TIL a second hip brain was once a theory.
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TIL people used to think that dinosaurs had a 2nd brain
I'm 54 and had a life-changing hippy teacher teach us elementary science. I believed this.
Blow your mind? In the 80s, not every geologist was onboard with plate tectonics.
Man i'm only 40 and the shit i learned in school is actually kind of crazy. When i was around 8, the ozone hole was kind of a big deal. FCKW was everywhere and it was the number one threat, next to climate change itself. One day it was really cold and i made a joke like: "the ozone hole is supposed to burn us, but it's so cold outside." My teacher heard that and fraked out. He said that we have no idea how lucky we are, in New Zealand, children can't even go on the streets without special suits, because they are right under the ozone hole.
I was 8, i heard New Zealand for the first time, i had no idea where or what it was, i was to scared to even ask what happened to old Zealand, but i always imagined it's literally scorched. I kinda stopped thinking about it unitl some years later when i watched a movie that was filmed in new Zealand and i was like:"motherfucker, it's beautiful out there."
In the summer our weather reports also include a "burn time" or a UV index. 15 minutes is typical.
I need to put sun screen on if I'm going to be outside for more than about 30 minutes at a time.
We're melanoma capital of the world.
There's no where else I'd rather be.
When I was a kid I didn't read about a "2nd brain" but a series of ganglions that acted like relays down the spine. Supposedly the belief was the size of dinosaurs made it impossible for nerve signals to reach the brain from distant parts of the body in a timely manner so they had these relays that made it easier to have reflex responses while the signal was being passed on to the brain.
The idea stemmed from misinterpretations of large cavities found in the hip region of some dinosaurs, like Stegosaurus. This cavity, which appeared somewhat brain-shaped, was likely a glycogen body, a structure similar to one found in modern birds, and its purpose in dinosaurs is not fully understood but may relate to energy storage or balance.
i mean, that is true in so much as all animals have them, that's precisely why reflexes happen before we even realize it
i'd imagine even the tiniest field mice work like this, because it's something the first animals evolved and it's highly useful regardless of how long it takes signals to reach the brain.
Glycogen is an energy storage molecule that is more easily accessible (easier to convert into glucose, what your cells actually burn) by the body than fat is. I would assume this organ was a dedicated store for it.
Edit: ah that’s what I get for commenting before reading the damn article. Scientists haven’t confirmed that it’s definitely an energy storage organ, but it’s one of the leading theories.
I've never heard of the "second brain" thing
That doesn't make any sense
It was a thing when I was a kid. The older you get the more of your basic education gets proved wrong.
Public school is great
When I was a kid they told me that different parts of the tongue have different taste buds
A surprising amount of teachers work like LLMs. No idea what they are talking about but extremely scared of admitting it.
There’s some precedent for it in octopi. They have “distributed” intelligence, where each arm has a dedicated nerve cluster “brain” that controls it.
I remember being told in school that Brontosaurus had a second brain because they were so big it would take to long for the impulses from their head to go to their tail.
I mean, easy to believe. Our goddamn nervous system acts kinda like one. Hell, we have more and more proof our left and right halves of brain ain't actually the unified, but are basically two brains and personalities slapped together.
I can anecdotally confirm as a "dinosaur kid" of the 80s, that this was a common tidbit in children's books of the era.
I'm pretty sure I had a VHS with Fred Savage where they ran through it as well.
The explanation was that the response time if a Brontosaurus got its tail messed with (an anvil dropped on it) was problematicly slow if the nervous system had to send the message such a great distance to the "head brain" and then have the reaction message all the way back. Basically they'd be living with massive lag IRL.
Can't say I'm surprised that science is backing off the certainty on that. Those same books were also full of "look at all the goofy things previous generations of paleontologists thought"
Yeah, I also remember the whole ' second brain in the tail' thing being a hypothesis back then
The explanation was that the response time if a Brontosaurus got its tail messed with (an anvil dropped on it)
If a Brontosaurus needed to react to an anvil being dropped on its tail then I have more important questions.
I’m pretty sure I had a VHS with Fred Savage where they ran through it as well.
Link to relevant scene (starts ~17:05)
Laughing that kids didn't get taught this in the day! It was "common knowledge" when I was a child. And I had an excellent science teacher. That woman taught me empiricism and how to form an hypothesis and test it. We simply didn't know in the 70s and 80s!
I'm just telling you what was in children's dinosaur books from the 80s, based on your response of never having heard of it.
What the gap between children's books and scientific consensus at the time was, couldn't tell you.
I think this sits in the realm of history more than science. "What were people writing at the time?"
My Dad would say I have a brain in my ass because my head was always up there.
your gut is also very complex (the vagus nerve in particular) and the microbes inside your digestive system can influence what food you want to eat.
yeah mine is a little too close to the surface and literally has a mind of its own. i let it take the driver's seat once and it was not the best experience.
The whole peripheral nervous system makes decisions without adult supervision from the brain all the time. I'd consider that to be a sort of distributed second brain in a way
Yes!
Some other organs too, to a lesser extend.
And then the whole trillions of bacteria intellectual powerhouse (I'm mostly joking, but not absolutely completely joking).
Not an expert in the field, but my understanding was there are parts of our own upper spinal cord/lower brain that handle very basic controls. For a much larger body could there just be a larger part like this for simple subconscious and reactionary commands?
Also brontosaurus is a separate species again, microraptos were black and anurognathus is extremely cute
what about octopus secondary hearts? human secondary brains?
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