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[โ€“] 24 points 1 year ago (16 children)

How easy is it to switch completely from windows to Linux? Usability, feautures, costs?

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  • [โ€“] [S] 31 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    imo its not that hard, but if its your first time with linux i'd suggest starting with a linux mint/fedora vm or install it on a spare laptop if you have one. this way you could learn it a bit before making the switch

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I used it 20+ years ago. Is arch Linux now the โ€œnewโ€ free/federated version? And on what non-US laptop can I run it?

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  • [โ€“] [S] 13 points 1 year ago

    wdym by free and federated? i just use arch because i like it, but mint for say is also free. i personally have an ACER laptop running EndevourOS, but Tuxedo Computers is a German company that ships their machines with linux pre-installed

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  • [โ€“] 8 points 1 year ago

    Is arch Linux now the โ€œnewโ€ free/federated version?

    Not sure to understand the question. There are many non-corporate owned distributions, starting with Debian, not just Arch.

    And on what non-US laptop can I run it?

    Any non-US laptop is supposed to run just fine. One needs to set the correct locale (generally it will be the first question asked by the install assistant: what country are you in and what keyboard layout do you want to use)?

    I run Mint and prior to it I was running Debian (and prior to that it was Arch) on my French Azerty layout laptop without any issue (the same with the desktop and it's azerty keyboard)

    The only potential issue will be disk encryption at boot but I can say it works flawlessly with Mint (and did so with Debian too, as far as I can remember)

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 1 year ago

    Most Linux distributions are free (free as in beer and free as in free speech and freedom to modify). Some are backed by big corporations with questionable activities (e.g., Ubuntu owned by Canonical adding ads and data tracking by default).

    Federation is a different concept (relating to the interconnecting of content platforms, such as email or Lemmy).

    Linux itself is the underlying kernel code which programs talk to act as a mediator between software and hardware. Each Linux distribution is basically a software suite built on-top.

    Arch is specifically notable for having a very fast software update cycle.

    In contrast, Debian is a distribution with the "slow and stable" mantra. Software officially supported and distributed for it only receives updates every few years after extensive stability testing. The goal is to never have a random update break anything. This also means it is slow to receive support for new hardware unless you manually install it. It often supports running newer software but it won't be nicely managed by the OS and you'll be doing manual work to maintain it. The consequence? I have a new graphics card, and booting into Debian just gives me a black screen. I needed to use the terminal to download and install Nvidia's driver myself.

    Arch isn't so concerned with stability. It's still tested, but their goal is to make sure new hardware and software advances can be used right away. Think weeks instead of years. This means it will support newer hardware and any news about Linux advancements will be on your machine before long. It also means that sometimes things slip through the cracks and one piece of software might break, or break another one. You might need to pay attention to Arch news before updating to see if there are any incompatibilities before updating.

    There are different distributions building on top of these. Arch itself must be installed from scratch, a tricky process. Debian is more streamlined. Ubuntu is built on Debian, having lots of stability, but has alternative software repositories to keep things a bit more up to date. Arch has variations that make it easier to install.

    Arch gives more flexibility in what you install and more control of your system. Debian has lots of flexibility as well. Ubuntu has a bit less. Mint is a popular choice, built on Ubuntu, and it removes some of the "chaff" people complain about being added into Ubuntu.

    Linux distributions can run on basically anything. A smart toaster might run Linux. If it can run Windows, it will probably run a Linux distribution with a quarter of the memory usage at double the speed because Windows hogs resources with unnecessary and unkillable software in the background.

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  • [โ€“] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I donโ€™t want to say itโ€™s hard but it also feels disingenuous just simply calling it easy. honestly depends on the person and what they want to do with the computer

    Installing it isnโ€™t hard so long as youโ€™re comfortable following some instructions to load a file onto a flash drive and hitting a couple buttons when your computer turns on

    For usability, If you absolutely need specific programs that donโ€™t work on Linux, like anything from Adobe, MS Office, CAD software, a lot of music production software, stuff like that, and an alternative just wonโ€™t work in your situation (such as if you need it for work) then unfortunately thereโ€™s not really a proper solution there. TONS of programs have a Linux equivalent thatโ€™s open source and free, many of them work fantastic, but also thereโ€™s many that arenโ€™t ideal. For gaming though, itโ€™s gotten REALLY good. With the exception of certain huge multiplayer games with anti-cheat, almost everything will just work if you use Steam, and most other things you can make work by adding them to Steam as a non-Steam game and clicking a couple buttons

    As for cost? It costs no money but will cost you some time when youโ€™re first setting it up and learning the ways it differs from Windows

    If installing it doesnโ€™t intimidate you and you donโ€™t need any of the software thatโ€™s not supported, then itโ€™s honestly not hard overall but there will be some adjustments

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    A bit off topic, but since you mentioned music production software I just wanted to quickly say I was surprised by how much easier it is to set up compared to Windows. Since Pipewire became a thing, it's really dead simple. No need to mess around with ASIO, virtual cables, applications using an exclusive lock on interfaces, etc. Ardour and REAPER are solid pieces of free (half-free for REAPER) software, and the commercial Bitwig (made by ex-Ableton staff) also has a native Linux build which works great.

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 1 year ago

    Thatโ€™s awesome to hear actually, Iโ€™m not as familiar with music production stuff and donโ€™t have any personal experience with it on Linux, itโ€™s just something Iโ€™d heard was an obstacle before

    Itโ€™s crazy to me how much better and more viable Linux as a whole has been getting over the past several years

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  • depends on what you use your computer for. for video editing, you propably should learn davinci resolve sind adobe doesnt work, which could take a while. For me, i use my pc for software development and gaming, and the switch was practically "instant", anf i have been using arch (btw) for half a year now. it took maybe a week to get used to the terminal and after then it has been getting better and better. i suppose the "getting used to it" period is faster on something like mint

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  • [โ€“] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Usability is the same or better, but this is incredibly subjective. The plus is there is probably a solution specifically what you prefer. If you're coming from Windows, KDE is probably the best starting point. "Desktop environment" is the key word of you want to see options.

    Features are a bit more "it depends", generally more user friendly. But depends on the software we're talking about and can vary wildly.

    There is no cost.

    The only limiting factor for this endeavors in my eyes is that you might need some software that is Windows only. Many windows programs do run fine on Linux, which a lot of people don't realize. You can basically just install them using the compatibility tool "wine". You don't need to do anything for this to work on modern Linux. For games there is "proton", essentially a specialized version of wone. BUT there's software that will not run, or only after a lot of tinkering, or just not well (enough). If that's you, Linux isn't ideal.

    If you're not in need of specialized software, just try it. Most Linux can not from a "live DVD". No need to install. Just use it directly. I've you want to keep your stuff (settings and such), install on a 2nd SSD for like 25 bucks.

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 1 year ago

    Iโ€™ve been using Linux for more than a decade. Modern Linux is quite easy to start, compared to the old stereotype.

    I highly recommend an easy way: for the daily softwares you use, you try to replace them with cross-platform ones, like libreoffice, thunderbirdโ€ฆ when you want to try Linux someday, the migration path could be more smooth than you expected

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  • [โ€“] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That really depends on what you use your PC for. Are you deep into Microsoft Office suite? Do you play games such as PUBG, Battlefield 6 or other multiplayer games with a particular infringing anti-cheat? Maybe you use software from Adobe? Then no.

    Otherwise, installing Linux is easy, if you know how to create a bootable USB-stick.

    As a beginner, I would recommend Linux Mint.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 9 months ago*

    I second Mint.

    I used some EoL laptops around our warehouse with Mint installed so people could search stuff they needed, that was mostly web-based, and nobody really complained about anything not working. A few figured it out pretty well, a few said "it looks different" without really understanding what they're using.

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  • [โ€“] 58 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    Arch Linux as the alternative to Windows will make people never try Linux again. It should just say Linux, no flavours or personal preferences needed, alternatively a listing of the most newbie user friendly distros ever. Everybody already into Linux know what they want.

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  • [โ€“] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    My current recommendations.

    Just play games? Bazzite.
    Just need a work machine? Debian 13.
    Want a little of everything? Fedora.

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  • [โ€“] 20 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    No one mentioning Le Chat for the LLM part?

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Haven't heard of that. Searched it and saw mistral ai. Is that the right one?

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yup. I really like it but admittedly use AI lightly

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  • [โ€“] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    Can also recommend Qwant besides Ecosia.

    For AI chatbots I'd recommend Ollama, Kobold.cpp or Llamafix.

    for mail, Mailbox and Tuta are great too.

    For delivery services, Bol.com is better indeed (has better labour rights too), but ideal is to just go shopping in the city itself. It benefits local smaller stores too!

    For YouTube, I'd recommend PeerTube.

    For OS, it depends on how well you know Linux types. If you're new to Linux, and just want something that works, Linux Mint.

    In general, the best bet would be as decentralised, open source, and horizontally organised as possible. Defederate from large companies. The less chance then, that a bad agent will be able to embrace, extend, and extinguish.

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  • [โ€“] [S] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    i had a bad experience with Qwant, i also wanna try peertube but they gotta let me make an account๐Ÿ˜ญ

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  • [โ€“] 13 points 1 year ago

    Bitwarden is from the US. KeePass would be an alternative. But ProtonPass ist great. Nice List.

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  • [โ€“] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Great list. My only recommendation is adding LibreOffice.

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  • [โ€“] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Update, but it appears that Trump's Gestapo now has access to Graphite, which is Israeli spyware, designed with zero-day exploits. Apparently it can also hack Signal.

    What we need is to criminally prosecute all who circumvent robust privacy laws using third countries. Especially companies and secret services. And if that means we need to arrest prime ministers, so be it. If Israel's terrorist Mossad arrests people on other countries' borders, who's to say we cannot do the same for their fascist terrorist leaders?

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  • [โ€“] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Ecosia is debatable. Also, why the fuck would you introduce Arch Linux as an alternative for Windows?? Start them with Mint/Fedora/Ubuntu.

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Linux is Linux. Archinstall+KDE is quite easy to install and get working. Sure, neon or some flavour of debian will be easier. But, it's practically all the same these days. Also, Arch may have better compatibility with some laptops because of the latest Linux kernel. Moreover, if the person is a little tech savvy, the arch wiki is an excellent place to learn about Linux.

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Tell me about Bol please. I never heard of that. Good experience?

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  • [โ€“] [S] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Bol (formerly bol.com) is a website where stores sell stuff similar to amazon, only downsides are the increased amount of dropshippers and they only deliver to the netherlands and belgium

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  • [โ€“] 16 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    How and why is Signal not "American big tech"? It even runs on Amazon' servers!

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  • [โ€“] 9 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    I read "American/Big Tech" as things that can be either the one or the other but not necessarily both. Telegram is a for-profit, publicly traded company based in Dubai that recently announced a partnership with xAI to include Grok into its services. Signal on the other hand is based in California and has been entirely non-profit so far. Pick your poison, I guess, but I know what I'm gonna pick.

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  • [โ€“] 9 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    couldn't just say Linux lol had to include what distro btw

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 1 year ago* (2 children)

    I don't work in IT or anything, but if I had to guess, they are just following what privacy guides say. Here's an excerpt:

    Arch Linux is a lightweight, do-it-yourself (DIY) distribution, meaning that you only get what you install. For more information see their FAQ.

    But they recommend Fedora before that.

    P.S: I don't condone it, just trying to shed some light as to why.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    i don't understand. the except doesn't seem to say hey mention this distro at every opportunity

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  • Sorry, I could have expressed myself more clearly. All I meant to say is, based on this website, you don't see them recommending ANY type of Linux distro, but they recommend Fedora at the top of the page and Arch.

    It's not that they are against other Linux distros, but then they share their reasons for recommending those 2 specifically

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    i've never heard of here wego, but i cannot find it on fdroid, is it open-source? is it openstreat map based?

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  • [โ€“] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Don't use Bol. They rip you off exactly the same as Amazon, even though you find the exact same product from exact same factory listed on Temu/Ali at 10% of the cost.

    I generally recommend to avoid Dutch retail. East European retails tend to be more efficient, though still not as efficient as the Chinese.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 1 year ago*

    It's a shame they have started selling more and more of that unbranded cheap stuff. They didn't use to do that but it's hard to find quality items now. I guess it started since they started allowing other sellers to sell their stuff on their webshop.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Great suggestions! Also ios/android -> e/os (by murena)

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Is that fully functional, and works with mainstream apps?

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 1 year ago

    I am using in on my FP3+ for about 4 years. The only app that didn't work for me was myswimpro and I suppose it is because I am blocking ads/trackers at network level. Biometrical login to my bank app doesn't work (the app doesn't allow it, rather).

    No other problems so far.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 1 year ago

    For mail I can also recommend https://soverin.com/

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    How is Bolt any better than Lime or Uber?

    I've never heard of here we go. I'm a bit hesitant to go driving somewhere using navigation software that isn't extremely battle tested.

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I'd recommend Osmand, that's what I use and it's alright for me. It's never sent me somewhere wrong until know. Not everything is on there but then I just add the place, if I can.

    Bolt seems European I guess? Maybe a better plan would be to use the local uber alternative, like https://drivers.coop/ for NYC or https://eva.coop/ for Montrรฉal. Three's also https://coopcycle.org/ bรปt that's for deliveries and takeaways.

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 1 year ago

    OsmAnd is great because of how customisable it is imo, however it's very slow at plotting routes (especially while cycling, that's essentially the only use case I have for it) and rerouting doesn't seem to be a thing?
    I would recommend CoMaps for a much faster, but simpler, user experience.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 1 year ago

    I wouldn't say Bol.com is a good alternative to Amazon as their terms towards sellers is quite toxic, but I also wouldn't know any other alternative either.

    Bol.com has been infested with drop shippers using ai, try searching for "aanpassing titel" lol. Besides, because of their "free shipping", most products are actually more expensive because they have the shipping price included, and you can buy it for less directly from the seller's own website.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 1 year ago

    The popups, ads, and nags about disabling ad blocker on Ecosia... Ehh...

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 1 year ago (6 children)

    What's the benefit in using the Aurora App Store? It just looks like an alternate interface, according to their site you're still using Google Play and you still need to log in with your Google account. Same with Vivaldi, isn't it just Chrome? I'm asking sincerely, these aren't attempts at gotchas or anything.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Isn't there a no account mode for Aurora ?

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 1 year ago

    Huh, weird that it says that. They let me use an anonymous profile when I installed aurora store. I didn't have to sign in or anything and when I tap the settings icon it says my account is "anonymous@gmail.com"

    I think you only need a google play account if you want to download paid applications or applications that use google pay for microtransactions or whatever.

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  • [โ€“] 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Nope to proton, it's weird how they always show up in these kinds of posts.

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  • [โ€“] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    People say nope to proton and signal in here without offering a better alternative. I'm open to shitting on them (proton CEO really pissed me off by praising the trump admin), but just saying nope to them without functional alternatives isn't helpful.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 9 months ago

    I guess I don't care enough or pay enough attention to what CEOs say, nor know the context in which it was said... (Maybe brown nosing to play nice, idk) but I switched to Proton away from Google and Microsoft because it seemed like a good, complete, little ecosystem of apps. The company themselves based out of Switzerland has some of the best privacy laws to back their claims of remaining privacy-first and not sharing or selling user data.

    Does it cost? Sure, probably a lot of that has to do with hosting the infrastructure, but I'm willing to pay for, and recommend to regular friends and family who aren't as paranoid about using "no name" FOSS apps people haven't heard of. I get the incentive of foss, but others won't care to understand its benefits no matter how much you tell them, so Proton is a great "big" name company they can trust.

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 1 year ago (8 children)
  • [โ€“] 8 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    They're using Signal though, not Telegram.

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  • [โ€“] [S] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    opensource and privacy focused :3

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Signal is opensource in the same way TiVo was GPL compliant.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Hey thanks for the comment. Might you explain a little bit more? I'm just curious to learn more

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 1 year ago

    Do you know the term TiVoization? Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tivoization

    Signal is opensource, but you can't use your fork in the official server. You can use it on your forked server, but then you can't communicate with anyone that's not on your server. So being opensource is just a marketing tool. There's also no way of knowing if the binaries distributed were produced with the source code they published. There's no advantage whatsoever to be opensource for the user. So "opensource" in this case is just a marketing term, like the in case of TiVo.

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