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[–] 438 points 1 year ago (28 children)

Nah empathy is for the weak.

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  • [–] 138 points 1 year ago (19 children)

    Well fuck. Now I have to actually have empathy for his death or he will get what he wants. 😭

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  • [–] 165 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    have empathy for his children, who didn't ask to be born into this

    and uh I guess that's about it

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    nah, those kids are definitely gonna privately celebrate. i know i did when my horrible dad died

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    His daughter just turned 3, and his son is 16 months old. I don't think they're going to celebrate. But, they're going to grow up hearing stories about how their father was a martyr who died heroically, trying to save the soul of the USA. Let's just hope that as adults they're able to see past that brainwashing and understand what a truly horrible person their father was.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Depends on how involved their mother is in the crazy movement.

    At least one of the other Toiletpaper guys (Matt Walsh, or the change my mind guy maybe?) was treating his wife so badly that she left him and posted the surveillance videos of his dickhead behavior.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Does that mean you don't believe in empathy?

    Sincerely believing in empathy as a guide doesn’t mean only when it’s convenient. Empathy isn’t supposed to be convenient.

    For clarification, I'm not claiming he deserves empathy.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Empathy for the other people attending that rally who had to see such a violent event. Some were there to cheer him on, so fuck them. But, others were there to try to debate him. It was dumb of them to play into his game and participate, but still, some will be leaving that event pretty traumatized.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    This is the full context of the quote for anyone curious like I was.

    https://rumble.com/v1nnu66-dont-believe-your-lying-eyes-everything-is-fine-bannon-sheriff-lamb-patel-w.html?start=2180

    TLDW is that he follows saying he prefers sympathy over empathy

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    TLDW. what would the difference between sympathy and empathy be?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (2 children)
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I would argue that the average person refers to a mix of both when they use the word "empathy":

    • caring about the other person's pain
    • being there for them
    • trying to see things from their perspective
    • wanting the other person to be better and wondering how one could help.

    Classifying one as "a terrible problem" and the other as acceptable seems (at least) a bit pedantic. Specially when it comes to language, a dynamic phenomena in which words mean what (the majority of) people deem them to mean.

    my two cents

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    The train of thought he talked about right when he said that was that in the past politicians said they feel your pain, even if they are an opponent. Now politicians try to make the case that people aren't in pain.

    In that comparison I linked one of the differences is sympathy is feeling pain as your own and another is acknowledging pain without feeling it at all.

    I'm not saying I agree with his take, but context made the quote made me go from "this guy doesn't care about others at all" to "grammar police sidenote where he wants people to say sympathy more" in my head

    Context is important and I never heard or watched him at all so I wanted to share for people who were interested like I was.

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  • [–] 158 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Wikipedia editors already 'was'ed all his 'is's 😂

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Pretty sure Wikipedia has a single button that changes all present tense to past sense. Someone who's more familiar with it correct me if I'm wrong though.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I have no idea but I like to imagine hundreds of editors rushing out every time there's a prominent death to be the first to change it.

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  • [–] 93 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Great foreshadowing too.

    Earlier this year, Utah passed House Bill 128 allowing people to conceal carry firearms on university campuses. One of the campuses where conceal carry was now permitted is, of course, Utah Valley University, where Charlie Kirk was visiting today. He was sitting under a tent with the slogan "Prove Me Wrong".

    Immediately before the shooting, he was taking questions from the audience:

    “Do you know how many transgender Americans have been mass shooters over the last 10 years?” an audience member asked. Kirk responded, “Too many.”

    The questioner followed up: “Do you know how many mass shooters there have been in America over the last 10 years?”

    “Counting or not counting gang violence?” Kirk asked.

    Then a single shot rang out.

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/conservative-activist-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-valley-university-event-spokesperson-says

    It's unfortunate that he's ineligible for the Darwin Award because he leaves behind 2 very young children and a culture warrior wife, because otherwise he'd be a great nominee for the 2025 Darwin Awards. Normally to get a Darwin Award someone has to directly kill themselves. But, I think in this case we could have make an exception for someone who was a cheerleader for gun rights and was sitting directly under a banner saying "Prove Me Wrong" when he was killed with a gun.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    honestly deserves a whole new award category a la Herman Cain Award

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    This was apparently done by a sniper, so not really a concealed carry thing.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Surely the sniper was stopped by all the people conceal carrying though? I'm told that lots of guns makes everything ever so much safer.

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  • [–] 90 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    This is a TRAGEDY! WHY couldn't they MURDER A BUNCH OF KINDERGARTNERS Instead? This SUCKS! It's TIME for Trump to send the Military into the Shithole Blue state of Utah!

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  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    There was a school shooting today in Colorado. Dead kids.

    And yet the top news is this dude.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago*

    That happens all the time it's not news.

    Someone getting the justice they deserve? That's news!

    But I didn't know about the school shooting. I am so fucking sick of this shit. It's not ok for the conservatives to have conversations with their kids about gay people existing but it's perfectly fine for me to have a conversation with my kids telling them they might die when they go to school right?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    I like them anyway, but your comments never fail at being slightly annoying. I know it's parody of trump and his type of posts, but it's just a little too on the nose and the intermittent all caps words gets on my nerves. 10/10 Boomerposting

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  • [–] 87 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Aaaand this is how I found out. Good riddance!

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  • [+] 168 points 1 year ago (12 children)
  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    He was literally lying about mass shootings when he was shot:

    Immediately before the shooting, Kirk was taking questions for an audience member about mass shootings and gun violence.

    “Do you know how many transgender Americans have been mass shooters over the last 10 years?” an audience member asked. Kirk responded, “Too many.”

    The questioner followed up: “Do you know how many mass shooters there have been in America over the last 10 years?”

    “Counting or not counting gang violence?” Kirk asked

    Then a single shot rang out.

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/conservative-activist-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-valley-university-event-spokesperson-says

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  • [–] [S] 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Sounds like he was trying to push for taking away gun rights for trans people.

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  • [+] 77 points 1 year ago (9 children)
  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    In the united states these rights are seen as given by a higher power and administered by the government. With the belief that if the government fails to administer them individuals may pursue them by other means

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  • In the united states these rights are seen as given by a higher power and administered by the government. With the belief that if the government fails to administer them individuals may pursue them by other means

    actually that's how it works in a lot of places. the government is just the organization that tries to realize the ideals that were already there in the population before the government existed. the government is just the one trying to make them real. if the government fails to do its job, somebody else does it instead.

    there is literally a whole philosophy around the concept that the "state is the reality of the good idea", where "god" is often understood to be the set of "all good ideas". so, in other words, the state is seen as the reality of god. you can read literally antique philosophy about this; the view is that old. IIRC it was plato who discussed this, but i could be wrong. could have also been aristotle.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness—-That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

    – the Declaration of Independence of the United States of America

    It's not the law, but it is from the founders' cassus belli. Also in there is this

    He has endeavoured to prevent the Population of these States; for that Purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their Migrations hither, and raising the Conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

    He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

    He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the Tenure of their Offices, and the Amount and Payment of their Salaries.

    He has erected a Multitude of new Offices, and sent hither Swarms of Officers to harrass our People, and eat out their Substance.

    He has kept among us, in Times of Peace, Standing Armies, without the consent of our Legislatures.

    He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

    He has combined with others to subject us to a Jurisdiction foreign to our Constitution, and unacknowledged by our Laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

    For quartering large Bodies of Armed Troops among us:

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from Punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with all Parts of the World:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us, in many Cases, of the Benefits of Trial by Jury:

    For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended Offences:

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Well you know the bastard, he's all "it's yours help yourself to it". Or it's just the rhetorical justification for the principles these people established their government. They aren't saying that physically you can't stop people from having these freedoms, but that there is no moral justification to deny them and that it is a moral right to attain them by force if necessary.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    So no. That's not it. A right is something that is guaranteed by law, such as freedom of speech or running water for your home.

    A privilege is something provided by law that isn't totally necessary. Like a driver's license or a concealed carry permit for a firearm.

    For the layman the two terms carry similar meanings but in law they are completely different things. The distinction is important.

    also let's not get it twisted Charlie Kirk was Luigied.

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  • [–] 77 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don’t really agree with much about anything this guys says but at least he’s willing to commit to what he believes and leads by example.

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  • [–] [S] 72 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Wasn't sure where to post this since I'm not aware of a Lemmy equivalent of r/imgoingtohellforthis

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  • [–] 131 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Things Trump do to stop people from talking about Epstein...

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    This is some tin foil hat shit solely because Trump is too stupid to do any elaborate planning like this

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Trump is a figurehead. Project 2025 was/is a massive plan that took years to lay out.
    Do not delude yourself into thinking the Republican party is a cabal of idiots.

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  • [–] 62 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Thoughts and prayers, bitch

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  • [–] 60 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    He died doing what he loved.

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  • [–] 55 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Mainstream corporate media will ignore this like they did the 2 democratic senators right? Right?

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