Israel backs any party likely to win.

80* years

Not cheering on their domestic policy, but ppl are xheering on their choice to defend themselves from attack.

And Iran has been supplying drones for Russia so they can do the same in Ukraine.

They are both shit countries committing genocide directly or indirectly, they should fight each other to extinction.

I don’t think people are cheering them on in general.

I wish that was true, but I've seen plenty of people cheer Iran on in general.

Campism is utter brainrot.

I guess but it sucks for civilians caught in the crossfire. Can’t we just have a Khamenei/Bibi cage fight instead?

And then we just don’t let the winner out of the cage.

Iran has the right to defend itself, as they like to say

Just to add that I have become quite allergic to the “pre-emptive strike”, “weapons of mass destruction “ justification for war. Have we learned nothing?

Exactly. Stop giving Israel weapons.

Agreed. The the enemy of my enemy is my, uh, enemy? They both suck lol

That'd be pretty swell, but then maybe please don't go defend Israel from the consequences of its actions?

You would have said the same thing about World War 2.

eating popcorn on the governments.. crying for the actual people and helping refugees any way I can in my HC job. Knowing that we are probably a few months away from the government taking us and our paid off house for some 200 year old law the rest of the nation determined to be moot under subsequent laws past and relative peace for decades. God help us.

So.. all the other times Israel has been on the receiving end of violence are what exactly? Not worth it? Why, pray tell, those times do not count specifically?

Is there a particular characteristic of the Israeli population that makes those times not count for your metrics?

haven't you heard, Gaza isn't friendly to gays, that's why it's ok to bomb all the people of gaza indiscriminately, including the gays.

This is important because unthinking tribalism pushes anyone on the fence away from wanting to hear your position, and we don't need any more people pushed to the right.

Like when Trump torpedoed the Trans-Pacific Partnership - which would have meant all involved countries would have fallen under (globally draconian) US intellectual propery law and other controversial changes. In short, it was a huge win for corporations an a huge loss for consumer rights. Trump torpedoed it because it wasn't "putting America first" enough. So, although he stopped it for a stupid reason - it was great that he stopped it anyway.

It was of course renegotiated a few years later as the 'Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership', but notably with almost all of the intellectual property crap removed or vastly de-fanged, and various other controversial provisions removed - and that agreement passed. So it was a lasting win.

But if you ever say 'i hate Trump, but not everything Trump has done is bad because.. ', you are still likely to get a hundred Lemmy downvotes even if you explain why. Hopefully people can learn that you don't have to disagree and disavow someone/some entity all of the time just because you disagree with them in general. A win is a win and it's ok to say 'hey actually that's good', it doesn't mean you support or like them - it just means you think they made one good decision.

There is concept on the left called “critical support” it broadly means we agree with that one thing you are doing, but we also do not agree with other things.

also known as "the art of holding more than one thought/belief at once"

Iran's not shooting missiles in defense of Palestine, just in retaliation for Israel shooting at them.

But there's certainly a level of "oh, is blowing up an apartment building a bad thing? Then WTF have you doing???"

It's not why do people support Iran? It's why do people not support Israel?

It's not about critical support it's about critical thinking. It's about the big picture. Not about who to support and who to hate.

It's about control. It's always about control. 97% of politics is distraction and war means politicians have failed their number one reason to he in charge. To make the daily lives of people better.

Israel doesn't need offshore fossil fuel deposits. They just want control of those resources and money.

The most important thing going on right now is the transition to green energy. Not religious people killing each other. People don't like to hear that. Rather than think about that it makes them happy to insult people about it. Just like it makes people happy to have control.

Its almost like that should be taught in school. Iran was one of the nations subject to a CIA orchetrated coup because they wanted to nationalize their oil reserves.

But since its not relevant to vibe coding I doubt it'll make it into the curriculum.

They certainly are in Saudi Arabia. They say if you prosecuted homosexual acts there, you'd have to put a fence around the entire country. I guess forbidding the socializing of females outside of marriage limits options.

Aye my good Ronno, that is exactly the point I am trying to get across in the meme!

"A plague o' both your houses!"

They are. And I fear the Iranians are just going to circle the wagons and it will strengthen the evil Islamic pedophile regime. The Israelis will do the same.