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[–] -1 points 1 year ago

Trump doing the ole switcharoo.. Libs gonna have a field day!

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    [–] 93 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Imagine the howling from every Republican in congress if this had happened during a Democratic presidency.

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    [–] 68 points 1 year ago

    Loved this bit:

    "On Saturday, White House Deputy Press Secretary Anna Kelly dismissed the papers as a "multi-page lunch menu" and suggested leaving the information on a public printer was not a security breach."

    Followed by:

    "Pages 2 through 5 of the documents listed the names and phone numbers of three U.S. staff members"

    "So if we started calling these three people for comment, that's totally cool with you?"

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Uhh... don't a lot of modern printers have onboard storage where they keep previously printed documents? If so you could probably get a lot more from that printer. Or am I thinking of copiers?

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Something something only the best people?

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  • [–] 64 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It also revealed that Trump intended to give Putin a ceremonial present.

    "POTUS to President Putin," the document states, "American Bald Eagle Desk Statue."

    Pages 2 through 5 listed the names and phone numbers of three U.S. staff members as well as the names of 13 U.S. and Russian state leaders. The list provided phonetic pronouncers for all the Russian men expected at the summit, including "Mr. President POO-tihn."

    Pages 6 and 7 in the packet described how lunch at the summit would be served, and for whom. A menu included in the documents indicated that the luncheon was to be held "in honor of his excellency Vladimir Putin."

    What a worthless traitor. When can we start saying the things we can’t say?

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    We are currently clear on OPSEC.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (27 children)

    I didn't think anyone actually used those business centers.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (25 children)

    You lug your own printer around on trips?

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    He travels in a hotel with wings. I'd be astounded if there's not a printer onboard air force one.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (18 children)

    What do you use, quill and ink?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    How often are you printing things? I don't even own a printer. I spend maybe $0.50 a year printing things at the library.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    Often enough that having a laser printer at home is vastly more convenient than having to make a special trip to the tree pulp store every time I want a physical copy of a document.

    Tax forms, manuals & documentation, tickets & passes, shipping labels, markable documents, patterns ...

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I've never owned a printer, but have always had a job where I could print personal stuff. Highly recommend. My current job, I have a personal laser printer and it's awesome. I use it to print letters, notes for doctor's visits, and craft patterns.

    and there's no way I'd trust my phone enough to not print travel tickets. Paper backups ftw.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    A personal work printer is the dream! I used to print anything that required a large volume of paper on work printers, but now that I rarely visit the office any more, I just blast everything through my nearing-vintage Brother laser (that replaced the HP laser printer from the '90s).

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    Tax forms

    Those are digital

    manuals & documentation

    Also digital

    tickets & passes

    Also digital

    shipping labels, markable documents, patterns

    These are the couple times a year thing that I print. Well, not patterns. Even "markable documents" I usually do digitally with a stylus. How often are you needing to do these things at a hotel?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (12 children)

    Physical backups are not digital. Also, worksheets are easier done with pencil.

    Paper manuals are easier to flip through, dog-ear, and move around.

    Paper copies of tickets don't need batteries or wireless service.

    The last few times I recall that I needed to print things at a hotel, they involved marriage license forms, credit reports and checklists. Most other times I'm visiting a facility that has a printer should I need anything printed.

    Oh, I've also had to print out plenty of hardcopy documents for mailing to various government services over the years, including the IRS and SSA.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago* (11 children)

    Physical backups are not digital

    Not needed, you can backup digitally

    Paper manuals are easier to flip through, dog-ear, and move around

    Digital is much easier to search with ctrl+f and can be fed to a RAG so you can ask your favorite LLM questions about it

    Paper copies of tickets don't need batteries or wireless service

    Traveling with a power bank is normal and you can save tickets to your offline wallet on your phone

    The last few times I recall that I needed to print things at a hotel, they involved marriage license forms, credit reports

    There is zero chance I'm trusting the security of hotel equipment with those sorts of paperwork.

    Oh, I've also had to print out plenty of hardcopy documents for mailing to various government services over the years, including the IRS and SSA.

    Right, the once every other year sort of thing and why most people don't need a printer. I've only needed physical print outs for the IRS once. I gather all those forms digitally, encrypt them, and send them to my tax guy.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (10 children)

    Digital backups work until your provider decides you don't matter as a customer. Paper backups are also easier to flip through. Glad you agree with me about worksheets, though.

    I neither need nor want to slopify information. I don't need to search a dozen-page document that I can flip through and move to various benches and worksites.

    A sheet of paper takes up much, much less space than a powerbank.

    All of your credit information has been leaked by Equifax ten times over already. A hotel printer ain't shit.

    Does your "tax guy" handle every single interaction between you and every government agency?

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Digital backups work until your provider decides you don't matter as a customer

    Don't rely on a provider. And I have no idea what you even mean by worksheets, so I have zero opinion.

    I neither need nor want to slopify information. I don't need to search a dozen-page document that I can flip through and move to various benches and worksites.

    This strongly depends on what you're doing. I wish the papers I have to reference were only 12 pages.

    A sheet of paper takes up much, much less space than a powerbank.

    I'm carrying the power bank when traveling regardless

    Does your "tax guy" handle every single interaction between you and every government agency?

    How much do I need to interact with the government? Taxes probably are by far the most I interact with the government. Wither it is the IRS, Secretary of State, or DNR. All of which do digital or have the physical forms at their office, no printer required.

    Look, it's obvious some people need a printer. Wither they actually need or just want the convenience like you do. I would bet most people don't and I think fewer and fewer people do have them these days. That's all kind of irrelevant to the use of a hotel business center anyway. It's even more irrelevant when talking about the president who has an entire team of communication people that do bring the equipment they need with them. It's vanishingly rare to need that business center, even if you do trust it, and it's completely inexcusable for a government official. It's also weird how hung up on a joke you've become.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Ask an LLM what a worksheet is, then. Glad you tacitly agree about the ease of referencing a paper copy, though.

    I frequently reference manuals that range from one page to the order of five thousand pages. The shorter ones are clearly more easy to use without a device in the way.

    How much are you on your phone that you need a power bank to get through a normal day? I think there's a separate underlying issue here. Also, I just happened to buy some tickets that had no digital wallet option, so I printed them out for ease. No need to fumble around with a phone and dig for a PDF when I can just whip a piece of paper out of my pocket in a fraction of a second.

    Not even all correspondence with the IRS is e-filing. The SSA I explicitly mentioned also does lots of physical paperwork. And I forgot, the other day I got a form that I need to print and mail for some lab work my wife needs to send out. Pretty difficult to digitize samples.

    It's weird how hung up you've become on the fact that printing is common and useful.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Ask an LLM what a worksheet is

    No thanks, I don't care what it is.

    you tacitly agree about the ease of referencing a paper copy

    It strongly depends on use case

    How much are you on your phone that you need a power bank to get through a normal day

    Lol, thanks for making my point for me? A normal day you don't need to worry about battery life. I specified traveling.

    No need to fumble around with a phone and dig for a PDF when I can just whip a piece of paper out of my pocket

    The thing is, you flip that statement around and it still makes sense. No need to fumble around with a piece of paper that I have to protect from the elements and getting destroyed or lost when I can just open the pdf on my phone.

    Not even all correspondence with the IRS is e-filing

    I didn't say it was... But, my tax guy is there for that.

    The SSA I explicitly mentioned also does lots of physical paperwork

    Not a ton of people constantly dealing with the SSA.

    And I forgot, the other day I got a form that I need to print and mail for some lab work my wife needs to send out. Pretty difficult to digitize samples

    Wtf, all medical paperwork is digital these days. They usually create a portal for you that includes your results, records, and billing.

    You're still completely ignoring the intent of the joke and the context of the conversation in an extreme attempt to justify to yourself your own use of a printer. If you want to use a printer and the hotel printer, have at it.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (6 children)

    tl;dr

    You've lost your grip on reality, kid.

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    You reject our reality and substitute your own.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Sure thing bud. Still waiting to hear what this has to do with the joke and the president's staff.

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  • 👊🇺🇸🔥

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Here's a conspiracy theory. They were left there by Russians, not Americans.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Oh yeah this kind of clumsy incompetence is not something this administration is capable of. Ffs.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    That or they are such traitors that they were given to the Russians. Or so incompetent they were stolen by the Russians. No matter though, when the best case scenario is mere incompetence, the outlook is very grim indeed.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    That pronounciation guide though....

    PUTIN

    POO-tihn

    POO

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    [–] 71 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You don't just not leave things at printers. You never use a printer that's not properly secured for the level of documents you're printing. Like, ever.

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  • [–] 63 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Welcome to the new US government of true DEI hires.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The first page in the printed packet disclosed the sequence of meetings for August 15, including the specific names of the rooms inside the base in Anchorage where they would take place. It also revealed that Trump intended to give Putin a ceremonial present.

    "POTUS to President Putin," the document states, "American Bald Eagle Desk Statue."

    Pages 2 through 5 listed the names and phone numbers of three U.S. staff members as well as the names of 13 U.S. and Russian state leaders. The list provided phonetic pronouncers for all the Russian men expected at the summit, including "Mr. President POO-tihn."

    Pages 6 and 7 in the packet described how lunch at the summit would be served, and for whom. A menu included in the documents indicated that the luncheon was to be held "in honor of his excellency Vladimir Putin."

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  • [–] 53 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    But Hillary's emails and Obama's tan suit!

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  • Kakistocracy.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    Honestly I wouldn't be if this was another planned media distraction.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    So, was the 'bald eagle statue' gift properly laced with listening devices? :-p

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Definitely got tossed out the window on takeoff

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    I like to think this was some fed up staffer pulling some quiet sabotage, but maybe that's wishful thinking...

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    That bald eagle statue has a direct line to putins office I guarantee it

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    He who drinks with the enemy while his ally bleeds is no hero but a fool. You grant him honor while he seeks to burn your and your ally’s home. No word of peace holds meaning while his sword is still raised against those who stand with you.

    Install troops in Ukraine and show Putin already god damn it. That makes putin mad? Good that will make EU more unified. And its not like putin is gonna drop nuclear bombs or attack the west cause thats suicide. So bring him to his knees.

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    [–] 80 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    ... They used a hotels printer to print sensitive documents???

    Brother in Christ. Yes, good, network printers are a bastion of security.

    Little old me could have legitimately intercepted that if they printed it while connected to a hotel wifi.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Don't copiers have hdds that copy everything scans and printed into them?

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    Many do have internal memory. Agencies that need to copy sensitive documents will have them removed. If that is not possible, copyer goes on a list when it is procured so that when it is sold or trashed someone has to go take the drive out and shred it.

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  • [–] 67 points 1 year ago

    Opsec so clean you could defund your public media

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  • [–] 57 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The level of ineptitude is almost as great as the level of corruption.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Look, I'm frankly shocked that the ONLY thing of real sensitive value left there was names and numbers of members there.

    This is the group that accidentally brought a rando in on a secret channel for a military strike, at this point I would have been less shocked if the printer had a stack of F-35 blueprints.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago

    Exceedingly competent work, as always.

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    Say there were one person willing, and able to do it. Would it have been beneficial for the state of the world? This is a genuine question

    Like, yes, obviously it likely would have been beneficial for Ukraine and possibly even the Russian people (in the long run), but it would also break the promise of diplomatic safety, and would that lead to better outcomes for the world long term?

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    "it would be so embarrassing to say my boss' name wrong."

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    Is the silent “h” necessary in the phonetic pronunciation of Poo-tin’s name?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Here's my prediction of what will happen

    1. This will slowly (or rapidly) make its waves through the papers until it's being brought up and sensationalized by Instagram and TikTok influencers. Some girl will go viral talking about it overlayed over a shitty screenshot of the article.
    2. The comments will be full of people continuing to shout about Epstein and Gaza in the comments (not that I necessarily disagree), mixed in with right wing bots calling it a lunch menu (private accounts with thousands of followers, generic pictures, and Jesus captions)
    3. Trump will boast about how we have THE BESTEST national security
    4. The federal government will devote all their energy into finding out who this guest is, down to subpoenas and/or extortion, assuming the hotel doesn't immediately capitulate
    5. By this point half the population will have forgotten about it, but Trump won't be happy until everyone is silent. He will do something big to distract from this + the Epstein files, like sending the military into Mexico
    6. Rinse and repeat
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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Something something buttery males

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    People get arrested for less than this.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Clowns gonna clown, right?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    We can just stop pretending we hold our government leaders and law enforcement to any standard of professionalism at all.

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    [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    Trump and his band of incompetent amateurs....

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    I wonder how many bugs POO-tihns spooks planted while this big diplomatic circlejerk went down.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Trump probably handed out national secrets as party favors to Putin.

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