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[–] 208 points 1 year ago (29 children)

They’re really targeting California as a whole now. The state that supported the union so much over history. Republicans must really feel jealous that it is the richest state.

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  • [+] 106 points 1 year ago* (26 children)
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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    New California Republic (or NCR for short)

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    and now for the anthem:

    wp:I Love You, California

    wc:File:"I Love You, California", by Knickerbocker Quartet and Elizabeth Spencer (cusb-cyl5053d).oga

    I.

    I love you, California, you're the greatest state of all.

    I love you in the winter, summer, spring and in the fall.

    I love your fertile valleys; your dear mountains I adore.

    I love your grand old ocean and I love her rugged shore.

    ​

    Chorus

    When the snow crowned Golden Sierras

    Keep their watch o'er the valleys bloom,

    It is there I would be in our land by the sea,

    Every breeze bearing rich perfume.

    It is here nature gives of her rarest. It is Home Sweet Home to me,

    And I know when I die I shall breathe my last sigh

    For my sunny California.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    Can USians at least try to save their country without immediately calling for secession? It's so strange that people want to leave the States and break it apart without first making an effort.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Balkanization would be good for the states. Well, it would be good for some of the states, and for the world as a whole; it would be really bad for the people of the future Mormon Theocracy or whatever

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Because the effort is no longer worthwhile. This country is irrevocably broken.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    What was germany after ww2 then?

    If the country is irrevocably broken how do you ensure a peaceful relationship when there's two?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    T bag loves a good wall. The problem every time secession comes up is it's not north vs south anymore, it's city versus rural. I live in a small city in one of the most conservative states in the US. My state voted for Trump by the highest margin in the nation, both times.

    From where I'm sitting right now on my porch, I can see two pride flags flying in my immediate neighborhood. Our mayor is a Democrat and she's actually not horrible.

    But if you go just a bit outside the city, those pride flags are replaced by traitor flags. You almost completely stop seeing nonwhite people, just a bit outside the tiny cities.

    It's not that bad everywhere, but if you think there aren't a shitload of bootlicking fascists in rural California you will be very surprised. 38% of the state voted for Trump. More than 15 Roughly 6 million Californians. EDIT- I mathed bad

    I don't know what's going to happen, but I doubt secession is in the cards for anyone unless the Union is dissolved.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I like to remind people that 38% of votes is not 38% of the population approving of him. you have to consider that not all the eligible population voted, and those who are non-eligible likely aren't licking his boots either. closer to 15% of the CA population voted for Trump, just over 6 million votes.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    No, it's not. Nothing irreversible has happened yet. People have been saying this since Dubya. I was there when people threatened to leave with every election, saying they would move to Canada because the country was done for, and it got so old so fast.

    Consider that the only thing you're doing is completing a self-fulfilling prophecy if you don't resist.

    And honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if some Russian social engineering campaign is encouraging people to follow this trend by repeating it on social media. Do not give in.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    There is so much rot in congress, due to money. The fourth estate (the media) is also rotten to the core, due to money.

    Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission in 2010 is one of the irreversible things that happened already.

    Seceding is probably not the right answer either, but it’s a serious uphill battle for We, the people, to regain control over Congress.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Hi friend, it seems you forgot the post you're in. Don't you think people need a safe space to ensure they won't get taken away for standing up?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    No, the next step isn't accepting what just happened. We need to discuss this and express our anger loud and clear so we can get everyone on the same page and feel the momentum.

    Being quiet is how you get fascist conformity. They can't arrest everyone, and they won't.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago

    No they don't. Keep it all up. Republicans currently in power have destroyed their parties future.

    Since coming to power the damage that has been done to the right has shifted western democracies so hard left they are getting whiplash.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    You threaten to withhold federal taxes.

    Taxes are paid by individuals directly to the federal government. If an individual doesn't pay their federal tax, the federal government goes after that individual. The federal government will take an individual's money right out of their bank account. There's no way for the state to withhold federal payments.

    State taxes are filed separately and don't go to the federal government.

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  • [+] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)
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    I think you need to explain it. Because the vast majority of federal income is from federal income taxes which the state has absolutely no ability to stop. It's between the federal government and the citizen. If the State of California secedes the people still have bank accounts that the federal government will seize.

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  • [–] 168 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Senator Alex Padilla (D-Ca), interrupted and arrested while asking questions of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem related to ICE. She's the former South Dakota governor who spent $5 million of her state's COVID money on a tourism campaign. You might remember the dept of Homeland Security was created (along with the term "homeland") by George "Dubya" Bush after 9/11, as "not a whole new agency" but a reorganization of parts of existing agencies, to coordinate their work (to protect Freedom™). Their budget this year is $107 billion. Sound like a whole lotta coordinatin' goin' on.

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  • [–] 150 points 1 year ago (33 children)

    Apart from the obvious "arresting a senator for asking questions" thing, is whatever's happening on this picture standard procedure for arresting an unarmed, unthreatening person in the US? It looks like they're arresting a terrorist or a dangerous suspect

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  • [–] 112 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    No normally. I think they throw a knee on the neck for 9 to 10 minutes.

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  • [+] 30 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Have you thought about the blue lives?!

    I have. In their current state, they are at the bottom of the list of lives that I care about, with every other living organism on the planet above them. If they work to remove the corrupt, fascist, and clearly unregulated members and leadership from their ranks, then I will reevaluate, until then they can stay there.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Authorities are claiming they were unable to know who he was at the time, and treated him as a potential threat.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    You are going to get to hear that kind of verbiage a lot over the next few years

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Fucking hate cop talk. The language they use in their reports is disgusting. They probably have a template that they just slightly modify. Template is already full of lies.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Yeah, cops are racist as fuck. But they will gladly beat up anyone. Threaten too. I remember when I was a lot younger talking to a cop (i did't know better at the time.) and suddenly he starts resting his hand on his holster and looking at me weird.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    he starts resting his hand on his holster and looking at me weird.

    FYI, in many states that action is very explicitly defined as Assault.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yeah, but if I pulled my gun out and blasted his pig ass I am not going to get off on self defense.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Prosecutors would definitely take that to trial, for sure. But it also depends on your jury. Being acquitted is definitely more likely as the days go by now. A lot of people no longer give law enforcement any sort of benefit of the doubt, often the exact opposite now.

    You just need 1 member of that jury to decide that way and refuse to change their position to hang the jury, and then the prosecutors have to decide whether to bother with a retrial and do it all over again. Any time the first jury is unable to decide, that weighs heavily over any subsequent trial, whether it's supposed to or not.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    When 99% of the police is weaker fatter and more out of shape than the "criminal" this is how they have to do it or everyone would just escape. Handcuff fat ass has the arm rotation of a dollar store action figure and is already out of breath from having to bend down. You can see it in the video.

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  • [–] 150 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    So an unelected figurehead of the federal government has come to my state, had a senator I voted for arrested over asking a question which is his civic duty to ask, and has now made threats at removal of my elected govenor as well as an elected mayor of one of the cities here.

    At which point would these actions be considered tyrannical enough to provide a decent argument for a use of the 2nd amendment in court?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    The 2nd amendment just says the government can't take away your guns. It doesn't say anything about it being okay for you to use them against the government.

    I mean, hell, police kill people all the time, but the courts treat having a gun on your person as a reason the cops had to shoot you. So they can't take away the gun, but they can take away your life for having it.

    Basically you can use it as a security blanket to rock yourself to sleep at night, but get anywhere near the gestapo with it and you die a "terrorist."

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Never, if we accept the intent of the 2nd amendment is to stop a tyrannical us government it does so be making sure you have the means for a rebellion (or the states actually). In that case you would not be judged for your actions like a criminal.

    It of course does not apply to individuals taking action on their own (and they alone would not be able to bring down a regime). The best you could hope is a pardon/amnesty by a new pro democracy president/authority, if you are still alive.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    do me a favor and read what you wrote again. I think you're trying to say something but it's impossible to tell.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The issue is on your end, my message is clear.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    haha you're going to double down? like, I'm really trying to get through that first sentence and it's total gore. at the very least there's some missing punctuation but even when I try to put pauses in places where there should be commas it's just a pile of lost plot. I've tried like 10 times and I don't know why.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    There's some missing punctuation (and typos), in a social media post, written on a mobile phone, the horror! I 've switched to a PC with a proper, physical keyboard.

    I am confused by your mention of pauses, are you reading it aloud and trying to split it when you need to breath? You should be identifying verbs, their subjects and their objects.

    But I doubt either you, or the other downvoters do not actually understand my post. It's far more likely you do, but it offends you.

    It's ironic that pro-democracy Americans can't handle criticism of America's mythology. Even more so, if you understand that using your, 2nd amendment protected, guns to stop tyranny is simply right wing propaganda to conceal their power fantasy of killing people they don't like, with their 2nd amendment provided guns.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    lol wut? in no way do I disagree with left wing politics. I just sincerely struggled to follow the content of the writing. I can usually glean the gist and in this case I could kinda sorta get it. but it really was more of a struggle than usual.

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    [–] 94 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    So when they turn to the camera guy at the end they repeatedly keep saying you're not allowed to record due to FBI rights. That is something I've never heard before.

    Unless they are trying to refer to something from the Patriot act the FBI has the same rights as everyone else.

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  • [–] 86 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

    Who did they handcuff?

    E. Alex Padilla

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  • [–] 116 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    A US Senator. For wanting to ask a question.
    Not joking.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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    She said this just before:

    “We are staying here to liberate this city from the socialist and the burdensome leadership that this governor and that this mayor have placed on this country and what they have tried to insert into this city.”

    So it was probably related to that.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Don't worry, they are setting precedent so that when the hat is on the other side they can cry about it happening to them. I've never understood how the federal government has let the individual states do everything so willy nilly?! It is absurd. It should set the base that everyone reaches or exceeds. That's what a federal government does?!

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    "We are staying here to liberate this city from the socialist and the burdensome leadership that this governor and that this mayor have placed on this country,"

    That's a quote from the press conference.

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  • [–] 76 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    The dumb woman talking said “liberate the city from socialists”. Doesn’t it bother Americans that a person in her position, is so fucking dumb she doesn’t even know what socialism is?

    It reminds me of Putin saying they’ll save Ukraine from nazis.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    The same people that made us share toys and the playground now tell us that sharing things is evil and wrong.

    The same people that said love your neighbors now vote to have our neighbors arrested and deported.

    The same people that said feed the hungry vote to remove school lunches.

    The same people that screamed about 2A "shall not be infringed" and insisting their full auto arsenal was to stand up to a tyrannical govt. Now won't say a word when every other amendment has been completely removed and the govt is tyrannical in every way.

    Ironic.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    For those like me who didn’t know what exactly this was about, here’s a video of the incident:

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=FrOf4_uXKmk&t=30s

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  • Every one of those officers needs to face serious consequences. If they can’t go after trump, go after all these toadies who are willing to play stormtrooper

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    Since the 2001 Patriot Act, the USA trashed their last gram of freedom.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    At least these cops don't have masks.

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