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[–] 14 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

In short, what we know about Tyler Robinson so far:

  • He’s not affiliated with any political party
  • He is pro gun
  • He has a trans roommate, who by some accounts he was romantically involved with
  • He is allegedly bisexual
  • The carvings on his bullets are memes and video game references, not a political manifesto

In short, the guy likely has a mixture of conservative and liberal views.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The final point is the part that's still being debated I think. The memes are definitely groyper memes, and this article seems to confirm that he was a big player of Helldivers 2, which groypers like to use as a sort-of digital Nazi bar.

    The big thing is just that he's definitely not a leftist, which is of course a huge sigh of relief, but there's still the very real chance that this was an act of far-right on far-right violence.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The big thing is just that he's definitely not a leftist, which is of course a huge sigh of relief, but there's still the very real chance that this was an act of far-right on far-right violence.

    In the end, it really doesn't matter.

    Promote a field of political violence, and then you can play both sides.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    what do you mean by this, exactly? are you trying to sarcastically echo the Trump admin?

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    They're saying fascists play a game of asymmetrical violence. They are violent, full stop. Any violence in the face of their violence, will never stop or slow their violence. Or even cause them to think. They will use every possible excuse to simply crank up the violence on whomever they want. Even if they had nothing to do with the violence.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The apparent apolitical nature of the alleged shooter would be very inconvenient for the administration if they cared about the truth at all. Unfortunately, they just put out some bullshit, their base eats it up, and now they're foaming at the mouth to go after anyone to the left of Rush Limbaugh. Real fun times we're living in.

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    [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Amazing little bit of journalism here, mad props to Ken for doing the important work.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    He's sounding more and more like a kind of normal guy who more so went postal than had a hard political agenda

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  • 34 comments in c/progressivepolitics@lemmy.world view that post
    [–] 34 points 1 year ago

    Yeah, this Tyler Robinson guy, from these messages comes off as a "kinda normal Gen Z kid" to me. Trying to assign a political alignment to any of those messages seems like a huge stretch. Facts never get in the way of a rightwing narrative though.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    Regardless they will form their own narrative. They will use this to put down the trans minority. Facist always have to have an enemy within. Illegals are in process. Now they moved on to trans folk. Who is next?

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    Guy seems pretty uh..

    Pretty apolitical? Like the extent of his political commentary is a basic discussion on the function of the electoral college?

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  • [–] 53 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    “Regardless of the horrible actions that took place we must take this moment to remember that God is a living and loving God who loves all his children,” a Discord post from another friend posted the day after the shooting reads. “While Charlie Kirk's politics were not acceptable to some l ask that we all say a prayer for him and his family during these confusing times.”

    “The last message is religious in nature which just goes to show the apolitical nature of the server, we all have pretty differing views on politics,” the friend said of the discord post.

    Religion is not apolitical im afraid. Praying for Nazis is not apolitical either.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    True, but apolitical is also used as a euphemism for centrist or right-wing by the neoliberal media outlets. This euphemism is very misleading as ignorant 'independent' people hide behind it to mask the actual harm their views will cause. People like Manchin for example aren't apolitical or centrist. They are right-wing with a more presentable public persona.

    Manchin and other politicians like him are essentially the fall guys for when the party doesn't actually want a bill or action to pass. Manchin, for example, voted against confirming a new member of the national labor relations board in the last days of Biden's term. He in effect sided against workers by refusing to appoint a new member to the board to uphold workers rights.

    This made it easier for Trump to come along and further gut the board that is responsible for enforcing workers rights. You also get the same thing occasionally with 'libertarians' on dating apps who are also usually right-wing putting on a more respectable persona.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    To be fair I think they were using apolitical more to say that what is conventionally politics was not discussed much there and that they set aside said differences, with that post as evidence that there are different people of viewpoints and politics in the server, not that that message was apolitical, the fact that it was political but to the other side was the point

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Well shit, even more muddled

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    The picture was pretty unclear from the get go, so i was sceptical to believe anyones side of the story. This could totally be fake too and we will probably never know, because law enforcement can not be believed at all.

    Personally i dont see why people on the left wanted to push the shooter into the right wing so much, because if he killed Kirk for being a nazi then whats the problem? Trump and Patel would have blamed the left either way so just own that shit already. Why do people hype Luigi but not this guy?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I think seeing the actual video of the shooting up close means people are forced to accept it as real in a way that text or pictures do not force. I would also say people are in general more familiar with Kirk as a celebrity than a random healthcare CEO. Even though Kirk was a CEO too, who caused real harm, he was a lot less influential in economic terms. Perhaps it points to people caring about protecting their mental model of the world than seeing the reality of the situation.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    About as politically coherent as Luigi.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    We've seen it in a lot of cases of stochastic terrorism. People end up attacking a symbol that causes them distress. It can be a post office, a school, a politician, or a gay nightclub.

    The problem for conservatives now is that acceptable targets have changed to senior executives and conservative commentators. What used to either be an acceptable loss or a tool of fear is now a potential existential threat that they can't quite get back control of.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    No way will Robinson be seen in court. Very high chance he will get suicided for the sake of the agenda.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    This is a pretty big mess. The only thing I can this is "Do you think he just wanted to be famous?"

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don’t get that impression from all the bits and pieces, and especially not from this breakdown. I think he’s rather intelligent (probably the smartest guy in the room most of his life considering the demographics he was surrounded by) and he really thought he was going to get away with it.

    Which if he hadn’t have cracked emotionally, been turned in by his own parents, and his lover wasn’t squealing like a pig, he might have. People really underestimate how incompetent cops are (although he arguably did a ton of dumb things like use his own vehicle, use a unique family heirloom rifle, etc.)

    I don’t condone what he did, I just am appalled by the absolute lack of loyalty from the people surrounding him. Just horrid…Now he gets to live long enough to watch everyone he trusted throw him to the wolves to be torn to shreds and humiliated on a global stage. Which many will agree that in itself is justice served, having that knife in the back and twisted. Good social lesson for society. Loyalty to State and fear of authority above all else.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    From what I've seen the thing that actually got him was telling his parents which then spread down the line to a pastor or smthn who was a mandated reporter. Honestly if it had just stayed on discord he might have been fine, but hard to know

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)
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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    I just found this in the comments under the linked blogpost. https://substack.com/@volodzko/note/c-156688899

    Seems fishy at best, completely made up at worst.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    How certain can we be that these messages aren't fake?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Ken klippenstein is generally a pretty good source for such things, but it will be hard to know for sure for sure until more people cover it independently

    Edit: tbh after actually reading the article I don't see any particular reason to doubt the the legitimacy

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago
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    [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The phrase inscribed on one of the bullet casings from the shooting — “Hey fascist, catch!” — though widely reported to mean he was a man of the left, is in fact a reference to the Helldivers 2 game. Three arrows initially believed by federal agents to be a reference to Antifa are also a reference to Helldivers.

    Private Discord messages shared with me by a friend of Robinson’s confirm that Robinson wasn’t some political martyr. A search for posts of Robinson’s containing keywords like “Biden” and “Trump” turned up just one hit each. The Trump post was a passing reference to the 2019 impeachment inquiry. The Biden one came on the day of the 2020 election, where he provided an update to another friend asking about the status of the vote count.

    Context matter... At least to those who aren't ignorant fascist. He was a fucking young gamer, who was bisexual in a conservative household. Confused as fuck and yet, apparently MAGA thinks that means he's a liberal, not a kid still finding himself.

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    Yeah, but i think he has a much weaker defense than Mangione. There are sooo many digital and physical traces, so unless those are all proven to be fake, he is done for.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Still innocent until convicted in a court of law. You can "yeah but" all the way to presuming every accused person is guilty.

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  • It doesn't matter Republicans are just going to get more unhinged. Then nothing material will happen to prevent a tragedy like this from happening again.

    Conservatives will bark and bark but the tragedy is rube will just get more hate in thier heart while farms go into bankruptcy and people will get evicted from their homes.

    The 1% the government wants you to hate is the trans community. But the real 1% ruining America is the oligarchs.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Interesting but still incomplete just like everything else that has been leaked by everyone looking for justification.

    So this is his friend discord account that shared he shared groups with and not his discord account. Don't know about you but my discord account has groups that my friends aren't a part of ass I figure most others are too.

    Normally of say well finally get the truth once the FBI finishes their investigation but with these incompetent, partisan idiots, I highly doubt we'll get any semblance of the truth.

    Still the interviews with friends certainly paints a better picture of the guy and I do feel kinda bad for him based on his friends description, especially the having to his from his family.

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