Not the person you replied to, but maybe jitsi?

https://jitsi.org/e2ee-in-jitsi/

What's broken about them? I just installed the package from the AUR a couple of days ago and it seems to be working fine for me.

There are RPMs as well, but yeah, Proton has terrible Linux support overall.

Not to downplay, not having support for Arch, but neither does Mullvad so its not a proton only thing.

It's working fine in my machine.

IIRC there is are community Flatpaks for most of their apps and they work fine.

Like I have Proton Mail/Calendar, VPN and Pass all installed on my Bluefin workstation

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This makes a lot of sense. I wish I had a better feel for when they would shift focus from product introduction to product improvement again though.

If the prices don't go up, you have a point.

To someone who is/was interested in Proton's email service but not their VPN service this may still be a fair point though imo. I don't think it being a rehashed complaint here automatically invalidates it.

It's old because it shows ignorance of the situation, and vast misunderstanding of how companies are run and things are made.

I'm waiting on a lot of things from Proton, mostly around them hiring more Linux Devs so they can flesh out that platform.

But that being said, they haven't said they aren't doing it, it just isn't happening on the timeline I want. So I'm good. If I'm ever not good with that I can choose to not renew.

Other products and features doesn't take away from my wish list. If they have 500 devs on staff and none of them are Linux experts, then them working on other projects doesn't take anything away from me, it only adds.

That is absolutely true and I've been quite happy with the VPN and email offerings. I spend most of my time in tech literate communities where the call for Linux drive support is loudest and I'm not tied to all the other spaces.

For me the question really becomes if I can save by switching providers or switch to a provider whose path better aligns to where I want to go. Drive is something I've had my eye on for a while as a way to make my subscription more valuable, instead all the 'value add' offerings they promote are not worth anything to me.

Self hosting email is pain.

Less so about the technical piece, but high chance a peer won't fully accept your mail.

Yeah, is great for convenience. I get it that's more important for some people and that's ok. My "lol" was probably uncalled for.

They also just recently banned a journalist after a request from a questionable cyber security company that was being reported on. They ignored and refused to reinstate the account until the story started making the rounds on social media, then made a very poor attempt at ass covering excuses.

They also ratted out environmental activists to a kinda neo-fascist government as if they were christian terrorists.

Agreed. The biggest reason Zoom took off is that folks could join a video chat from any platform simply by opening a link in a browser.