In a video statement, Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu called the growing MAGA conspiracy a ‘monstrous big lie.’

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[–] 258 points 1 year ago (21 children)

What an odd thing to formally state.

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  • [–] 136 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I feel like I would suspect them less if they hadn't said anything. Most of Israel's formal statements regarding allegations of Israeli violence are lies, so what would make this statement different?

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  • [–] 44 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    Eh, there was "evidence" (a third-party tweet) that Kirk was worried about being killed by Israel shortly before his death.

    It's not like this came out of nowhere.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    He was a raging antisemite. Of course a raging antiemetic whack job would be concerned about them killing him.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Wait, antisemite definition one 'hates Jews' or antisemite definition two 'thinks Palestinians are people'? Definition one has nothing to fear.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    The original, actual, sense.

    He’s a white supremacist. He hated anyone who isn’t white. He’s said some pretty horrific things about Jews, even if he’s nominally okay with an Israeli state (because fascists of a feather…)

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Right; they love people who hate Jews. Why the fuck would they kill him?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    I dunno.

    They didn't ask me if they should.

    (and the only- and I mean only- reason I'd be inclined to say they did kill Kirk was because they just let everyone know they most certainly did not kill him.)

    There's a funny babylon 5 clip here. the backstory is that her boss, Captain Sheridan, asked her to slip in that nothing happened in sector 83x9x12. She balked saying that her thing not being propaganda. She gives in, because in point of fact nothing happened, at all. He also did other things like having a fleet of ships move around and shoot random rocks in quiet spaces... all because he was trying to get a cantankerous group of allied worlds (ironically named, "league of non-allied worlds"...) to sign a thing bringing them into a more formal alliance. These worlds saw the whites stars shooting at the rocks, saw the announcement, and were like "White stars don't shoot at nothing! there must be an enemy we can't see!" (and then handed him everything he wanted.)

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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    According to Charlie Kirk? Nope.

    For white supremacists it’s not really about skin color (well, some might actually be that stupid,) but rather about culture, and their culture being “special”

    Keep in mind, 19th century people saw them as a distinct race, and Kirk’s views (as well as, for example hitler’s) stem from that.

    To be clear, Kirk and his ilk are assholes with a very backwards view of the world.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Definitely 1. Is position over Israel and Palestine seems to have been all over the place. There are videos of him saying Netanyahu is lying about Gaza, and he we was firmly against Israel's attack on Iran, but then he would also say absurd stuff like there's no starvation in Gaza.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Okay. So he was anti-zionist-state but pro genocide?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    He positioned himself as a zionist but also said disturbing antisemitic crap all the time. From the few videos I watched his positions seemed to be similar to the israeli hostage families' groups but he sprinkled some actual antisemitic tropes when criticising the Israeli government.

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  • [–] 104 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I didn't suspect they had any involvement before, but now I have some doubts... 🤔

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  • [–] 47 points 1 year ago

    Charles himself said about 6 months ago that he was worried Israel would try to harm him because about a year ago he stopped supporting them over the genocide, so this isn't out of absolutely nowhere. My guess is that it was just a dogwhistle.

    The fact that Israel is actually saying it, however? Like... Aight. If they said nothing I would have continued to disregard it, but Israel's statements are around the same credibility level as Russia's, so I kind of have to give credence to the possibility that the exact opposite of what they say is true...

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  • [–] 77 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I think this means we're at the stage where he's decided it makes more sense to list off all the crimes he's not doing.

    List complete.

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  • [–] 72 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    I had zero reasons to suspect Israel in this, but now there is one

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

    I hope that people aren't really taking this too seriously as a reason to suspect Israel. There was a LOT of chatter saying that they killed him, by the Nazis of course. A dominant narrative on /pol/ is basically that Kirk got in bed with the Jews and now he's paid the price for trusting them.

    From the standpoint of your average left-leaning person, Israel making a statement like this seems completely out of the blue and makes them look really guilty. But there's a whole demographic of people who really think that they did it. I don't think it's too unreasonable that they would make a statement about it. And let me be clear. I absolutely hate Israel with all my heart. But there are plenty of events in this world that they are not responsible for.

    More importantly, this seems dangerously close to reasoning like: "You wouldn't defend yourself against these accusations unless they were actually true!" Which is definitely not a good bar to set.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    A dominant narrative on /pol/ is basically that Kirk got in bed with the Jews and now he's paid the price for trusting them.

    Do things ever go any other way over there? 🙄

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    He did get in bed with them (verifiable TPUSA funding money), as most extreme-right do.
    Problem is he turned on them recent months speaking out against their influence over the US and even the genocide.
    That's a no no, they didn't take it well and were pretty pissed.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    There's a separate conspiracy mostly on Instagram that asserts he was wearing a titanium breastplate and the shooting was meant to be staged like Trump's, but the bullet accidentally ricocheted off the breastplate.

    I doubt it tbh but who knows. We have extremely unreliable evidence, eg the text messages that seem manufacturered.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I hope people in general don't take anything Benjamin Netanyahu takes seriously, whether it's to immediately believe him or to immediately disbelieve him.

    The man is a prick, every word he says is the kind of politically sensitive thing that's literally always reported with some bias, and more importantly, politicians don't make statements because they are committed to keeping random citizens half way around the world informed of the entire truth.

    That's not their job. Even your own politicians are not newsreaders or your personal oracles, they speak to the public in order to fulfil their duties moving the country in a particular direction.

    So yes, obviously, if a politician says 'yo this thing is now illegal so don't do it', probably take it seriously. Don't fall into the trap of thinking cynicism is any wiser than credulousness, it isn't.

    But also don't seriously assume you've uncovered state secrets because Benjamin Bloody Netanyahu made a pubic statement that you, personally, have seen the truth behind. That's flat out deranged.

    With the disclaimer - yeah no, I also did the whole 'weirdly specific denials are rarely as reassuring as one might think' because let's be honest, the world is a shit show and politics is a burning circus and it's nice to laugh at a foreign weirdo leader now and again as a nice little break from weeping at my own.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I was aware of the theory. It's sketchy though that they feel the need to say they did something that should be obvious they didn't. Unless they know they are guilty and feel the need to defend them selves.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I suppose. But if hundreds of people started accusing you of being a secret space alien, you might one day feel the urge to say "listen everyone, I am not an alien, I am a human". It's pretty messed up if people hear you say that and go "hmmm exactly what an alien would say tbh"

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    [–] 61 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Makes sense, they're reaching the point where it's more efficient to list the people they haven't killed.

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  • [–] 47 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Somehow this makes me suspicious when previously I had no thoughts on it lmao

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  • [–] 44 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Fingers crossed for the Streisand effect.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Confirmed: When I read this headline I thought "uhhh kinda weird; who asked?"

    Qanon. Of course Qanon asked.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Even a broken clock is right twice a day. The murder of Charlie Kirk continues to benefit some of the most powerful individuals and banks with ties to Epstein.

    The Senate called for this investigation hours before he was killed

    So if anybody was paying attention to that right now instead of the threats of civil war, that would mean that people would be looking at the relationship between Epstein and individuals like Netenyahu, Sultan Ahmed bin Sulayem, Bill Gates, Elon Musk, and Peter Thiel, as well as the banks that helped fund them like JP Morgan, BNY, Bank of America and Deutsche Bank.

    Or at least, people would be noticing the Republicans have voted 3 separate times to block this investigation starting on the day Kirk was killed.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago

    What an oddly specific denial...

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Incidentally, why don't we all play with the same truthiness ruleset?

    Benjamin Netanyahu ordered the hit on Charlie Kirk.

    We know with certainty that Donald Trump did not order the hit, as he'd be bragging about it.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago

    I guess he draws the line at innocent, hungry children. What a saint

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I didn't think they had anything to do with it until this.

    Netanyahu made a couple of social media posts about it when it happened, but there's now not really another sensible reason why the PM of a random country cares about an American podcaster so much.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I can't tell if you're being serious or not

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The more the Netanyahu reacts to this the more he shows where his head is at.

    The PM of a different country is placing a lot of importance on what was before, just seen as an American podcaster by the mainstream.

    This coupled with his "if I go down the global right goes down with me" post he made last week just makes it even more sus IMO

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  • [–] 47 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The "I didn't kill Charlie Kirk" shirt has a lot of people asking questions which are answered by the shirt.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago

    Holy shit, they killed Charlie Kirk??!

    I never even considered Israel could be responsible. Very nice of Netanyahu to clear that up.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago

    "Because charlie kirk was an adult"

    -bibi Netanyahu probably

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    What an odd thing to say...

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    What an odd thing to say.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago

    Israel killed Charlie Kirk.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    This is going to make the conspiracy nuts latch on even harder. You just Streisanded yourself, dumbass.

    ps: The American right wing hates Jews almost as much as they hate Muslims.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    I'm not right wing, I'm not antisemitic, and I never liked Charlie Kirk.

    Still think there's a good chance Netenyahu was involved in his death. I don't believe he acted alone though. Hours before he was killed the house and the Senate tried to investigate connections between Epstein, big banks like JP Morgan, Netenyahu, Elon Musk, and others. Republicans in the House and Senate blocked it and barely anyone noticed bc suddenly Charlie Kirk was assassinated and a bizarre series of incidents allowed the killer to get away.

    Trump immediately began calling for war on the left and Elon Musk suddenly went on his white supremacy world tour.

    The investigation into the suspect has been botched as fuck, and they claim that they had a note he wrote confessing to the murder but it was destroyed.

    The House voted again yesterday and again Republicans blocked a subpoena of big banks involved in this connection. And once again barely anybody noticed bc the Trump admin is still distracting with war on the left avenging Charlie Kirk's murder (which they most likely helped carry out).

    Kirk was rumored to have refused to accept money from Israel, but he also had been one of the few right wing propaganda outlets who backtracked after making the statement that he wouldn't talk about Epstein. He made the statement then after backlash from his fans he said he would keep covering it.

    There were several powerful individuals that would have been very angry at him and also needed a big distraction right around the time he was assassinated. The question is who actually gave the order for the go ahead? Who orchestrated it and who sent who to carry it out?

    P.s.: I love Jews and I love Muslims. I hate corrupt governments and individuals that use entire groups of humans as a scapegoat to distract from their own evil bullshit. We used to call people that did that Nazis.

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  • Who orchestrated it and who sent who to carry it out?

    And was it a lucky coincidence? Were witches involved to spell the assassination out in scary-looking sticks?

    You know that some people distantly benefiting from something doesn't mean that they orchestrated it, right?

    Trump immediately began calling for war on the left

    Yeah, because the right knows not to waste a tragedy.

    But also, they were already doing that. They've been calling for war on the left, like, since before Trump took the presidency again. Kirk has barely upped the temperature from the insane shit they were saying a month ago.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    As Netanyahu's open love for Charlie Kirk shows, Christofascim exists to direct hate towards Muslims. Replacement theory is about not letting Judeo-Christian "foundation of America" (1776, really?) get diluted by muslims and other ethnicities hatred of supremacists by their declaration of war in producing non-conforming future voters.

    Anti semitism is the greatest tool for Zionist supremacist hate groups, like the ADL or Bill Ackman, to get a pretense for media airtime in which to advocate for genocide.

    Proud boys members came to CA University protests in order to bash anti-genocide protestors. Hatred that is more focused on muslims than jews is the goal of Zionist supremacism, and the hatred of Jews, extremely useful to convincing simpletons that victimhood deserves their supremacism.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    well coming from such a genuine stand up kind of guy who never does evil things. no sir. yeah I can totally trust this is true.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Every time he tells a lie, his ears grow slightly.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    damn, i didn't think they did until they said they didn't. one thing i know is that they can't tell the truth

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  • [–] 57 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    That's true they don't kill nazis; Israeli snipers only shoot babies in the skulls and eyes:

    https://m.youtube.com/shorts/S_p63wypjSc

    https://m.youtube.com/shorts/z_CDsj6C7hM

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  • [+] -9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    If you linked to an article from a reputable source, I'd give you an upvote

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    This sounds exactly what someone who did kill Charlie Kirk would say. /s

    Real talk y'all, I didn't even really think to entertain that conspiracy until this.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Nothing strange here.

    It's just like the formal declaration we all made as individuals, to deflect suspicion from ourselves.

    Totally normal.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Not sure why Israel would do that...not smart enough to come with a creative reason...but, damn, I'm a little suspicious now

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    we're at the point where NothingYahWho has to list who he didn't kill last week.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    People, i know his goons gun down children in Gaza on the regular, but if you read the article it explains that several maggats have been accusing him of having a grudge against Kirk for his recent opposition to the aforementioned gunning down of children.

    TLDR: He's not saying it out of the blue. People have been accusing him

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    So….? They did?

    Well we know it wasn’t Russia since no windows were involved.

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