Brett Wilkins Jun 16, 2025

Flight-tracking websites showed dozens of Air Force aerial refueling planes departing from military bases in the United States and heading to Europe on Sunday, fueling speculation of direct U.S. involvement in the widening Israeli-Iranian war.

Military-focused news sites reported that around 30 U.S. Air Force KC-135R and KC-46A tankers were identified by flight-tracking software in what The Times of Israelcalled an "unprecedented mass deployment" to Europe.

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[–] 298 points 1 year ago (25 children)

We just want fucking healthcare and affordable housing.

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  • [–] 125 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Sorry, best I can do is 2 trillion more for Boeing, Raytheon, Lockheed Martin and the like. They're desperate man, they haven't had a war for like 12 minutes, they need to be fed.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Lockheed Martin did October 7?

    Basically 9/11 truther style conspiracy nonsense going on here.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    What?

    It was a joke about how we have no money to spend on healthcare for the population, but we always jump to throw endless cash at defense contractors to supply the military...

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Haha... good joke. I didn't see your mention of healthcare in your previous comment.

    It's typical of conspiracy theorists to say "it was just a joke" when called out on their bullshit. You may go back to doing "your own research in the internet" now.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Best the turnip can do is a gold colored overpriced shit phone.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    Not to worry, it's made in china, shipped from china, and then people in detention centers will be forced by ICE to package it for that bonus fascism feel for those that believe it's made in the US and and they're getting a deal on the T-Mobile package that costs almost 2x other providers for the same service.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Don’t worry. You’ll get it if you can be drafted.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    And human rights. Due process. Rule of law and respect the constitution. Less inflation. More progress on our environment. Rebuild some infrastructure. Invest in some technologies of the future rather than the past. Leadership that understands basic economics and actually the art of the deal

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    We just want fucking healthcare and affordable housing.

    Trumps response is to offer army barracks and MREs, in exchange for you becoming cannon fodder in his delusional war games.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You don’t, because almost none of you vote for socialist candidates.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    The media told them Hillary is the most qualified candidate in history only Biden can beat Trump, because he appeals to moderates, where things like free healthcare and not locking immigrants in cages only appeals to far left loonies.

    The average American wants these things, its just we cant risk the Republicans winning so we have to run on the republican platform from 4 years ago.

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  • [–] 134 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    So much for keeping the US out of war..

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  • [–] 108 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I can't believe he'd just... Lie to us like we're a court, Congress or himself or something.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    There has never been a decade in the entire history of the US in which it has not been at war. Come to think of it, there are probably like 10 years total, over 250, where there was not direct military action. I think. Have not recently checked the spreadsheet I keep.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Trump wants to try for an illegal third term and he thinks that being in the middle of a war will help his chances. “Don’t change horses mid-stream” or whatever bullshit.

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  • [–] 61 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    If the shit hits the fan, I want too see every single fucking MAGA voter at a US Army recruiting office signing up for 11 Bravo, Grunt Infantry.

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  • [–] 197 points 1 year ago (25 children)

    God I hate Republicans.

    Trump is absolute garbage on every single scale and stat, but it's the republican voters who got us here. Fuck every republican voter.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Let's not pretend that the Democrats wouldn't also side with Israel

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    Not if the democrats keep electing the same type of candidate. The trouble began when they shoehorned in Hilary, would Bernie have ran in 2016 the world would be a better place.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)
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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Ah ok. Lol, for a moment I thought you might have meant Jessie Ventura

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  • [+] -36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (14 children)

    Hate is not going to get you anywhere.

    Yes some of them voted for him but a bunch of them didn’t.

    Stop being defeatist.. inform yourself.. look at the numbers. Look at the evidence. Get active.

    If you’ve wondered why everything looks like a coup since he got in, perhaps it is because it is one.

    https://lemmy.world/post/31401705

    https://youtu.be/AaKFx5rxdmA

    https://smartelections.us/

    https://electiontruthalliance.org/

    Edit: the upvote/downvote ratio on a comment like this shows how rapidly Lemmy is turning into Reddit. Nobody cares about the data, if you remotely sound like defending the GOP down the chute you go.

    It’s your loss America. I’ll sleep fine as long as we don’t have electronic voting systems here.

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    It's not that we don't agree with you, it's that your kinda acting like a dick. Change your tone and you might get a better reception.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (8 children)

    [you're] kinda acting like a dick

    I really don't see it. I see only advice trying to help them get a healthier point of view. 🤷‍♂️

    Change your tone and you might get a better reception.

    This has literally the same vibe.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

    Edit: didn't realize the response was a different user.

    I'm not trying to convince anyone of something. I'm just telling why you're they are being downvoted, and it's not because of the content of your their post. I'd post differently if I were trying to make a sincere point.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    I'm not the one who made the "dick" comment...

    I'm not trying to convince anyone of something.

    You're saying they should change their tone. 🤷‍♂️ Meh. Whatever you say.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    Apologies, I didn't realize that you weren't the person that I originally responded to.

    I'm not trying to convince them. I don't give a fuck if they change their tone. I was only telling them why the post wasn't well received.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Right, fair enough I guess. I just can't see where exactly the dickishness lies. I don't see a "tone" anywhere.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    As a whole it sounds like a, "you're wrong, educate yourself, there's only one way out of this". I did intentionally say "kinda like a dick", because it wasn't super harsh, just enough off putting.

    The edits were the icing that put everyone else off.

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  • [+] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    Hahaha WHAT? You're a liar for saying I'm a sexist and for saying I said those things in DMs. Post whatever evidence you want, you asshole. I dare you.

    Do you also go around saying men raped you when they didn't?

    God, I was hoping I wouldn't run into people like this here on Lemmy. I thought Lemmy would be different.

    At least it took over a year or two until I ran into one again. That's to Lemmy's credit.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Edit: the upvote/downvote ratio on a comment like this shows how rapidly Lemmy is turning into Reddit. Nobody cares about the data, if you remotely sound like defending the GOP down the chute you go.

    Many people just aren't serious enough to take actions that are material beneficial. We want leftist ideas, but no one wants to form a party or vote for one.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Only idiots are excited about wars.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    US is about to go to war the day before I go down to the states to get an MRI, lovely.

    edit: So idiots are excited about wars, but I'm also an idiot for not being excited about wars? Fair enough then, I can't win.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    USian here who is also getting an MRI tomorrow. Fun coincidence and I wish you well on your alien abduction simulator!

    The fortunate thing for you and me, and the unfortunate thing for humanity as a whole, is that daily life in the US is generally pleasant and undisturbed by brutal overseas military actions.

    That’s a general theme of this place though. The country is massive and geographically isolated/protected while the military is spread all over the world doing shit all the time.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Just got back home from getting my MRI. IT band syndrome in both of my knees, no tears or degeneration. I feel much better after hearing that!

    My knees are both still kind of sore but at least I know why now lol

    I'll start physio and maybe get some better shoes and then hopefully I'll be as good as new.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago (21 children)

    This would have to be the most unpopular war in US history and yet I think everyone Trump has surrounded himself with is telling him to do it.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    This might sound insane but every single wartime president has gotten a huge boost to their approval ratings due to media networks circulating pure propaganda nonstop. Even NPR will start doing positive coverage.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The consent manufacturing machine will rev up like it always does. There's already attempts to get us on board with a the fantasy of a regime change. As though that won't lead to another ISIS or Libya.

    But I really don't think the average liberal boomer is going to fall in line behind Trump like they did Bush. And certainly not anyone younger. Dem leadership is probably already on board though.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don't know if he's serious about regime change in iran. He seems to negotiate from a raft of threats and lies. Hopefully it's all for show but if the war does go down my guess for approval ratings is over 60%. Not quite Bush I or ii numbers due to decline in news consumption.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    I doubt anyone in power is deluded enough to think they can actually reinstate the Shah or something. They probably just want to bomb every piece if infrastructure in Iran and not worry about them for a few decades.

    But regime change absolutely is the fantasy they are trying to sell liberals.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    It also isn't true. LBJs approval rating absolutely tanked because of the Vietnam war.

    Johnson's approval ratings had dropped from 70 percent in mid-1965 to below 40 percent by 1967

    https://millercenter.org/president/lbjohnson/foreign-affairs

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    It was perceived that he was losing the war and lying to the public about the successes that they claimed to have achieved.

    But winning wars, even unjust ones, always gets the president brownie points in the eyes of the public and corporations

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    the exception was covid, there was a huge downturn in recruitments, and they were getting worried. but military propaganda: top gun maverick helped boost numbers up. also the fact that they loosen some restrictions to join the military too. i was in a forum of people joining, during the obama years, and it was getting tougher to join. its mostly due to medical conditions that prevent people from joining.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    It is clear that Israel want this war. And they clearly can't do anything without the US and the UK at least. However, they commited insane genocidal attack in Gaza which might have been part of their plans to provoke a reaction that justify a war against Iran.

    When that didn't work and Trump made a deal with the Houthis in Yemen without their knowledge and was close to a deal with Iran they pulled the plug and basically put the US government under a situation where the have to join their war sooner or later eventhough it is not a good time for the US to do it.

    lets imagine Trump administration just gone. Any other adminstration have a few options:

    • play a defensive rule, which cannot last for long as Iran have the means to a long term missile attacks, and Israel being small and there is a few main cities that can be targeted. Along with cost which will run their budgets down.
    • stop supporting Israel, which will make their allies nation to reach to China or Russia for guarantee protection and the US will lose its defense credibility.
    • forcing a ceasefire, which is impossible and Israel keep violating all their ceasefires. As they would like to the war to happen they will force it through escalation.

    Along with the fact that Israel own the Congress, the Senate, and the US administration based on how many officials visit Israel and publicly endorsed by AIPAC, there are literally no other option.

    The question now is how to make sure it is a popular war, it seems like they were trying to do it by the 6 day mark but couldn't. The US government has two part, Zionist and MAGA supremacist, and the MAGA supremacist don't want to be controlled by Jewish people and it feel as this is what stopping the US from joining now.

    Most likely, they came to the conclusion that they will have to stage a false flag attack on US bases or assets to make it easier for the public to accept this war. This has been publicly stated by AIPAC speakers through out the years before 9/11, where now it feels more like a false flag as Benjamin Netanyahu keep mentioning "New York will be next".

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Vietnam was pretty unpopular tbh.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    But was it in the beginning? I’m not old enough to remember what it was like when it started but clearly there was a lot of propaganda. The unpopularity seemed to manifest over time, as there was no goal and people dying over something most americans didn’t care about.

    Or at least that’s my impression.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    It's not even hard to look this up, or maybe I already have the context having loved the 90s history channel. Vietnam had majority support for the first few years. But it was one of the first conflicts that was widely televised. Americans had never so quickly seen how fucked up war was, so support dropped off quickly. Weapons were also becoming a lot more fucked up during this time as well, adding to the visual horror.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I don't personally know, but as far as I could tell, people in the USA were largely ok with the Vietnam war, until they started to draft people to send to Vietnam who never wanted to be in a military.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I don't know, I'm neither american nor old enough. However, since it was a different time and, as you so brilliantly told, the propaganda machine was at its summum. So there is no way to know how really unpopular things were. However, looking at the civil rights movement and the hippie era that was happening et the same time, we could conclude that it could have been more unpopular.

    Don't forget that the majority of trump voters are in favor of a war, particularly against a country they have seen as an enemy for a very long time - not forgetting the fact that it is also a muslim country, of which they are very biaised against.

    You could say that there are no fundamental differences between the iranian government and the one they are willing to implement on US soil, except the fact that they are both centered around two different religions, however similar might their doctrines be.

    To Trump voters, however, those words don't have any weight as, again, iranians are seen as an enemy of the so-called freedom. That makes this war quite popular by essence.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    I think Trump is attempting to scare Iran into accepting his nuclear deal. The only problem with this tactic is that Iran might not believe him as they know how deeply unpopular the war would be.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    I think Trump is attempting to scare Iran into accepting his nuclear deal.

    Israel wouldn't tolerate any deal though. They want no deal and permanent sanctions on Iran. Besides, we are well past talking about any nuclear deal.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    So what's the game plan, they're going to bomb Iran into submission? That strategy has never worked in the history of warfare. They'd need boots on the ground and direct US involvement. And even then, this didn't work in Afghanistan, nor Iraq.

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  • [–] 68 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Time to waste hundreds of billions defending israel while our infrastructure crumbles and our citizens still go without healthcare.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago

    Gotta keep the Middle East under control so gas prices don't get too high. Americans vote for low gas prices and then pretend to be upset about what needs to be done to keep them low. But y'all will keep voting for low gas prices, so it's all hypocrisy.

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