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[–] 163 points 1 year ago (10 children)

We understand that moving to a new PC can take time,” Microsoft says, “and we’re here to support you throughout the process.

actually i installed linux mint over windows on a friday evening and it wasn't that time consuming at all.

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  • [–] [S] 56 points 1 year ago* (8 children)

    heh nice. Mint is great and easy to install. I like PopOS/debian depending on what im doing.

    Remember when Microsoft said no Windows 11? https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-32658340

    Such a money grab.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    honestly the hardest part was realising microsoft had a dumb bitlocker thing and having to search for the key (thankfully it was in my microsoft account)

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    That's my main reason for not pursuing a VM version yet. While I rarely go into the WIndows side now, I don't want anything to show a different usage and give them a reason to lock the Windows part. I ran into something like that a few years ago, had to go through all sorts of validation with the Microsoft account to get things running right again. Wow, it almost sounds like holding the computer hostage.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    This continually gets passed around, but it's the result of bad journalism. It was a comment made by one of the developers and was never an official comment/statement from Microsoft.

    https://www.pcworld.com/article/394724/why-is-there-a-windows-11-if-windows-10-is-the-last-windows.html

    Just adding for the record that I despise Microsoft, so I'm not trying to defend them. Just always see this referenced and figure it's better to set the record straight.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    It was someone speaking on behalf of MS and MS didn't really work to change the perception. They can hide behind the "not an official statement" argument, but you shouldn't spread their message. They did it on purpose, and used it for false advertising. It only isn't illegal because they sent the message through unofficial channels, but then purposefully let it spread.

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  • [–] 72 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Lol I remember getting this the first time I tried upgrading to Win 10, pretty much the first day it was released. I just wanted to escape Win 8 hell hole and then... Something happened.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    i would've been fine with 8.1, you could tweak out all the annoying stuff and then it just looked like 7 but worked better, no resource manager crashes or whatever it (explorer.exe) was called. and it didn't fight me like 10 did

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  • [–] 56 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    So thankful Steam made Linux a viable option. Made the switch 6 months ago. Haven’t found a game I can’t run yet. Computer overall runs smoother even.

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  • [–] 53 points 1 year ago (18 children)

    If you really definitely gotta stick with windows for some reason: LTSC + massgrave for activation

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Beyond pirating, is there a straightforward way to obtain ltsc? Can it be run as an update or does it require a clean installation?

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    No. It's the best fork that is not supposed to be within reach for us "unworthy individual users".

    (Although since massgrave allows you to activate it perpetually it doesn't really matter how many steps they throw for the "right way" XD)

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    If you really gotta stick with windows, you upgrade to windows 11. ESU is fine for a bit, but everyone will start dropping support for windows 10 in the next couple of years, starting with nvidia in 2026. LTSC is not for regular users.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (9 children)
  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    You can take a look at the windows 7 situation if you want a preview of what to expect in the next few years if you stick with windows 10. The other option is linux, we have penguin plushies.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    You can take a look at the windows 7 situation if you want a preview of what to expect in the next few years if you stick with windows 10

    Still no.

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    Just switch to Linux. You don't have to hope that you don't get left behind, and you actually control your system. If you're willing to deal with LTSC then you're more than capable of installing Linux and running a VM if you really need Windows.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    If people really need Windows, they might need an actual machine running Windows because the VM won't work with their use case. I still use old hardware that doesn't work in a VM so it's running on a dedicated PC that, thankfully, doesn't need to connect to the internet nor be upgraded to Windows 11.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    There are a few use cases, but generally very few and far between. The people who need it already know, so it doesn't need to be brought up every time. If you don't know you need it then you don't.

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  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago

    Fuck em. Install Linux.

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  • [–] 60 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    As I warned might happen, this free ESU u-turn has triggered a reversal in Windows 11’s recent fortunes, at least according to Statcounter’s indicative data. And while it’s still marginally head of its retiring sibling, Windows 11 is moving in the wrong direction. A free ESU is laudable, but it should have been limited to PCs that cannot upgrade.

    Go fuck yourself, Forbes and contributor Zak Doffman.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    There are ads in Windows even if you pay extra for the Pro version.....

    God, they are finding even more places to add ads?!?

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  • [–] 54 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The only free Windows update is to install Linux.

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  • [–] [S] 16 points 1 year ago

    I wonder if the Tarrif + linux news might be spooking them a bit.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The best message I see on my gaming PC is "Your system does not meet the requirements for Windows 11" 🤗

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Also switched to Linux (popos) this month. It's been fine. Games work. Browser works. No complaints, really.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I installed it on my old laptop. I'm happy it's breathing new life into it, but the Pop_Shop is SO SLOW.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It really is. If you don't mind potential instability, upgrade to the latest alpha build. I haven't had a single crash in months, and cosmic desktop is already way better than Gnome, and Cosmic Store (pop shop replacement) is very fast.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    I installed Bazzite last June. That the local account is just a fact of life made the installation process easier than Windows. KDE (the interface) feels snappier than Windows. Also, the auto-hide Start menu doesn't get stuck anymore. The Win 11 Start menu won't hide when you want them to, and hides when you didn't want it to every single time you accidentally move the mouse cursor to the bottom. I hate that I had to reach for the keyboard every time, while watching videos and such. That drove me nuts. When your wi-fi or bluetooth is not working, Win10 and 11 love to pretend they don't exist, so you can't fix them unless you reboot. So many things they can fix, but most of their project teams are probably focused on adding new bullshit or integrating Office/Teams/Copilot into everything, because the OS is no longer the product.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    I've been running unactivated win 10 for years. The ad in Windows update saying 11 is free has been there for months. I tried installing it and... It's a lie.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    The windows 11 installer is hot garbage if you're not a mono windows set-up.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    Windows 10 deleted my PopOS bootloader, again

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Do you dual boot off the same drive or have separate drives and this issue occurred anyway?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    First time, I had same drive. Then I read that it is better to have different drives, so second time I installed Windows on a different drive. It still managed to mess up Linux.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    AFAIK, you need to use seperate drives and install the OSes in such a way that each drive has its own EFI partition. (Installing with the other drive disconnected is the easy way.) Then only use your UEFI boot selection menu to choose which drive to boot from.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Microsoft has expanded its free Extended Security Updates (ESU) offer to millions more Windows 10 users. Following the mandatory KB5063709 update, users can now see an “Enroll in Extended Support Updates” option, valid until October 2026. While paid plans start at $30 for up to 10 PCs, most users will likely choose the free offer, linking ESU to their Microsoft account and OneDrive.

    The program aims to protect Windows 10 devices after official support ends, helping users transition to newer systems. Microsoft acknowledges that moving to a new PC can take time, and the ESU is meant to bridge that gap. Although an earlier bug caused crashes in the enrollment wizard, this issue has now been fixed.

    However, the free ESU may slow Windows 11 adoption. Recent market share data from Statcounter suggests the shift from Windows 10 to Windows 11 has stalled, with the latter even losing ground. Critics argue that free ESU should have been limited to PCs unable to upgrade.

    Separately, Microsoft warns that Windows 11 version 23H2 will reach end of support on November 11, 2025. Users must upgrade to version 24H2 or 25H2 to continue receiving security updates.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Separately, Microsoft warns that Windows 11 version 23H2 will reach end of support on November 11, 2025. Users must upgrade to version 24H2 or 25H2 to continue receiving security updates.

    Windows 11 23H2 was the last version that supported Windows Mixed Reality. They're really in a hurry to kill WMR.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    https://github.com/mbucchia/Oasis-Driver-for-Windows-Mixed-Reality

    Theres a sort of replacement out there, closed source, nvidia only (AMD might come later though)

    Still sucks they're ripping WMR out. My G2 was awesome for the 150$ I spent on it.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    could I get a bit of context for this? not well read in VR things

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    A bunch of VR headsets (including fairly expensive ones) used Windows Mixed Reality as their API to the OS. Without it, many of these headsets simply do not function. Turning your very expensive purchase into a paperweight.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Microsoft got companies like Samsung, HP and Lenovo to make WMR VR headsets that require the WMR Windows components. There is official support for Steam VR, but the headsets don't work if the WMR components aren't there, and after November there will be no officially supported version of Windows with those components. From what I've read it's basically impossible to get WMR working on 10 LTSC, and I assume the situation is the same on 11 LTSC.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Separately, Microsoft warns that Windows 11 version 23H2 will reach end of support on November 11, 2025.

    I.e., the one that still supports WMR virtual reality headsets and hasn't had the functionality for those artificially pulled.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    Win 10 IoT LTSC 2021 is supported until 2032. the ESU is literally just security updates they will be doing anyway.

    if you have any windows software that can't be replaced and needs to be online running IoT is one solution.

    protip: Windows runs faster under a VM in Linux than on bare metal. True facts.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    No, it doesn't. Any VM is going to be slower than bare metal due to the host OS overhead and restrictions in some hardware access.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    FWIW, while it's not a VM, games for Windows do tend to have higher performance in Proton on Linux than they do in Windows 11.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    It is highly hardware and game dependent. I can run any game that came before 2019 on my 1060 on both with similar performance. Anything that came after that is hit or miss. For example, Until Dawn remake does not launch on linux but runs smooth (barring some menu hangs) on Windows 10.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    it's just a meme ... with a kernel of truth.

    when running as your main OS windows very quickly gets bogged down with everything you want to run on it.

    in a VM you're only running the 1 thing you need on a fresh install, potentially a screenshot of that fresh install so it's always running at peak.

    does this make up for the host overhead? maybe ... Linux has never struggled under base load for me like windows has.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    when running as your main OS windows very quickly gets bogged down with everything you want to run on it.

    in a VM you're only running the 1 thing you need on a fresh install, potentially a screenshot of that fresh install so it's always running at peak.

    Well this is a big difference lol

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    XP was when they jumped the shark, moved away and to Linux then. It is waaaay too late to give a shit what Microsoft does.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I want to switch to Linux but 3 things hold me back atm ,

    My sound card having only very basic support under Linux.

    Lossless scaling being more a limited hobby project under Linux.

    And gamepass not working

    And maybe a few games which won't work due to ac.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Your sound card would probably work without issue. Don’t rely on the manufacturers website about drivers when it comes to that.

    For gamepass, you have to either give that up, play on Xbox, or stay with windows. That’s something that Microsoft’s will never support on Linux.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Nah my sound card looses 95% of functionality on linux and a huge chunk of it's quality with that.

    its such a big loss of features , it would be worse than most on board sound cards on windows with their drivers installed ( they have atleast some functionality )

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago