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[–] 218 points 1 year ago (14 children)

None of these are things I want in an OS.

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  • [–] 125 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Yup, I want "unobtrusive, lightweight, compatible, and secure." Basically, the best case for an OS is that I don't notice it.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Windows XP was the greatest OS of all time.

    All we're doing now is wandering away from perfection.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Good thing he didn't actually say it would be the next Windows doing any of those things. He didn't even say it would be the OS:

    "I think we will see computing become more ambient, more pervasive, continue to span form factors, and certainly become more multi-modal in the arc of time ... I think experience diversity is the next space where we will continue to see voice becoming more important. Fundamentally, the concept that your computer can actually look at your screen and is context aware is going to become an important modality for us going forward."

    The important and scarier part is actually the last sentence, not anything from the article title.

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  • [–] 112 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Microsoft really doing everything in their power to make sure I never buy another Windows PC.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    I setup a Windows 11 laptop for a friend yesterday, I cannot believe the amount of ads built into the new user experience which are disguised as installation options.

    I had to find the tiny, low contrast skip button to avoid signing up for more cloud storage, a Copilot subscription, and an Office365 subscription before I was even able to see the desktop.

    The entire left side of the start bar seens to be a news feed which shows ads, opening an Office app requires closing a Copilot ad unless you disable it (individually for every application), it's impossible to create a local user account, it looks like the user folder defaults to their cloud storage so just saving things into your document folder will eventually result in scary "You're almost out of space, buy more here!" ads disguised as system promots, and your bitlocker recovery key is saved in your Microsoft account.

    That's just what I noticed in the first 20 minutes.

    I'm so glad I ejected from that dumpster fire of an OS.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    And the normies know nothing different and nothing will change. As we get further to to ad hellscape and they find it normal, we will be the only ones screaming that they are insane for having so many ads.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I can only save myself.

    I have successfully converted a friend to Linux though. I walked him through an Arch install becacause it's easier to teach about the boot process when you're required to manually install everything.

    He quickly discovered EndeavourOS, apparently manual Arch installs are not to his taste...

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  • [–] 72 points 1 year ago (26 children)

    Micro$oft doing this has been the best thing for Linux and MacOS

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  • [+] -45 points 1 year ago (25 children)

    Honestly I think we missed the moment when Linux went the wrong path too.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    don't feed the troll, that comment makes it clear they have zero understanding of what Linux is if they make generalize it like it is one thing.

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  • [+] -34 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    It is one thing. FreeBSD and NetBSD are not one thing. Linux is one thing.

    And I meant Linux, not distributions and userlands, so you're the troll here.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    So I'm curious. If you mean the Linux kernel, when and how do you think it went off down the wrong path?

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  • [+] -19 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Around year 1999. No particular reason, just it seems to have gained recognition and approval among the big fish then.

    If by "when" you mean analytically, then when it stopped being "a hobby project started by a Finnish student with participation of volunteers from all around the world" and became one of the houses of power.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Oh. It's you again. Good to see your shallow takes haven't changed.

    Can't you have the foresight to actually read and research why things like the FOSS projects we rely on are validated? Linux is owned by no one, and is used by everyone who wants to. Plain and simple. More adoption and more contributors means a better experience for the end user and the developer.

    Corporate users are a feature, not a bug, and if anything, their adoption does more to cement the success of the project more than anything else. Plus, the Linux kernel can be wrapped into many different distros designed for transparency, why not pick your favorite one, instead of the "corporate standard"?

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Oh. It’s you again. Good to see your shallow takes haven’t changed.

    I don't remember you, but I get Dunning-Krueger vibes from things you write which seem to be typical "Linux as a success story" quotes without insight.

    Can’t you have the foresight to actually read and research

    I prefer to observe them in the wild. I mean, that is what's called research, but it strongly seems that you by research mean something else.

    why things like the FOSS projects we rely on are validated? Linux is owned by no one, and is used by everyone who wants to.

    This is as fallacious as "scientific communism" and for the same reason. Because there are dimensions of this where the general consensus of those actually applying resources is neutrality, where it works as you say, and there are dimensions where it's not.

    Or you might read that Karl Popper's article on the blind zones of dialectics. Corporate participation in a big common open project works similarly to dialectics.

    Corporate users are a feature, not a bug, and if anything, their adoption does more to cement the success of the project more than anything else.

    Having a stronger Prussia did nothing of the sort for the HRE, and having Ustinov as minister of defense with all his power did nothing of the sort for the USSR, and Google did nothing of the sort for the Web.

    But I prefer to live this through with many things today, rather than try to fix it to my limited ability.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Took you off the blocklist 'cause you're a great source of entertainment. Really elevates my day after my morning coffee.

    I lurk a lot, and I tend to remember names in active communities after a few days. There's some amazing people in our communities, who contribute in good faith and with rational citations.

    And then there's you. Refusing to perform a simple trip to Wikipedia to find the proper evidence in writing that validated the "Typical Linux success story" to begin with.

    Let me save you the trip by the way: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel (Wikipedia article)

    https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/LICENSES/preferred/GPL-2.0 (Direct link to the GPL 2.0 license, since you likely don't have the initiative to scroll 10% down the page)

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus%27s_law (Linus's law Wikipedia article, take the time to read and download The Cathedral and The Bazaar so you can read arguments for the current model that aren't fresh from your ass)

    Oh and Caesar from Fallout: New Vegas called, he wants his misrepresentation of dialectics and philosophy back, you ignoramus prick.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/LICENSES/preferred/GPL-2.0 (Direct link to the GPL 2.0 license, since you likely don’t have the initiative to scroll 10% down the page)

    It's very telling to even expect that someone here doesn't know what GPL is.

    take the time to read and download The Cathedral and The Bazaar so you can read arguments for the current model that aren’t fresh from your ass

    It's probable that I've been a Linux user and interested in it for longer than you, and I've read Raymond's thing at least 12 years ago. I've also read some counterarguments.

    BTW, at this current point in time I'm again closer to the "bazaar" than to the "cathedral" side of the argument. And Linux isn't.

    In general, having a text in support of something is not a final argument. Honestly it's weird to encounter it being used as such from someone who's likely literate more than in first generation.

    I'm fine with arguments fresh from my ass if those are more than you can present. And that's how arguments among intelligent people work, FYI.

    Oh and Caesar from Fallout: New Vegas called, he wants his misrepresentation of dialectics and philosophy back, you ignoramus prick.

    It's unfortunate that your intelligence doesn't allow you to see how clumsy this is, to call someone names instead of, again, providing arguments.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I just read this whole thread and holy shit you sound insufferable.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    That's why it's so entertaining to read and reply to comments like those lol. Could be genuine confusion, could be fake and bot generated, or could be takes that make you think they're smoking that shit that made Stevie wonder.

    Then you see the reply, and that's when you know for sure! XD

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You probably should be busy in manual agricultural work then.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I am genuinely unsure if you're so out of touch that you think the average lemmy user doesn't deserve to have opinions that deviate from your own (otherwise they're uneducated, uncultured swine to you, apparently), or you're so high on your ego, a hit stronger than a laced joint, that your only way to respond is to elevate your podium and attempt to lower your opposition's.

    Hello from the second day by the way. Coffee was delicious.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I am genuinely unsure if you’re so out of touch that you think the average lemmy user doesn’t deserve to have opinions that deviate from your own (otherwise they’re uneducated, uncultured swine to you, apparently), or you’re so high on your ego, a hit stronger than a laced joint, that your only way to respond is to elevate your podium and attempt to lower your opposition’s.

    Neither, I just wanted you to substantiate your opinions instead of making up sophisticated insults, and since you didn't, did the same. I don't care if a specific opinion deviates from mine, is similar to mine, is completely opposite or orthogonal or however one could describe full disconnect between our realities, I engage in arguments to get some valuable matter of discussion.

    It's also kinda hard to be friendly when someone isn't even trying.

    Hello from the second day by the way. Coffee was delicious.

    More of a tea person, honestly, don't like how coffee affects my blood pressure and ability to concentrate. But good for you.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Linux is a family of open source Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel

    https://www.linux.org/pages/download/

    fuck off, one thing LOL

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  • [+] -24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yes, and the same can be said about Windows NT, yet it's called one thing. Honestly I think I'm getting tired of American intelligence.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Linux is only "one thing" if you're a kernel/driver developer. And even then, Linux via Android (linux fork) is completely different from the normal one.

    As a user land developer, you can have glibc or musl, initd or systemd. Is dbus being used? They all work differently.

    Windows is one thing to support. Linux has countless configurations.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    As a user land developer, you can have glibc or musl, initd or systemd. Is dbus being used? They all work differently.

    I would expect Windows RT and Windows CE to somewhat differ too. Despite being NT.

    Why would an application developer care about the init system? Start scripts and units for demonized stuff can be honestly made by users and maintainers, if that's expected to be packaged. If it's not, it's half an hour of googling to make functional enough ones for most purposes.

    DBus is such a common thing that there are applications not working without it running, and nobody really complains. You can assume it is, or you can ignore its existence. That's changed by installing\uninstalling DBus. Not a difference between two operating systems, LOL.

    glibc or musl - yeah. Different enough. Still the OS is the same, can use a musl chroot from a glibc system. Can use as many chroots as you want.

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  • [+] -28 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    It's an enormous centralized project upon which much of the world depends.

    And if you think you can find an intentionally put backdoor in a buttfuckazillion lines of code without even looking, purely by intuition or trusting some random security specialists from the news, then I think you've lost the way.

    It's too complex and runs on too complex hardware. Honestly if we are going to look at any FOSS project with such hope, it should become a democracy first. A friendly reminder - Linux is a benevolent dictatorship, funded by corporations.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You’re right. Delete computer. Return to monkey.

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  • [+] -20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    People were doing complex surgeries, making fighter jets, submarines and spaceships without what you seem to call a computer.

    Also I can't return to being an American because I've never been one.

    And C64 is a computer, Radio-86RK is a computer, Amiga 500 is a very good computer.

    Supersonic passenger planes have been built, before personal computers becoming anything common, but aren't operated today.

    And you most likely don't live in a more than 60 story building, despite such being built.

    And deliberately reducing your comfort is sometimes valuable, not everything should be entertainment.

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  • [–] 61 points 1 year ago

    Microsoft does the best viral marketing for Linux.

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  • [–] 59 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    The next version of Debian won't be more ambient and pervasive. It would be just the same as it is today.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    No way! I've updated to Debian 13 two days ago, and I've got two (!) new lockscreen wallpapers, and you can even configure lockscreen to download picture of the day from Flickr or Bing. Also taskbar has rounded corners, which I'm ambivalent about.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I installed arch recently, and the steam client was pretty easy to install. What really shocked me is that all the stuff that works fine on my steam deck also works fine in arch, so that's nice

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Well makes sense, steamos is arch based right?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    to be honest that's exactly why I'm on arch and not ubuntu or cntos. Ironically it was gpt that helped me get it set up and it would have had a lot more trouble without it, but now that the job is done I don't want it hanging around in the OS like 'hey buddy squeaking past ya gettn a beer'

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Ahh I saw bazzite and was like, might as well be that one. I don't know if I have a preference for immutable/atomic setups yet, but so far I'm enjoying it. Kde plasma is awesome, setting up my own key shortcuts is great, audio device management is super cool. Bazzite has a Bazzar for flatpaks built in with a bunch of cool gaming related stuff.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    What the fuck? I thought Debian should be stabile? Are they too stupid to get that maybe, people have mounted the wallpaper folder onto another Partition, and now they have to repartition everything?

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    ambient: we will do things without asking

    pervasive: we want to be everywhere in your life

    multi-modal: and by everywhere we mean FUCKING EVERYWHERE

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The thought of relying on Microsoft services for something sends shivers down my spine.

    Then I remember there are adults in this world using Outlook to keep their agendas, paying for MSN news, people BOUGHT MEDIA AND SOFTWARE from the built in stores Microsoft created and abandoned. I can't imagine it.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    The thought of relying on Microsoft services for something sends shivers down my spine.

    government (including most chillingly, international governments) and hospitals pretty much all use microsoft tools - outlook, sharepoint, etc - to run huge parts of their organisations

    that’s the truly scary part

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago

    It's funny cause "ambient, pervasive, multi-modal" are all words used when envisioning the future applications of AI, so you know some marketing smuck glanced over the literature (or probably asked an AI to do so for him) and chose them with little care as to how the new Windows will embody these qualities. I am so tired of salesmen,marketing,word salads and entrepreneurship.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    voice as input? lol, can you imagine a busy office with workers all talking at the same time? this is stupid. MS is stupid. I'll stick to Linux thanks.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Never been happier to be 100% on Linux.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Switch about 6 months ago, so happy to read these articles and shrug at them now. I gotta say it's weird there's only like 2.5% of us

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Microsoft could literally make "gargle the balls of Bill Gates" a login requirement and the masses would still use Windows.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    the way things are, things have to be completely unusable for the average user to care. people are still on reddit and twitter and facebook after all.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The average user no longer uses a PC at all.

    There are lots of us, but we are not the majority. The average user is quite literally doing everything from their phone, and they don't care about any OS.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Wtf kinda language are they speaking? None of those words should be used to describe an operating system.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    "We listened very carefully to everything our customers wanted, and then we cranked out this impossible to use fucking piece of shit" - The Onion (for Sony, but it applies here)

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago*

    In the interview, Davuluri is asked how AI is going to change the way we interact with computers. Here's what he had to say on the matter:

    "I think we will see computing become more ambient, more pervasive, continue to span form factors, and certainly become more multi-modal in the arc of time ... I think experience diversity is the next space where we will continue to see voice becoming more important. Fundamentally, the concept that your computer can actually look at your screen and is context aware is going to become an important modality for us going forward."

    Watch out Satya Nadella, this guy's coming for your job as Head of Corporate Bullshit.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago

    Fundamentally, the concept that your computer can actually look at your screen and is context aware is going to become an important modality for us going forward."

    Ah, so now having my computer spy on me is a feature, gotcha

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    What the fuck does ambient even mean in the context of an operating system? Is it going to be floating around in the atmosphere of my flat? Is the next version of windows gaseous? Is it sarin gas?

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  • [+] 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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    Enterprise customers I guess.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago

    Dear Microsoft.

    Your operating system only exists because I have a need to click and type into business things in a quiet office.

    Please stop fucking this up.

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    That was said by some random Microsoft employee who had no official capacity to say something like that, and the whole thing sounded like they meant to say "latest" anyway. It is and was a worthless statement that got way more attention than it deserved.

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