Seven and T'Pol.

I agree. It's what makes sci-fi good, in my opinion. It's a useful tool to look at the failings of humanity, but in a way that subverts people's self-defence mechanisms. For example, racist might agree treating intelligent aliens as animals is bad without thinking about themselves at first. With a tiny amount of reflection, they will realize it also applies to their beliefs. This can work for so many other topics, like DS9 covers the use of terrorism against Fascists using aliens as stand ins for actual groups that have and do exist in our world.

It gets tired though. And it inevitably puts humans on a pedestal as the thing the robot aspires to be, the thing the Vulcan needs to learn to embrace, the thing 7of9 needs to get back to…

I want more filler episodes the same way Magic The Gathering wants bad cards:

The solution to the aforementioned problem leads to the second reason “bad” cards exist. Different cards have different functions and appeal to different players.

We make some cards for the multi-player crowd. We make cards for the flavor crowd. We make cards for the silly crowd. We make the big creatures and spells for "Timmy." We make the combo cards for "Johnny." We take each different group of Magic players and throw some cards their way.

The problem is players tend to define “bad cards” as cards that they personally see no reason to play. But certain cards aren’t meant for them in the first place.

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/making-magic/when-cards-go-bad-2002-01-28

unless its like something like supernatural, every season after 5 was just filler aside from some ok seasons, they stretched out that show for way too long , and it shouldve died like 10years before it was cancelled.

Is this loss?

Sounds a bit like a hack revealing himself. If they’re great, eight episodes every 2 years can absolutely have longevity.

while feeling like Trek ClassicTM

Because there was so, so much memberberries.
I found it mostly somewhar funny, but I don't know if I got half the jokes if I hadn't watched Old Trek so much.

But, no one is mentioning a modern Trek series that did a mix of filler episodes and episodic ones, developed characters, and had full season arcs: Lower Decks

lower decks is 10 episodes per season, what exactly is "full season" in this context?

lower decks/prodigy was so much better than the 3 "live" series.

good filler episodes let you advance backstory of all the characters, which is something you may not have space for in the episodes advancing the main plot, so you do actually care about them.

not like strange new worlds (which i do like), where there is this asian woman pilot on the bridge and after 3 seasons i don't even remember her name. i mean wtf is with that?

One big thing is there are so many more things to watch now that I don’t want to commit to a huge season. I guess I like being a tinder tv slut

Thats the problem with modern trek, that need to be "cinematic". Star Trek doesnt need it, it never did. Some of the best episodes were done on a shoe string budget. Like The Drumhead and Its only a paper moon for example. Its only a paper moon didnt even feature any of the main cast. Thats how good DS9s writing was. Even the side characters got the love from the writers.

24 episodes was standard for Prime Time television unless you were a weird mini series of some sort or absurdly expensive

The damage JJ Abrams caused is immense, and having one of his disciples on the helm doesn't help things.

I mean, I'd take only that one show (on a ship)(or space station) and just that show for 20 episodes .

And the things I would do for a directly post DS9 show are.... unspeakable.

Agreed, this season of SNW felt like they were missing at least 5 episodes of interactions with the baddy. Like it was here is this season's baddy and then 2 episodes and he's dead. I remember when they would meet up with the baddy every few episodes and reveal more of their backstory before killing them.

I think my favorite example is Brooklyn 99, and the Jake/Amy relationship.

First season introduces the idea (but really later on in the season that its apparent it could be more), season 2 is will they won't they until a kiss at the end, season 3 they start a relationship, season 4 finishes with them moving in together, season 5 gets a proposal and the wedding, etc.

They take time developing the relationship as an idea, but they don't do the silly "Oh no, misunderstandings made us break up again!" crap, just a progressing relationship over the course of the series.

oh yea, like worfs/jadzia too like many seasons to fully develop, roms, obriens,,,etc.

sg1 split thier season 10 in the spring, 10 in the fall, it works. but current streams only doing 6-8episodes, 10 if your lucky. every 1-2years. even people are getting tired of shows like invincible, with such a LONG hiatus,not to mention the degrading animations.

To be fair, whilst modern TV shows are shorter - there's more of them compared to shows in the 90s and 00s.

Enshitification of Trek has already been here for a decade.

It doesn't all happen at once, but in the last decade there's been six new Trek shows and one and half of them have been decent.

Yeah, I am very worried about Trek (and Avatar).

Are Trekkies not in a panic over this? I guess Ellison isn’t super famous, and a lot of criticism is probably censored/deranked, but still.

it happened after jj abrams, kurtzman ruined the franchise with his dislike of the franchise(i dont he actually want to be showrunner). In his own words he doesnt care about the continuity.

there was like a 5-6 year drought after enterprise ended. oh yea right wingers bought P+, it wont go well when they demand certain"unsavory elements" be removed from trek.

My god, your mind.

Thank you. Saved me a click

Ugh. Thank you for saving me the brain space.