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[–] 204 points 1 year ago

I love that he responded to their takedown request by releasing an entire video about Bloomberg and their shitfuckery.

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  • [–] 64 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Time for them to at minimum mirror their channel to Odysee and/or PeerTube so that they'll still have a platform just in case their channel gets nuked.

    Even if you don't plan on ditching YT outright, it's still a good idea to mirror to Odysee, PeerTube, or both, as a backup because of shit like this.

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  • [+] 21 points 1 year ago (1 child)
  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    This extends to the animation review community and also the art and craft communities too given Google will probably flag those channels as underage with their AI at some point. Like, people like Saberspark, for example, also need to mirror to Odysee or PeerTube before their accounts get flagged, if not moving away from YT outright.

    Even someone like PhantomStrider would benefit from doing that as well, and tbh, with his public disdain for big social media lately, Odysee or PeerTube would probably be a breath of fresh air for him.

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    [–] 104 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I would like to see more content relating to the last interview in the video with Mr. Pigeon. Truly think he has great arguments that need further airtime

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  • [–] 51 points 1 year ago

    Bloomberg’s lawyer to Steve: how DARE you contact us without going through another lawyer

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Yea, revenue certainly wouldn't be the same. As in, there would be no revenue.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Ad revenue. They'd still get sales through their store, as well as sponsor revenue.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    When I worked with an influencer who made free workout vids, his ad revenue was 80% of income. It was an extreme minority from free videos to buying something in his store.

    Then some algorithm change in 2018 broke his entire income, he couldn't afford me, and last I checked, he was sponsored by diet pills or whatever fake garbage.

    It's a damn shame because his dream was always to provide free workout vids.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago* (10 children)

    So, there are options.

    You have three challenges:

    • You need to be discoverable

    • you need to be accessible

    • you need to monetize

    If you just make videos and torrent them, you're not monetized, you're not discoverable and you're not really very accessable to the average person.

    Youtube is this nifty one-stop-shop that provides all three to a certain point.

    Peertube gives you some discoverability and lots of accessibility, but nothing for monetization.

    Odysee gives you a tiny bit of discoverability and lots of accessibility, but almost nothing for monetization.

    Floatplane (assuming GN wasn't feuding with LMG) gives you reasonable monetization and accessibility but almost nothing in discoverability.

    edit: cut myself short

    I'd like to see some form of partially federated system that works with peertube. I think the platform could scale and we could give youtube a run for their money.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Surely torrent distributed video can still have sponsorships in it, stick it up as a video on your own website is an option too. Could even go for low res video on website (cheap to host) along with an option of HD torrent.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    https://socialblade.com/youtube/handle/gamersnexus

    He gets around 750 Million Youtube verified views per month , he's releasing about 5 hours of content per month.

    He's not self-hosting that cheaply.

    His sponsors are giving him the a nice pile of money based on his view count, he's not going to manage that on his own without the algo pumping users to him. Search engines kind of suck and video bloggers at that scale need organics to keep going.

    You can't add monetization without discoverability and accessibility.

    Looking at those numbers, I don't even know that peertube could handle it, he'd probably need to setup his own cluster to mirror them all.

    There's a reason why we don't have a lot of competition to YouTube.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    We need a site that points peertube users to the accounts of their old youtube favorites.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Grayjay is trying to address this. Their idea is that you follow creators rather than accounts on sites. I haven't tried it in a while it was not real good at it last time I tried it but it may be better by now

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Theoretically, you could try to rely on patreon to have your audience pay you directly, but without discoverability, they will slowly dwindle and die. As to corporate sponsors, no one is going to pay for ads on torrented shows.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    What about Rumble? GN is on there and directly supportable.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    He's got 935 followers and about 20,000 views there

    Rumble only takes half the cut YouTube does, But the amount of traffic on there is microscopic compared to YouTube. There's some room there to make money.

    The vast majority of the content on there is a conservative echo chamber. I'd be a little worried about his ability to maintain journalistic integrity against big companies in that ecosystem. I'm also wondering what their ads look like ;)

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    The vast majority of the content on there is a conservative echo chamber.

    TIL. It's always rather amusing as someone outside of America that posts containing factual information get downvotes purely based on the perceived alignment of the subject on the zero-nuance American Political Spectrum. I block ads, so I wouldn't know.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I certainly didn't downvote you.

    It's definitely not a bad idea to look. Rumble is probably the second best option which is why he's there. But spend about 2 minutes looking around on rumble and it's like taking your dinner in the sewer. Anti-woke, anti-DEI, crypto, people praising armed military flooding into the streets of peaceful cities. The second most popular channel on there is newsmax which is literally propaganda. His will be able to resonate with the people that are there, But the rest of the content on the site is so edgy that it pushes away the vast majority.

    One of the biggest complaints about the platform is the lack of traffic. The ease of use is there, the monetization is there, but the discovery isn't.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Yeh, absolutely.
    The DMCA takedown works because music/film industry execs have previously gone after YouTube for not responding to legitimate copyright infringements.
    So YouTube now favours the person claiming the strike and makes it very difficult for the defendant to exonerate themselves.

    Changing how they publish will sidestep YouTube overplaying.
    But YouTube has revenue split with content creators, and has an absolutely massive audience with discovery algorithms and community stuff. Moving away from that platform would be an insane move

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Sounds like YouTubers should go after YouTube when this happens. Maybe a class action lawsuit for lost revenue?

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    There is no good answer to it.

    It is ridiculous that a channel which uploads thousands of authentic original content can lose all algorithm momentum from a frivolous DMCA strike removing their video for 10 days.
    It basically guarantees a video gets killed. Even if the video gets reinstated after an appeal.

    This particular video will massively bounce back. People are angry at Nvidia, people are angry with YouTube and with YouTubes DMCA process, and now people are angry at Bloomberg.
    And Gamers Nexus isn't gonna let this drop, and GN has earned its communities trust (and I think trust in general) that there will be flocks of people ensuring the video doesn't die.

    But if this was a smaller channel releasing a massive expose like this, it would probably just drop out off the public's radar before it gets established

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Messy. Youtube could just refuse to serve his videos because they decide they don't want to :/

    They have more lawyers than God, I can't help but think the contract they all have with Google favors Google to the extreme.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeh, exactly.
    It's a private company.
    It's a huge platform, but YouTube can choose what YouTube is.

    The only way any change happens is if YouTube gets raked over the coals by enough content producers (that they could collectively start their own platform) by media and potentially by governments (recognising them as some sort of critical communications or something and implementing regulations?).
    Or if all the YouTube viewers decide they have had enough and go elsewhere (where, tho? Kinda goes hand-in-hand with creators starting their own platform).

    So the pressure needs to keep building, YouTube needs to keep doing shitty things. Eventually... Hopefully?... Something changes: YouTube gets better, a new platform is born.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    We need monetization in peertube, and peertube to have community tools like (or exceeding) lemmy.

    I think it's a pretty low bar, but it's not just going to happen without massive interest

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  • [+] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Oh, gotcha.
    I'm pretty sure they have a patreon.
    They ran a Kickstarter to fund the production of this specific 3h episode, and all levels of backers got a USB key with a copy of the video on it.

    The issue isn't it being deleted. It won't disappear.

    The issue is the contents potentially not reaching as many new viewers unaware of Nvidias shady behaviour and how the black market of GPUs actual works because Bloomberg (who have sponsorship from Nvidia) DMCAd the video.
    Either because their articles were used as a source and the text of those articles were shown on screen (potentially reducing views those articles would have received if they were linked? Or something? No idea how you would provide a snapshot of the information as it was at the time of publishing the video, tho. Cause the article could be edited after GNs video was published, making any soft references meaningless).
    Or because they used some of Bloombergs video of POTUS, which (in my understanding) cannot be copyrighted.

    So to me, it seems like GNs video was frivolously DMCAd to reduce its impact on Nvidia.
    The impact of that DMCA is that: as it was starting to trend it gets taken offline for ~10 days. After which, YouTube's algorithm will be unlikely to promote it via its algorithm because it hasn't had any new views for 10 days.
    Effectively killing the video.
    Gamers Nexus gets a "strike" against their channel (of which they get 3).
    Bloomberg has 0 repercussions.

    Unless we all kick up enough fuss to cause some repercussions, and support GN enough to get the exposé trending again.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Nobody is gonna watch a torrent tuber, the audience would get cut to 1/100th if even that.

    Too many people rely on the aggregates and the algorithms.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    It's funny, I remember watching The Scene from torrents (or maybe eDonkey2000/eMule?) 20 years ago. And it was relatively popular. Though I don't remember the last time I even had a BitTorrent client installed. If you're right, then we've failed ourselves. (And you may be right.)

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  • [+] -11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Maybe they can finally get a real job? 😻

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Did they hurt your feel feels? Should they have taken it easy on those multi million dollar companies shitty business practices? Don't worry corpo-chan, those companies totally see you and plan an rewarding your loyalty. Lol

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Aw, don't you love searching for an update on something just for the algorithm to show you a low view count video that's a mediocre computer voice talking over a barely related slideshow?

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  • [+] 12 points 1 year ago (5 children)
  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I would recommend going to some local art faires, it will soothe your anxiety about the future (of art). I bought a small oil-on-canvas painting of a sailboat at sunset from a young artist at a recent art faire, who was thrilled to talk about art and even tried to give me the painting for free. Creating art by hand is soul-satisfying, and rest assured, my friend, it will never be replaced my AI.

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  • [+] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Well, just think about how pervasive cheap junk plastic (toys, food packaging, vehicles, furniture, etc) is in our society, yet there are tons of people who make or buy things made out of high quality materials like solid wood furniture or quality steel kitchen appliances. So, there will always be people who reject imitation and embrace originality (and you can find them at art festivals!)

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  • [+] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Maybe that will happen in those giant urban nightmares they call cities. I moved out of the decaying concrete jungle (Escape From L.A.!) and have been living in small towns for the past decade. Here, live music is made every night, spilling out onto the boardwalk and carried by the wind to brighten and invigorate minds old and new. Real music is an art that will survive the AI apocalypse, and perhaps be the last echo of our civilization, spreading out into the cosmos long after we're gone, and exchanting distant (alien) minds.

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  • [+] 18 points 1 year ago (5 children)
  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Isn't this a bit disingenuous to why they originally started to change the algorithm though?

    People figured it out and started abusing it by spinning up proxy websites that would just link to the sites they wanted higher up in the rankings. You could argue Google only became an advertising company so that they could regulate that whilst also taking a slice.

    I'm not arguing that they've since lost their way though.

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