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[–] 62 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I'm pretty upset about it. I really don't like seeing fields of rotting crops, and I don't want all the farms sold to mega agrocorps

It's like an idiot ignoring your warnings and losing a finger. It just doesn't feel good, and now there's blood everywhere, and they're not going to be the one cleaning it up

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You're absolutely right, it DOESN'T feel good to see so many people getting fucked like this. We SHOULDN'T have to see this in our lifetimes. We're SUPPOSED to be better than this.

    But in this day and age, in this absolute clusterfucked circus of a timeline, some people are just so goddamn stupid, so deeply indoctrinated, and stubborn, and hateful, and all the other things we associate with modern Republican voters, that the unfortunate truth is that trying to talk to these people, and warn them of the consequences of their actions, just doesn't work anymore. They don't wanna hear it, and should you try to tell them, they either legitimately don't understand, don't give 2 shits, actively want it, or some combo of all 3 and more.

    And so the only option we have left is letting the idiot blow off his fingers with the firecrackers, while trying to contain the fallout, because at this point they simply will not learn, otherwise. It's awful, and terrible, and a nasty way to deal with it, but when the people we're trying to help and save are so adversarial towards anyone trying to help them... all you can do is wait for them to come to you.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I think that's very true, but spite is just a toxic emotion in any context

    I'm angry. I'm angry at them for making their brain dead decisions my problem. I don't have a lot of sympathy for them, I'm not very motivated to help them

    But I don't enjoy their suffering, because their consequences are going to be felt by all of us. I don't really want them to suffer at all, it gives me nothing. Not even the satisfaction of being right - there was no question this would be the outcome

    When they come crawling back, if they ever have a moment of rational thought, I don't want to say "I told you do". I want to say "I want what's best for everyone, including you, and what's best for everyone is you stop having opinions. Shut up and find someone smarter than you"

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    if the idiot in question got your fingers cut off as well as theirs, I would take some pleasure in their pain. I'm not proud of that. it's very corrosive, and it's not good for my soul. but... it quenches my anger, somewhat. :/

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  • [–] 57 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Who do you think is going to buy up all the farms on the cheap? This is bad for all of us

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  • [–] 108 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    I'm a farmer. I warned my neighbors. I've had two hardcore trumpers walk up to me nowon two separate occasions now and tell me to my face "you were right"

    I took no victory lap when either of them admitted it. The fact they admitted it was mind-blowing in and of itself. I didnt think they could ever be broken to admit it.

    My response, "we've got three more years of this bullshit".

    We're all in this together. But now you fucking understand.

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  • [–] 63 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Honestly I don't think they actually understand. Ask them who they plan to vote for in the mid-terms.

    If they truly understand then they should never utter the word Republican for the rest of their lives.

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  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You are probably right. But from personal experience with both of the people who admitted they were wrong, the huge dose of humble pie they ate to ever admit to me, that's takes real effort. One sees it in his pocketbook. He may forget. The other sees it after a solid dozen of his employees have been deported after ice raids. He's hurting in his pocketbook and in the personal relationships he has built with his employees.

    To be fair I've told these people that all farmers should be voting dem across the board, quite militantly, for years now. But guns and "Jesus" made them think I was a madman. I know and understand who's blood and sweat our tiny world is built on,and finally they are starting to understand it. I hope it is a lesson that sticks. I'll be doing my damned best to make sure it does.

    These are people that have fallen for propaganda. Decades of it. They aren't bad. They are just stupid for not paying attention. We can fix that. Call it out but please don't forget your empathy. I'm having a hard enough time as it is.

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  • As a guy who grew up in farmland, still have family friends out there, I honestly am just tired of it all man and have gone full Robot Chicken Batman v Superman.

    Sorry but after hearing 30 years of handouts vs helping hand, listening to them moan about crop insurance, literally a social safety net, being too expensive and not getting them to connect the dots that climate instability is ruining your crops, I mean how the hell do you have so many bad years of winter wheat all of the sudden, and hearing "you're one of the good ones", no dude I'm your average American as are all of the others you complain about with inaccurate alternative facts.

    I'm just kind of all out of F's to give. I just nod and say hi when I see people for the most part when I go home and just shake my head.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Reminds me of the idiom, "things have to get worse before they'll get better" -- one could say these people are suffering from an addiction to right wing ideology and from the perspective empathy is the wrong choice until they choose and remain on the path to face and overcome their addiction.

    I think that's analogy can make the line clear for those who suggest we do anything that would enable working class republican's political behavior.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    They'll pull another W. Bush era "republicans got us into this mess so we're voting them back in so they have to fix it". I still can't believe how stupid Americans are.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    I still can’t believe how stupid Americans are.

    believe it, never forget that the fascists are 'stupid' for the same reasons that nigerian prince emails are full of spelling and grammar mistakes

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    But will they vote for a Democrat next time? I hope so, but the cynic in me says fuck no they won't.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Mark my words, Democrats will make it so tempting to not vote for them.

    They will find a way.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm already getting blasted with ads for the heir apparent to replace Beto here in Texas. Some baby faced compromise that the Texas DNC has picked because of the fucking algorithm or something. Useless bastards all of them. All the Dems in deep red that I know are watching with waited breath for mamdami to win so we can use it as an actual example of what real policy ideals and 'fuck the DNC' effort can be. It's a thousand miles away but that's what we fucking need to show that these basic ass milquetoast candidates don't work. Ann Richards hasn't been relevant for thirty years but they keep trying the same goddamn thing. Fingers crossed they figure it out eventually.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    They're not gonna figure it out because their paycheck depends on it. The DNC — the entire party establishment — needs to have the baby thrown out with the bathwater if the average American has any hope of legitimate opposition to corporate dictatorship.

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  • [+] 86 points 1 year ago* (21 children)
  • [+] -13 points 1 year ago (20 children)

    The problem is that the economic and legal policy is dogshit on both sides of the aisle. Less dogshit on one side, but it's not like the Democrats were ever trying to solve people's problems in the last 50 years.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    ROFL, this is 100% Trump and Republican owned. Dems don't currently hold a single branch

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    But when they did hold power, they spent that time giving handouts to their rich friends, and screwing over the working class.

    Yes, this instance is totally Trump's fault, but they aren't wrong in saying that the Democrats have been pretty openly not trying to solve people's problems.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Which specific bill are you talking about that served their rich friends, and screwed over the working class? Because this is fucking news to me.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)
  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Link 1 explicitly lays out why it's not a handout to the rich.

    Link 2 is about legislation in 2008. Who do you think was president in 2008? Because it was Bush. The same guy who caused the 2008 recession.

    Link 3 is about how Congress undid covid relief when Republicans took back control in 2023.

    Link 4 seems to basically just be an ad with no substance, mostly talking about how Bush fucked shit up and Obama didn't do enough to unfuck Bush's fuck ups?

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Link 1 explicitly lays out why it's not a handout to the rich.

    Oh, well, just because they said it isn't a bailout must mean that it isn't a bailout. There's no way politicians would lie.

    For links 2-4, I posted the wrong ones. I've added corrections, my apologies

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Your defense of the first link is a lazy copout. Don't cite a source and then say "don't believe my source" lmao.

    The bailout money has been paid back, plus interest. It is largely considered a plan that worked. Your complaints are a great example of letting perfect be the enemy of good.

    Your politico link points out what I said; Biden wanted to do x for the people; Republicans in Congress stopped him.

    Your Atlantic link is paywalled. But I think I've read enough to justify disregarding anything else you have to say since it doesn't seem like you're reading your own shit, thereby not respecting my time in any meaningful way.

    Democrats are absolutely worth criticizing, and it's not just our right, but our duty to do so. But let's not pretend that they are the party of fucking over the working class to help their rich friends. That is squarely on the Republican party. All they have done in my lifetime is block help for the working class, roll back help for the working class (which were passed by Democrats), and pass tax breaks for corporations and the wealthy. Oh yeah, and dissolve our rights and speedrun into fascism. How could I forget that one. So if you want to talk about a party fucking the people over, let's talk about them.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Your defense of the first link is a lazy copout. Don't cite a source and then say "don't believe my source" lmao.

    I didn't say that. I gave you a source of them giving handouts to their rich friends.

    The bailout money has been paid back, plus interest. It is largely considered a plan that worked. Your complaints are a great example of letting perfect be the enemy of good.

    That doesn't detract from what I said at all. I said they got handouts, which they did.

    Your politico link points out what I said; Biden wanted to do x for the people; Republicans in Congress stopped him.

    Republicans AND Democrats. And he could have fast-tracked money to keep them going, just like he did for the war-machine . He chose to sit back, and let them lapse.

    Your Atlantic link is paywalled. But I think I've read enough to justify disregarding anything else you have to say since it doesn't seem like you're reading your own shit, thereby not respecting my time in any meaningful way.

    Says the person wasting my time. If you aren't going to read what I wrote, why ask questions?

    Democrats are absolutely worth criticizing, and it's not just our right, but our duty to do so. But let's not pretend that they are the party of fucking over the working class to help their rich friends. That is squarely on the Republican party. All they have done in my lifetime is block help for the working class, roll back help for the working class (which were passed by Democrats), and pass tax breaks for corporations and the wealthy. Oh yeah, and dissolve our rights and speedrun into fascism. How could I forget that one. So if you want to talk about a party fucking the people over, let's talk about them.

    I talk about the Republicans doing that all the time. But Democrats are indeed fucking over the working class to help their rich friends, as evidenced above. Of course, if you don't read things that you find inconvenient, it's probably difficult for you to understand that.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Dude, no. Just no. You don't seem to know what words mean, and you're getting frustrated by that.

    Biden didn't "give handouts to his rich friends" when he bailed out a collapsing bank to save the financial security of the everyday people who banked there. He prevented a cascade of bank runs. You would understand that if the read the article. But you're free to disagree with the actions he took; what would you have done differently?

    It's not a "handout" if it's a loan that gets paid back plus significant interest. A "bailout" yeah, sure, but that's not the same thing. That was my point there. And again, what would you have done differently? Let the economy collapse to spite those who made it happen?

    You say he could've fast-tracked money, but when he tried he was stopped by the courts. I know you want it to have been possible, but he wasn't willing to be a dictator. He (perhaps naively) believed in preserving the separation of powers.

    As for wasting time, I'm not the one who linked 7 goddamn articles and then didn't bother to understand them before pretending that they supported my argument.

    It's like there's a kid dying in the OR and you're focused on a worrisome mole while I'm saying "hey fuckface, let's worry about that melanoma after we deal with the gunshot wound." Yeah, there are corrupt Democrats and they cling to power, and yeah we should do something about that, but demonizing the entire party over a couple of less than perfect incidents is a mind-blowing way to take up space during a fascist takeover by the other party, led by a rapist conman who is in the news every day for egregiously fucking over everyday people to help his rich buddies. He's turning the white house into a gilded palace. He's ordering all Latinx to get raided by ICE. He fucked over the farmers AGAIN to enrich his VP. He's accepted a luxury private jet from Qatar. He very obviously raped children with his bff for years. Thanks to these dumb fucks, I now need to get a prescription to get a covid vaccine in my state, and I'm calling it now, there will be a shitload of measles and covid outbreaks in the next two years.

    It is fucking silly to criticize how Obama and Biden handled those crises as fucking over the working class to help their rich buddies when the actual policies they worked for and the bills they signed did the opposite, and Republicans undid as much of it as they could. Capitalism fucking sucks, and it's doomed to result in massive wealth inequality, and I'd love to shift away from it, but that's just not happening without a lot of violence. The Democrats are compromising to ensure that everybody gets crumbs today and morsels tomorrow and small bites the next day, and it's damn sure not enough, but it beats intentionally starving everybody and punishing them for not fattening up enough ahead of their slaughter.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    People are fed up and looking for answers. Republicans give the wrong answers, while Democrats gaslight about how much progress is being made. When people don't buy the rather obvious gaslighting, they turn to the only answers being offered.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    "wrong answers"

    That's a funny way to spell complete and total fucking lies.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Yes. Democratic gaslighting is "complete and total fucking lies" too. I was differentiating. Republicans lies offer a narrative and enemies to fight. Democratic lies try to tell people watching the American dream die that it's all just "progress". Of the two, Republican lies are way more viral, in more than one way.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Name a time when the right wing Democratic party have had a clear shot at improving things. You know since they've had to clean up the absolute DISASTERS that every Republican lying cheating stealing thief of a "president" has forced upon us. Every single time that they seize power, they destroy the economy and our rights. Every single fucking time.

    I don't look to them for salvation but holy fuck at least you can count on somewhat of a sense of stability when the actual (still shitty) human beings are in charge.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Having a chance to improve things is a Democratic nightmare scenario, and they do everything in their power to make sure they never get that opportunity. But how about today? Today they could endorse the Democratic nominee for mayor of NYC. That has a good chance of improving some things. Or how about Bill Clinton not choosing to dismantle the federal safety net, or Obama choosing to prosecute Wall Street criminals instead of reward them? How about not kneecapping Medicare For All at every opportunity? How about not trying to be Republican lite on immigration or trans rights? How about articulating any kind of vision to compete with Republican hate mongering in the public psyche?

    It's not all about passing legislation. Passing legislation is what happens after you have done all the real work that the Democratic establishment refuses to do.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm not disagreeing with any of that. I'm simply stating that things are ALWAYS exponentially worse when the demon spawn fascists seize power.

    I wasn't ever thinking about converting my USD to Renminbi when Biden was in office. Didn't expect the entire country and economy to collapse at any moment.

    So yea, things aren't nearly perfect under democratic leadership. But significantly and undeniably better in every single metric.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Yeah, Republicans are worse. Got it. However that doesn't relate at all to your comment that I replied to, or to my reply. In fact, the comment I replied to has nothing to do with my previous comment either.

    As bad as Republicans are, never doubt that it's Democrats who handed them power - over the culture and over the government. Even now, they have learned nothing.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Name a time when the right wing Democratic party have had a clear shot at improving things.

    Under Obama and Biden, they had the power to improve things. Instead they chose to give handouts to their rich friends, and screwed over the voters.

    Every single time that they seize power, they destroy the economy and our rights. Every single fucking time.

    Oh, you mean like what the Democrats keep doing?

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    How do you fall for this twice, when he continues to hype the same exact ideas that caused this exact same thing to happen to eg exact same farmers in his first term

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Farmers: I'll still vote for Trump every opportunity I get.

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    [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Trump pulled this shit first time around. This is China Trade War 2.0. They had all the time in the world to think on their vote.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    It's not even funny or ironic at this point. I feel sad these people are in our society. I feel sad that in the back of my mind there is a thought that the world would be better without them in it. This horrid thought is that our quality of life in this world could be increased by a systematic euthanization along party lines, goodbye MAGA, etc.
    These are Hitler ideas, but I can't form a rebuttal against them because it feels like a legal defense for literal evil (deranged pedophile greed worshipping control freaks).

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I'm a little bit sad about the same thing, but I think I've gotten over it.

    The thing is, these people don't want some other people to have the right to exist. That disqualifies them from having the right to exist, and so removing them from existence so that everybody else can live peacefully is okay.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Yeah, funny, until the food disappears.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It sounds like all of this food was going to china.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The issue isn't this food in particular, it's what happens to the farmers going forward. A lot of independent farmers are on thin margins. One lost year of income could leave them unable to afford planting for next year.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Then the large corporate farms will happily slurp up the land at a discount thanks to some clever... "investments" in politics.

    Yay more food monopolies. Nothing bad has ever happened when food is monopolized.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Then it's hilarious.

    Yes, food shortages, famine, starvation, and corpo total takeovers of the food supply are fucking terrible. But humor is one way to deal with terrible situations. It's why we laugh at funerals. Black humor exists for a reason. And it's about to get fucking dark out here.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don't feel bad for those immorally underpaying and abusing the desperate and undocumented (maybe the vast majority of them?), but I kinda do for those who weren't. It's not so black and white, sometimes people are just more stupid than they are evil and fall for low level propaganda. We should strive to build a world that's a bit more foolproof, IMO.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Immigrant labor abuse depends on what you're farming. Corn and soybeans are ridiculously well automated and only need a few people to run hundreds of acres.

    Anything else? Needs teams of workers, and of course those are going to be abused immigrants.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago*

    The situation echoes the 2018-2020 trade war, during which U.S. agriculture lost $26 billion, with nearly $20 billion in soybean losses alone. Soybeans accounted for 71% of agricultural losses experienced by American farmers during that earlier conflict.

    Despite acknowledging that he believes Trump “loves farmers” and is “trying to do what’s right for this country,” he emphasized the need for immediate action: “We gotta make sure that we survive through these tough times.”

    Friends... nothing is changing.

    China's smart to redirect purchases to Brazil so aggressively. If they want to create political pressure, it's effective... But I think they underestimate political loyalty to whatever Trump's doing these days.


    CCP, if you're reading this, go after the rich guys' pockets. Trust me, that will create pressure overnight.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Yes, technically, because I’m guffawing so hard it physically hurts.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    i'm not laughing.

    that is food shortages for our future. not just higher prices but missing grocery items from US stores.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago

    Thank goodness we've densified cities and increased their populations drastically, certainly nothing can go wrong with a single point of failure, people who live in cubicles with no land will just grow some weeds on their windowsill and survive that way.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Nobody will be laughing once there's no food.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Less than 20% of food consumed in America is imported, and Trump is also making us ever more dependent on domestic production.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Are trans-farmers a thing? Are they more than meets the eyes?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    There are actually a lot of democrat farmers. Most of their polls get really poorly represented by being lumped in with Agriculture Industry as a whole.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Listen: That's where our food comes from.

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    [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    All the farms around me are proud MAGA and some still have their ugly flags up still. I refuse to support any of them, but my neighbors will. I don't hope for ill will since so much food will go to waste, but sometimes the only way MAGA people understand is when it hits their wallet and HARD.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Have they seen the ‘Kamala was right’ memes from the libs? Those are funny. Send them those…

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I'm happy for them because they got what they voted for.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    First they come for the workers than the farmers.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Farmers: Good thing Daddy Trump loves me or else he'd be hurting me, my family, and the country a lot more. I better vote for him again, so he knows to be on my side next time.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I am going to laugh and shame every trump voter that gets fucked by his policies. Fuck em.

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    Can someone explain how Trump screwed over farmers? I work with farmers in the northern US, and it was a shorter season for some, but I don't know how Trump hurt them. Is this strictly because you think tariffs are hurting them, or is it something I missed?

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 1 year ago

    It's currently affecting soybean farmers the most and it's a combination of 2 things:

    The tariffs have caused China to shift their entire soybean import to Brazil entirely. China purchased 60% of our soybean export and was the biggest customer

    The second biggest customer was...USAID...which drumpy also nixed (iirc I think they were another 30% or something)

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