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[–] 219 points 1 year ago (12 children)

If anything good has come of this Israel-Palestine conflict thing, it has been exposing idiots.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago* (9 children)

    Specifically pretend-progressive idiots, for whom progess is great when it's for their approved groups.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    Idk, I never would have learned about all the "nuances" within the far right about this issue if not for what happened to Charlie Kirk. It's not just a pretend-progressive idiot thing. Idiots across the political spectrum have done some very interesting mental gymnastics over this conflict.

    Charlie Kirk made some clearly antisemitic statements during his career, but he also fully supported Israel in this conflict. That is fucking dumb, but also sounds pretty on point considering Trump supports Israel in this conflict, yet refused to admonish his neo nazi supporters who were caught on camera during rallies doing sieg heils before his first term. Or his supports that marched with torches chanting "Jews will not replace us." Not to mention some dude on Ketamine who hopped on stage during his second inauguration to do a few more sieg heils just to really rub it in.

    Apparently the shooter was a fan of Nick Fuentes. Fuentes hated Charlie Kirk bc he believed he was "too moderate" in his far right views. Ok...

    Nick Fuentes is apparently a Holocaust denier and has called for the death of jews in a holy war. He is very upfront and honest about his antisemitism. I guess this makes Fuentes the kind of guy Jerry Seinfeld apparently prefers as opposed to anyone who might otherwise just simply disagree with him about Palestine.

    Nick Fuentes also called Charlie Kirk a hypocrite for claiming to be a Christian while supporting genocide and murder of hundreds of people on a daily basis.

    I can't argue with him on that particular statement. However, it also seems just a bit hypocritical to be an antisemite calling for the death of jews, while claiming to worship a jew who sacrificed himself for the sins of the world, and only asked in return that you love your God as the creator of all things and love your neighbor as yourself.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I always found weird the position some far right people take that

    1. The Nazis didn't genocide the Jews
    2. The Jews should be genocided

    Why bother defending 1 if you believe 2?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Probably bc if you claim 1 didn't really happen, it makes it a lot easier to downplay all the steps that had to happen to reach 2. That way when somebody calls you out for starting down that same road again, you can claim they're trying to make a big deal out of nothing. Once it's just normal for one group to be treated as if they're deserving of less than any other human, nothing is really a big deal.

    It's not like one day there was no genocide, everything was peachy, then suddenly 6 million people were gone. It was a long road that began with normalizing attitudes, then legalizing discrimination, and eventually stripping away an entire group's perceived humanity along with their rights.

    I know some people claim they believe empathy is a made up new age concept, but it's actually a tool humans have relied on for millions of years, even before they had a name for it. It's that part of you that says this feels wrong. That feeling should drive you to act, or at least say something because you can recognize how it would feel if it was happening to me instead of them.

    It's can be ignored, but it's what's supposed to keep this from happening over and over again, unless individuals within a broader dominant group are allowed to normalize the idea that we're us and that other group is them, so just ignore that feeling. Eventually this normalizes the narrative they are a danger to us. Inevitably it becomes anyone who doesn't see that we had no other choice but to do what we did, just doesn't understand or is refusing to acknowledge what they are really like. They're not like us. Except in all the ways that they are.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I could understand if 1 was the public position while 2 was the one you speak only among like-minded folk. Then 1 serves as something that makes nazism and other far right ideologies more palatable. Is it the case for Nick Fuentes? I don't know enough about him.

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  • I don't know much about Nick Fuentes either, other than what I already said (and that thing with that lady knocking on his door and him tazing her), but I don't think 2 has to be the ultimate goal to believe one. That's just where stripping away humanity (regardless of original intention) can always lead.

    Like individuals have their own experiences and biases that lead them to beliefs, but when the bias of individuals starts being turned into policy and law, it means that a larger group is now helping to carry out those actions against others.

    Think about it like joining the army and being sent to a war even if you don't agree with your reasons for being there. There are some people that join the army bc they want to fight and kill, but I've known a lot of genuinely good people that joined the army at 18 bc they felt like that was their only option at the time, or bc they really thought they could help people by joining.

    Not everyone that joins even sees combat, but some people are haunted by the things they end up having to do to complete the orders they're given during combat. Even if its justified or they believe it was necessary to protect themselves.

    Once you have a policy or command in place, you've gone from whatever the beliefs of a few people might have been, based on their own interactions and experiences, passed on to people below them in the chain of command being given as orders and carried out.

    That's usually how genocide works. The individuals creating the policy, giving the orders, or spreading propaganda aren't usually the ones getting their own hands dirty by killing large numbers of people. That disconnect is usually what allows personal beliefs to turn into atrocities.

    Ex: Stephen Miller is obviously a complete piece of shit. He can get on TV and spout a bunch of hateful propaganda, but would his lame ass ever be out physically detaining people? Hell no.

    Yet he feels comfortable being the one to dramatically scream about needing higher quotas and threaten anyone that questions his policies (and even in his case, I suspect his biggest motivation is the money to be made off of this operation moreso than any actual strong ideology).

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  • [–] 164 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Says guy who never had to deal with the KKK.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Weirdly, it is actually true that both the KKK and Hamas have bought support in their communities by doing good public works for people. It’s not what they are best known for, but I don’t think shadow organizations survive for long without building some support somehow.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    their "shadow support" that you can't figure out is hate. Usually hate from religion. KKK are ALL christians, and use their religion to justify their hate. Hamas are ALL muslims, and use their religion to justify their hate. Israelis are ALL jews, and use their religion to justify their hate.

    Religions openly hate each other. They all have lived under the motto: There can only be one god(s), only one of us can be right. (even though some lie about that, too). They fight religious wars that last for thousands of years, and that's how they look at you. A pawn so small that you can't ever fit into a 1/10th of their next thousand year plan.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    We didn’t need two paragraphs to tell us religion has been divisive throughout history. However let’s not oversimplify. The black people terrorized by the KKK were also Christians. Fateh were also Muslims so Hamas didn’t steal their popular support just by being the right religion. Religion is a thing. Not the one and only thing going on.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Not really that weird? Basically every organization does this or is immediately unsuccessful. The only exception is companies under a government that's stable enough to carry water for them.

    This doesn't mean that the organizations are a net benefit.

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  • [–] 148 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    “By saying ‘Free Palestine,’ you’re not admitting what you really think,” said Seinfeld, who publicly embraces his Jewish heritage and has pushed back against critics of Israel.

    “Just say you don’t like Jews,” he said in reference to the movement, before comparing its supporters to members of the KKK.

    In that spirit, Jerry, maybe you should say what YOU really think. You’re a genocide apologist. Embrace it, instead of putting words in other peoples mouths.

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  • [–] 86 points 1 year ago* (13 children)

    Let's see, so we have

    Free Palestine, a group that wants to stop the genocide and promote the freedom of Palestinians being murdered through no result of their own actions beyond simply existing.

    The KKK, a group who expressly want to genocide and oppress the freedom of anyone non-white for just simply existing.

    Jerry, you're telling on yourself here a bit

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    I mean, he spent decades trying to rehabilitate his pal Kramer after he melted down and shouted the n-word at members of his audience.

    Now he’s saying he’s okay with genocide as long as the victims are brown or the wrong religion and they have real estate he’d like.

    Seems like he’s consistent.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    The Michael Richards incident was a literal one time event, albeit a terrible one. There were zero instances before and zero instances after that suggest Richards is racist. Everything since then Michaels has done suggests he’s exceedingly remorseful over it.

    I am not excusing it in the least, but I don’t think it’s even close to fair to compare him to someone currently supporting the genocide in Palestine.

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  • [+] -9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    So they both suck. Thanks for making my point for me.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Ya, in the way that both my neighbor and Stalin sucked.

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  • [+] -13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    That you, Jerry? Give it up. Kramer was never funny.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    I’m not saying Richards was funny, I’m saying there is a difference on the baddie scale between someone who vocally and current supports genocide and someone who said something racist once twenty years ago.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Nuance, man. Some people just can't compare qualitatively and can't understand nuance.

    Like the stein voters who couldn't do harm reduction and just threw their votes in the chipper.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The KKK claims the Jews are doing a white genocide. Are you a genocide denier if you don't believe the claims of the KKK?

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  • [–] 71 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Jerry Seinfeld has always been a pompous piece of shit. Fuck him and his unfunny horsefaced “comedy”.

    Oh, and he fucked a teenager at the height of his show. Release the files.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This is the truth. Once he got money, he turned into the asshole he was always wanted to be and oh, what an asshole he's blossomed into.

    Now he's added piece of shit who likes genocide AND is entirely brain damaged about what the KKK does and has done.

    Pretty solid work to show that you're a piece of shit, like murder and have zero clue about the KKK all in one go.

    If this country is going up in flames, can we put the boomers on the front line? They love to talk a big game, let them live up to their own hype.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    No one watches Seinfeld for Seinfeld.

    Same effect with King of Queens.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago

    "Just say you hate Jews. Just tie me up and say Jews should die. Spank me and call me an evil little Jew. You know you want to."

    "Mr Seinfeld, children are starving."

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago

    He's always come off as a smug arrogant douche and he doesn't change this first impression the more he opens his mouth,

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Why do they keep trying to fuzz the terminology?

    Zionists and Jews are not the same thing. They have very little in common.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago

    "What's the deaaal with unfunny, stupid comedians?"

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  • [–] 60 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Jerry Seinfeld is a pedophile

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    To be fair that is an absurdly funny statement, it's just a shame that he wasn't joking...

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    What's the deal with black people? They're not black, and they're not people.

    -Jerry Seinfeld (probably)

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago

    “The KKK is a little better than Free Palestine. The crisp white robes? The anonymity? They’re basically racist laundry!”

    funky slap bass

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Of course Jerry of course. Israel is still a terrorist state. Bye.

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    Oh look everyone. It's the "airline food" guy who peaked in the 90s. He has a political opinion.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Jerry had more worthwhile things to say back when he had a show about nothing.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    In retrospect, Seinfeld was a very dark show. Somewhere on YouTube there is an insightful little video essay about how the first few seasons of the show are basically the story of how Elaine, a perfectly decent person, gets drawn into their little circle and over time adopts their awful selfishness and sociopathic behavior to try to fit in. How most of the problems of the show are caused by their selfishness and dishonesty, and often involve significant harm coming to someone else, and they don't care.

    I can't even remember which comedian it is, but someone had a bit about how the darkest joke he ever heard was a Seinfeld bit about being at the movie theater and just throwing his drink on the ground at the end for someone else to clean up. Like it's a small thing, but the guy talking about it was genuinely alarmed by the depth of how far he genuinely just doesn't give a fuck and doesn't mind if you know it.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago

    Sorry Jerry but I don't hate Jews but I hate the government of Israel

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    Who, oh ya that soso comedian that got lucky with a tv show about nothing.

    Useless twat.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Does he have any respect left?

    Honestly...like...who still thinks Jerry Seinfeld is a good person? Jerry Springer is a better person.

    Who'd think that George would be the most respectable of the group 30 years later.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Wait did Julia Louis Dreyfus do anything?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    She seemed to be snarking on Seinfeld's attitude on political correctness last i checked.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah that's the last I'd heard as well. Michael Richards and Seinfeld can go eat a bag of dicks but as far as JLD and Jason Alexander they're fine AFAIK

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Even Jerry's dentist ended up becoming a meth kingpin, and his mailman was involved in a corporate espionage scheme that ended up killing a bunch of people.

    What's the worst thing Jason Alexander did? Let his kid sneak an orangutan into a 5-star hotel? Big deal.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    Jerry Seinfeld is a washed up comedian, who cares what his opinions on international geopolitics is???

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Not really related but I'm having the weirdest time because I got on FB for the first time in a decade, and learned an old friend has transitioned and looks to be much happier now, so I'm excited, but their feed is FULL of zionist propaganda and it appears her entire identity is wrapped up in this now, so accepting her request would be a time bomb. Fuck, why everything gotta be this way now.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    People contain a multitude of thoughts and opinions. But, it always surprised me how one group that is persecuted can't empathize with others experiencing persecutions too.

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    Man now I can’t watch Seinfeld anymore? Why people got to do this?

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    So. after WW2 Jewish people can obliterate an entire population just because they were attacked. boohoohoo What if the USA did the same thing in Vietnam, Korea, Afganistan, Iraq, etc? How is starving civilians to death is this fucking right Israel? You are making yourselves the new German Party of 1933. Netanyahu is the new Hitler. He ignores the international community, just like Hitler, kills innocents and does not admit it, just like Hitler. He kills starving children ffs. How low do you want to go Israel before you become what you've feared for 80 years? It's an international disgrace. Even trump is telling you to stop now, I mean WTF dudes?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Bet you won't say that at a clan rally, they looove jews

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