Wars and proxy wars since 1776.

EDIT: The post is not an endorsement of the USSR. You can now stop fighting for your "team" and start defending the anti-war values you claim to uphold.

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[–] 39 points 1 year ago* (8 children)

If you think the USSR wasn't, then you're not actually smarter for thinking that, you've just fallen for another country's propaganda.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The USSR was not communism. Even if you protest and hold ground that it was communist, it does not represent communism and was objectively separate from anarchism. You argument is akin to saying that the USA is democracy.

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  • [–] [S] -5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Republican-style whataboutism. Nice. I never defended the USSR and this still doesn't change U.S. history.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If you unironically look at this image and do not understand how it is perceived as in support of the USSR, then the school system is worse off than even I realized.

    Yes, you did not explicitly say it. But the natural inference is that these guys on the right, the USSR and the anarchists, are correct. To shamelessly sit there with your hands folded over like "well I'm only suggesting they're right about this one specific thing, no one else should ever make any deeper inferences or assumptions, and it's their fault if they do," is either incredibly dishonest, or incredibly stupid.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Stupid Americans. Fight wars like the like Britain, France, Spain, The Netherlands, Sweden, Portugal, Germany, Belgium, Italy. Good honest colonial powers who only ever fought on the good side of just wars and never created massacres.

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 1 year ago

    Why choose other imperialist powers as though this is a representative sample? Unless you're arguing that every country is equally bad--thereby excusing the US from its war crimes--its unclear what these examples are meant to prove.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (20 children)

    Da, unlike peaceful soviet socialists who only use peaceful tanks to bring unity, whether or not other nations know they need to be unified. Or Anarchists who merely seek to gently dismantle society and bring harmony to the world by cleansing all threats to that harmony.

    The first half is fine, but the left side is some unhinged 1984 doublethink. "Our imperialism is the good kind. The other side is the bad imperialists."

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    What anarchists talk about cleansing? Are you referring to the dictatorship of the proletariat in Leninism?

    You can't just make things up about an ideology and then argue like the thing you made up is true and well known. That makes you exactly like the meme you're making fun of.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    A lot of anarchists do seem to want a big purge. I’m not saying that’s inherently part of the ideology as a whole—I’m fairly sympathetic to anarchist ideals. But I’m not as sympathetic to terminally online weirdos who just want an outlet for their impotent rage. And a lot of such people do call themselves anarchists.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I feel that difference exists for every ideology, though. Like a terminally online socialist or communist are also full of impotent, misguided rage.

    Speaking from experience, when a terminally online inset -ist ideology here shows up for their first in person meeting, they usually require some amount of reframing.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Using violent tactics is not synonymous with war mongering. Maybe a definition helps to differentiate the difference "A warmonger is someone strongly pro-war. Warmongers favor war above all other options."

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    where does anyone say “our imperialism is the good kind?”

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    What's the purpose of that Soviet flag?

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    to indicate those under that flag have been saying “always have been” - it’s the meme.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    It's rich to use it when it is that Russia is actively conquering and annexing territories of sovereign states.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Also who are these anarchists cleansing dissidents?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (6 children)

    The Red Terror during the Spanish Civil War comes to mind.

    No ideology is without its fanatics.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Thanks, I'll read up on it.

    But from what I've read so far, the violence wasn't exclusively from anarchist groups and more of mass violence from all leftist groups during that time towards clerics and rightists?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    The violence wasn't exclusively from anarchist groups, but in anarchist-dominated areas, the anarchists committed the same kinds of violence that other leftists did.

    This isn't to say that the anarchists were not the best of the lot, by far. Only that the notion that anarchists don't engage in unjustified mass violence against political enemies because of the sheer purity of their convictions doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    I gotcha. I believe it. Have any book recs on the topic? Think this'll probably be the my next lil history read after I'm done 100 Years War on Palestine

    edit: topic being spanish civil war period

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Most of this is recollected from college. I can definitely recommend Orwell's Homage to Catalonia for a ground-eye view of the Spanish Civil War in general, though.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    The down voters need to take a closer look at what the USA was doing in all their wars

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago (6 children)

    The military industrial complex is pretty well known at this point. I suspect they agree with the message, but don't like that it's coming from someone further left than Democrats.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    You can go further left than the Democrats without pandering for another warmongering, imperialist nation.

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  • [–] [S] -4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I don't recall doing the latter. Either there's an implication to the post that I'm not picking up on or you're strawmanning me.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I sincerely hope this is some extremely high level "I can only perceive things in their most literal sense" genuine (non-durogatory) autism going on here. The other option is far less kind.

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  • [–] [S] -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    So instead of giving a straight answer, you would rather shift the burden to the person asking you what the fuck you're talking about.

    I can only assume you're equating the hammer and sickle with the USSR rather than with communism more generally. The anarchism symbol underneath should clue you in to the fact that the post is not an endorsement of any particular regime. Ironically, you're the one perceiving things in their most literal sense.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    My brother in Christ, it is their flag. You didn't use random hammer and sickle iconography. It's the flag of the USSR.

    I suspect you know exactly what you are doing.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago

    Do you expect someone to make a flag that perfectly describes their personal philosophy for a shitpost on lemmy. To me it states that they hold some "extreme" (whatever that means anymore) leftist values and nothing more.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    There's a lot of Lemmy users around here who should be wearing that badge.

    Won't even admit the US proxy war with Russia is happening 😂

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    You could maybe argue that when Biden was in office. Right now it is as much proxy war as Germany and USSR invading Poland in 1939.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Orange turd being in office kinda just throws everything to whack, even long standing US plans. The current US/Ukraine proxy war plan was in motion LONG before Biden was in office

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Please go read a book. I recommend Road to Unfreedom by Timothy Snyder it gives a better understanding what's going on for the past two decades. And despite being published in 2018 it made it clear that the 2022 full invasion would happen sooner or later.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    by Timothy Snyder

    Wow. Of course I would see that piece of shit nazi apologist being recommended on a .world post. But from a db0 user? Just wow.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Looks like you have a lot of opinions but clearly haven't read a single thing.

    Snyder is anti authoritarianism and attacks both fascism as well as communism from that angle.

    If you read his latest book (On Freedom) where he shares his personal views he actually is against unregulated capitalism and has progressive views on about everything.

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