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TIL popular US Televangelists own private jets (files.catbox.moe)
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[–] 154 points 1 year ago (14 children)

It's easier to walk through the eye of a needle than convince religious people they're being scammed.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    SkyMan could even be real, but it wouldn’t matter if he came down and told them their shiny TV gods were full of shit. They don’t follow the heroes of the magic books; they follow their idols.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    That's a gross overgeneralization. When my synagogue needed a substitute rabbi, they temporarily hired Rabbi Kaye. When we complained that he was creepy and aggressive, our parents said they were uncomfortable with him and had him fired. I don't think he was even around long enough for anyone to fully realize how problematic he was.

    That being said, I've met far more problematic religious leaders than well-intentioned folks.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    That's awesome that you were part of such a supportive family and synagogue, but your comment is giving "Not all men." Your experience doesn't refute the experience of millions of others. There's a reason we generalize groups who protect dangerous members within their ranks.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Exactly. It's even worse, I make it analogous to police.

    When your organization is supposed to stand for X but a significant portion of it does Y, you don't get to say "Oh it's just some of them..." motherfucker your organization is supposed to be FULLY against Y

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    By that logic, it might be safe to say that I'm even worse than you're describing because I don't consider myself part of that organization.

    But you might have a point that I somewhat understand. I used to volunteer at my friend's church as often as possible, because I loved what they did for the community, how they supported LGBTQ+ rights, the fact that they also suspected a leader of being creepy around kids and excommunicated/reported him. But then, when the older folks in his congregation successfully switched the church from UMC to GMC, and the younger and more liberal members didn't revolt, I stopped associating with the church altogether.

    I'm starting to kinda get a clearer picture because, I definitely get the "some cops are decent people, but they're bastards for joining the ranks because ACAB." But, in the past, I've not been able to say "fuck the religious community" because they've actively rebelled against pedophilia. But looking at the communities now, suddenly supporting queer-hate and genocide, I see the cracks forming in my rose-colored glasses.

    If I understand correctly what you're saying, "organized religion doesn't require joining an organization that has a disturbingly lax (at best) approach to dealing with pedophilia. Therefore, even the best members are still members of an organization that's terrible on a larger scale. Just like how they can choose to join a problematic organization, they can defend their own choices without me carrying their water for them." Is this more or less correct?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Hmm, I've never thought about it that way. I know that when I hear, "all men are pigs," I think to myself, "yes we are. I've had a problematic past that I'm glad I've put in the work to recognize and reduce, if not reverse that behavior."

    But when I hear that [paraphrasing] "all people who believe in God (uppercase because we've left out religions wet multiple gods) would rather their children get raped than accept that God loves pedophiles," I feel like I'm hearing a false dichotomy or a loaded question along the lines of "when did you stop beating your wife."

    So, while I don't practice or believe in any religion, I have a hard time agreeing with the sentiment that all religious people love pedophiles. How does someone like me, who engages with everyone for some dumb reason, compartmentalize or approach a topic like this where I only have experiences of the opposite? I see toxic masculinity, racism, sexism, and religious oppression every single day—but I've yet to see (in my personal life) a known or suspected pedophile not getting kicked in the teeth.

    I probably sound incredibly walled off and ignorant right now, but that's exactly the issue. I am obviously ignorant because of the fact that I and my community have always been given a voice.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    We are a nation by scammers, of scammers, and for scammers.

    Turns out a lot of the New Atheists - your Christopher Hitchenses and Richard Dawkinses and your Sam Harri - were actually totally cool with a right-wing dominionist government, so long as that government killed Muslims. The Randian Objectivists promised rationality, but only ever delivered new flavors of bigotry. The Neoliberal Egalitarians promised a clean separation of Church and State, right up until they looked at the poll numbers and discovered you could pick up 2-pts in Maine by punching a Transgender person. The Liberal Unitarians and squishy Agnostics keep showing up to pay $120/ticket to see abused dancers perform Shen Yun and send billion dollar checks to genocidal Zionists abroad.

    Like, religion sucks yadda yadda. But I don't see that secular dividend. Would the world be a better place if Televangelist Private Jets were owned by more Home Shopping Network con-artists, instead?

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    • [–] 75 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    No shit. It's solely about the money.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    Only a business puts they take 10% of your income in their on boarding contract. That alone tells you most organized religions are a scam. Denominations are just franchises at this point just like McDonald's.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Even for the gullible people giving money to these parasites it’s also solely about money. The only reason they give is because they believe in the prosperity gospel. Which is a belief that if a person is charitable that God will reward them with financial success.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    100% this. I had a neighbor who was caring for their elderly, bed-ridden mother. She was almost entirely blind, diabetes took her foot, and had the TV on the televangelist 24/7 channel. Yet she would sneak and get the phone and send televangelists all her money. They tried to hide the phone, she would manage to mail them checks. She set up recurring debits from her bank. Crackheads are less determined. They were in such a bad place their gas got shut off because all her money was going to these people. Family was crazy about it, and had no way to stop it with the bank.

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    [–] 41 points 1 year ago

    South Park made fun of that in 1999 with the episode "Starvin' Marvin in Space".

    In that episode a Christian televangelists network raise the money for an entire spaceship with lasers and deflector shields and all (a lot of Star Trek/Wars references).

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    [–] 34 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Interview with Kenneth Copeland about why he flies on Private Jets (it'll make your blood boil)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LtF34MrsfI

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It's rare that you can actually see him try to suppress the demon within him.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    I have this thought every single time I see him. If a conspiracy theory nut presented evidence that someone is really a demon wearing a human-suit, I’d probably hand-wave them away… Unless they were talking about Kenneth Copeland. He’s probably the only instance where I’d be inclined to believe the conspiracy theorist.

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    • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    A waste of space and oxygen, those televangelists are.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    INB4 someone broad-brushes this to be about... ahh, fuck, I'm too late.

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    • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    "god told me we must buy this plane."

    ^we^ ^accept^ ^visa,^ ^checks,^ ^cash^ ^or^ ^crypto^

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    [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Some own multiple

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    • [–] 13 points 1 year ago*

    OMG LEMMY HAS VIDEO SUPPORT?

    No it is still hosted elsewhere? Jerboa plays it nicely

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    [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You expect them to ride a regular plane filled with demons?

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    • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Don't forget to put five in the plate nanna. It's going to a good cause...

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    • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    I would argue violence/force is very christian. There's a reason it took over Europe, and in later centuries it sought the rest of the world.

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    [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Before I open the link, I bet this is the interview where the demon inside Kenneth Copeland was close to getting out and killing the reporter.

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    [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Oh unpopular ones do too. No job makes more money for the particularly enterprising and soulless as preaching does here.

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    [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Related Last Week Tonight episode : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y1xJAVZxXg&t=216

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    [–] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    A bit off-topic, but how the fuck can anyone think someone like this is connected to god?

    https://youtu.be/t2FboQCrv8o

    https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=t2FboQCrv8o

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    There will always be people succeptible to this kind of grift, but people have also been calling out this BS for decades.

    Genesis - Jesus He Knows Me

    Well, I'm countin' my blessings 'Cause I've found true happiness 'Cause I'm gettin' richer Day by day

    Full lyrics

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    • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Yep. I'm a Christian, and I'm pretty sure they aren't.

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    [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    This auto plays, and opens the video when tapped instead of pausing.

    Had a quick look on settings and there wasn't a switch to have autoplay turned off.

    Does anyone know where an autoplay or a pause switch is?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Nobody knows what you are using to browse Lemmy, it can be very different depending on the client.

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    • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    Of course they do. When televangelists go to an airport, they rest their hands on their private jet and then confess their sins and express their gratitude for their good fortune through the words of Saint Reznor: "My whole existence is flawed. You bring me closer to god."

    And then they have like... a totally wicked cocaine sex party in the air.

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