The homeowner told police the two men said they were police and claimed they were at the home to serve a warrant.

[The homeowner] became suspicious, because, you know, they have a ring camera too, and the suspects were saying they had a warrant, but it was just two people and they're masked up and no police cars, no lights or anything like that," said Lt. Khan with HPD.

At some point, police said the men shot at the homeowner through the door, prompting the homeowner to return fire.

The homeowner was not hurt in the gunfire, but the two men were both hit and pronounced dead at the scene.

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[–] [S] 442 points 1 year ago* (30 children)

I was surprised that the masked men weren't law enforcement. Police hiding their faces because fascism is just standard procedure under President Epstein.

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  • [–] 252 points 1 year ago (23 children)

    Police said if you're ever unsure whether it is really the police outside your door, there are some signs to look for.

    "Obviously, a police car with some sort of lights and sirens and a bullhorn where we'll be announcing ourselves," HPD Detective Kyle Stringer told Choi.

    Stringer noted that real officers do not wear ski masks.

    An interesting development

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  • [–] [S] 94 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    “Obviously, a police car with some sort of lights and sirens and a bullhorn where we’ll be announcing ourselves,”

    They always announce themselves except when they don't: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-knock_warrant

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  • [–] 193 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I love that I read your comment, then backed out to the main feed and the very next post is of a pig wearing what is effectively a ski mask

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  • [–] 123 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Stringer noted that real officers do not wear ski masks.

    the very next post is of a pig wearing what is effectively a ski mask

    The logical conclusion is that that is not a real officer.

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  • [–] 55 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Then somebody should be arresting them for impersonating an officer.

    That's what happened, right?

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  • [–] 42 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Lies. ACAB.

    This is gaslighting at this point. We all see the pigs with masks. We've all seen plainclothes officers in undercover cars make traffic stops.

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  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I’m reading it as the quoted police officer is telling us it’s ok to shoot the masked kidnapper-variety police.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    Breonna Taylor's ghost would like a word.

    Seriously, her boyfriend was arrested (but acquitted) for returning fire in their home when police had no lights, no sirens, and no bullhorn.

    This officer's advice does not apply anywhere that no-knock warrants can still be obtained.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Stringer noted that real officers do not wear ski masks.

    I wonder if this could be cited in court in the case of someone accidentally killing ICE agents, thinking they were robbers or worse.

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  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This has been happening for years, Apple even made a TV show about it.

    Cops say they do no knocks and mask up for their own safety...

    But this is America and people are even more on edge then ever. I honestly can't believe more actual cops haven't been shot by mistake yet.

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  • [–] 172 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I feel the headline should have noted that he shot in response to them shooting through his goddamn door first.

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Journalistic reflex; cops are always innocent.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I dont think it matters. The title conveys the idea that they weren't police. I think you could claim self defense just by that. No one that wants you to open the door falsely claiming to be policie is NOT going to hurt you

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago*

    It's a huge difference. It may not seem different to you and I, but shooting someone who shoots you first is more universally viewed as acceptable self defense than only shooting people claiming to be police in skimasks on your doorstep. The headline buries the lede.

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  • [–] 132 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Quote "Stringer noted that real officers do not wear ski masks. "

    So law enforcement just went on record saying ICE agents with masks are not actually law enforcement.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I feel like if someone dressed up as ice and joined in a raid only to cause internal chaos could deeply hinder the operations of ICE as they all become suspicious of each other and lose trust in their team.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I have a prediction: the more professional and organized members of ICE would actually be foreign agents, causing problems at key points. Say, for example, "vanishing" unfriendly politicians. ICE is the perfect cover: Low recruitment standards, no regulation, bounties for those times you need to get money, and no one able to ask questions.

    It would be the chaotic and unprofessional members of ICE that are native to the USA. Those would be just into ICE for the money and racism, not patriotism to their nation. This will become a "Lions Led by Donkeys" episode in a decade or two.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Why would you think it's only foreign agents who would use ICE as cover to disappear politicians they don't like?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    I don't. However, it is the most obvious way for other nations to attack America without drawing attention. Hopefully, the same vulnerability would also allow the John Browns of our time to crack open concentration centers from the inside.

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  • [–] 124 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    HPD Detective Kyle Stringer told Choi.... that real officers do not wear ski masks.

    🤔

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  • [–] 49 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Detective Stringer doesn’t watch the news.

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  • [–] 213 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Schrödinger’s cop. Every masked creep with a power complex is simultaneously a dangerous criminal you should shoot on sight for your own protection and a police officer with qualified immunity. The waveform collapses when you get tried for murder, if you win it was a criminal all along, but if you get the electric chair it was a cop.

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  • [–] 88 points 1 year ago

    Good for the homeowner. Any "law enforcement officer" who hide their faces and wont show ID are probably acting criminally and they should not be tolerated by society.

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  • [–] 84 points 1 year ago

    Good. ICE and lookalikes are cut from the same putrid cloth, that is best disposed of.

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  • [–] 72 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    ICE wear masks, and no-knock warrants are a thing.

    Kudos to the home owner for being vigilant and shooting BACK once they opened fire

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  • [–] 187 points 1 year ago (20 children)

    "Stringer noted that real officers do not wear ski masks."

    It's going to be very, very interesting to see how this one turns out!

    Always a good idea to be aware of lethal force rules where you live:

    In this case, Houston, Texas:

    https://www.houstoncriminallaw.com/blog/self-defense-or-assault-when-using-force-is-justified-under-texas-law/

    "The Role of the Castle Doctrine in Texas

    The Castle Doctrine is a key element of Texas self-defense laws. This principle allows individuals to use force, including deadly force, to protect themselves in their homes, vehicles, or workplaces without a duty to retreat. Under Texas law, your “castle” is considered a place where you have a legal right to be, and force may be justified when:

    Someone unlawfully enters or attempts to enter your home.

    The intruder is committing or attempting to commit a violent act, such as robbery or assault.

    You reasonably believe force is necessary to protect yourself or others.

    There are some limitations to this principle. For example, the use of force is typically not justified if the intruder is retreating or if you initiated the altercation."

    So, assuming the story is accurate, and remember, initial reports are almost always INACCURATE...

    "At some point, police said the men shot at the homeowner through the door, prompting the homeowner to return fire."

    So, yeah, as soon as they shot through the door, Castle Doctrine is in play.

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  • [–] 53 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    So, yeah, as soon as they shot through the door, Castle Doctrine is in play.

    Standard self defense law also covers this in every US state and most countries; if someone is shooting at you and there's no way to quickly get to a place where they can't hit you, it's legal to kill them to make them stop.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    Some cops actually wear ski mask-type stuff like that when they do sting operations. Seen it myself a few times.

    I want to be clear that the ski mask cops I have seen actually had badges or uniforms or some kind of identification on their person.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago

    "Police said the two men were wearing bulletproof vests and had some sort of badge around their necks."

    The Nazis want badges alone to be enough of a signifier, but frankly anyone trying to break into your home without presenting identification and a warrant should be treated as a threat.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Maybe this could be a warning sign to those cops that they shouldn't do that, or they might be shot.

    Oh, who am I kidding. That just means cops in ski masks will shoot first more often.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Badges and "identification" can be bought at dollar stores.

    Nobody is going to be able to check their authenticity in the middle of a firefight, and by the time you let criminals enter your house to show you their "ID", it's already too late.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Not that people with guns trying to break into a house are necessarily very smart (both burglars and Nazis), but what's the plan here? You hit the homeowner and then you just have a shot guy on the other side of a still locked door. You gotta be really dedicated to robbing that particular house this particular night to jump to do that.

    I'm guessing the order of events is off. Shooting at thugs trying to break into your home and those thugs shooting at someone shooting at them makes perfect sense.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This is Texas we're talking about. There, people shoot at each other just to say hello some times 🤷

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    In reality, if the masked intruder you shoot happens to be a cop, then Castle Doctrine is irrelevant. You're now a cop murderer. They'll figure out some legal or extra-legal way to see you behind bars or dead.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Not 100% true. Though I admit it's rare, but in Texas a man was acquitted after killing a police officer trying to break into his house. Castle-Law absolutely came into play there.

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-jury-acquits-man-fatally-shot-off-duty-houston-officer-man-claimed-self-defense

    This is the most recent I can find, but it's happened several times in the past as well. It should happen more often, but unfortunately the defender rarely survives.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    The story you linked isn't about a police officer trying to break into a man's house. It's about a road rage incident.

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  • [–] 63 points 1 year ago

    Probably realised they weren't real police because they knocked rather than just kicked his door in and shot his dog.

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  • [–] 61 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Can we Gofundme him a new door?

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