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[–] 136 points 1 year ago (20 children)

thats a stagecoach thing, right?

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  • [–] 123 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Yeah it was bench seating so one guy had the reins and the other had a shotgun. Hence the name.

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  • [–] 65 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    its interesting the slang that persists...

    "i call getting to shoot people!"

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I mean, it's still America.

    I guess the location of the shooting has changed though. It should mean having your desk at the front of the classroom by the teacher's desk now.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    The apocryphal story is actually kind of interesting.

    Roads and right of way established during the pre-firearm era were that you'd ride on the left, with people going the opposite way on your right. This was so you could use your dominant hand (usually your right) to use a sword to defend yourself.

    Roads after firearms were available often established right of way with riding on the right, with oncoming traffic on the left. This is because when you shoulder a firearm on your right shoulder it's easier to aim left.

    Stagecoach drivers would sit in the left seat, with the extra person sitting on the right, holding a shotgun, hence the colloquial term for the front passenger seat.

    I have no idea how true this is, but it makes for an interesting story.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I'd been told it was a gangster thing: passenger seat shoots out the window for a drive-by.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I thought it was a US police thing, because the passenger seat is where the shotgun is commonly holstered.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Now I'd like to know why in France it's la place du Mort, the seat of the dead...

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    While this is probably some bullshit from the horse drawn carriage era, what I'd like to say is that statistically speaking riding shotgun is the most dangerous seat in car crashes, so the saying still works

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago*

    The shotgun Georg, who uses a small motorbike to jump inside 80,000 cars on highway and bites whoever is in the shotgun seat anually; is an outlier and their victims should be excluded from this survey.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Isn't that because a driver will instinctively pull left (instinct to protect their own body) when facing a head on collision in many cases? Also the rate of being thrown from the vehicle, being pierced by objects from outside the vehicle, and the risk of unsecured things (including passengers not belted in - wear your goddamn seatbelt!) flying forward from the back all being higher?

    Not sure how the saying still works if those types of things are the main causes for passengers riding shotgun being statistically higher to get fatally injured

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    La place du mort, c'est pas le siège du milieu a l'arrière ?

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    My kids say "Chewbacca!"

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    you know, it just never comes up. mostly because i'm over 190cm so there's no question of where i get to sit when not driving...

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    NL here. "Shotgun" is a concept, though mostly through Pop Culture Osmosis.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Years ago I read "shotgun wedding" and thought it was common to see a guy having to marry a girl he fucked while her father was there at the side with a rifle.

    Capaz son asi andá a saber...

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    It means "quick marriage because the bride is pregnant" and that is 100% the origin of the phrase.

    Particularly in poorer, rural parts of the USA having a child out of wedlock was incredibly shameful, and the financial burden of a single motherhood was intolerable. So the bride's family would ensure the man responsible married their daughter ... regardless of how he felt about it. Sometimes that meant having a shotgun at the wedding to ensure he didn't run off.

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  • [–] 68 points 1 year ago (19 children)

    Not many countries had to arm the person next to the coach driver to fight off natives defending their country against foreign invaders.

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  • [+] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    No, no, no, this is all wrong. When we discuss immigration and the current situation in the US all Americans are European immigrants.

    When we talk about the genocide of the natives Americans, it was done by Americans, Europeans had nothing to do with it.

    ;-)

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    No, but many needed to protect those passengers from bandits and other assorted outlaws.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Fun fact: Joseph Stalin first became known to Lenin when he organized the successful robbery of a bank stagecoach in Russia. The stagecoaches were heavily protected by armed men riding on the outside of the coach as well as riding horses alongside, but Stalin observed that they tended to relax their guard upon reaching a densely-populated city, on the assumption that revolutionaries would not be willing to injure or kill innocent bystanders.

    This assumption was very wrong in Stalin's case. He had his people lob satchel bombs at the coach and riders after they reached the city, killing most of the guards as well as nearly 100 innocent bystanders in the vicinity. They made off with a huge amount of money, and Lenin congratulated Stalin although he had only planned the operation and not participated in it. The importance of delegation!

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  • [+] 8 points 1 year ago* (7 children)
  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Look, stalin did a lot of things wrong, but robbing banks is pretty cool even with collateral damage.

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  • [+] -1 points 1 year ago* (6 children)
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (5 children)

    money where your mouth is

    I'm actually unbanked!

    innocent

    Totally. Killing innocent people isnt morally sound.

    at a bank

    So you mean coerced into complicity?

    absolutely morally uncomplicated and good to simple binary morality

    That is what cool means, yes. Learn to cope with complexity before getting pissy. If you're going to get precious about innocent dead, maybe talk more about cops and oligarchs.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    Ive been attacked by fascists and cops on multiple occasions. I've been running for my life nonstop for twenty years. I have scars on just about every substantial portion of my body from things you dont consider violent, and scars on my empty heart from dead or irreparably ruined friends, ripped from me by institutions you consider innocent.

    I live in a world of profound violence. I step out my front door each time knowing i could be killed, for any reason or none at all, by the protectors of your banks and their property. I go to sleep each night knowing i could be woken by a battering ram, and be dragged off to decades of torture if they don't kill me on the spot. I dream of friends lost to police dogs i only escaped by chance, dying of infected wounds in the literal shadow of a modern hospital in one of the wealthiest regions to have ever existed, because the bank says they don't deserve care and the triage nurse is sick of seeing them and the easy to get antibiotics were exhausted in animal agriculture to make your line-go-up probably before i was born

    Violence against those systems is cool. It makes me happy. Collateral damage against those complicit isn't something i have strong opinions on, but if you don't see me as human, why should i waste my heart on compassion for your bourgoise ass? I dream of a couple months of red terror against your centuries of white. I think that's cool, even in circumstances where it fails to be too terribly good, like 1917.

    You wanting me dead is nothing new. Your kind has wanted me dead since my parents threw me out, since i was a literal child. Your outrage only tells me you're afraid now. That you know your abbotoir is on fire, and you sold all the fire suppression systems to buy more cops. There will casualties and 'innocents' and even inmocents¹ who die in that fire. I will cherish the beauty and warmth of it all the same, and only wish that I had been the one to set it.

    ¹i remember being one of those! If you gave a shit, you were cheering on everything that damned me. As you are now. Why on earth does someone like you suddenly give a shit what i think? Why on earth do you think someone like you, representing a class and a world that threw me away like fucking trash, are entitled to it?

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  • [+] 0 points 1 year ago* (4 children)
  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The fact you're whining so much but totally disregarding even the possibility of police violence suggests you're just upset that someonw got money they weren't supposed to have.

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  • [+] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Why the fuck do you think you and people like you are entitled to my compassion, when you so freely wish death upon me?

    I really should care if you die, i should be happy about it. By your own admission repeated assertion it would make me safer.

    I don't, again, give a fuck either way-but you're arguing very aggressively that I should. Then scolding me for not having an opinion either way?

    Also, not to be a pedant, but I never had a mom, my stepdads wife decided i was too queer and an NGMI as a child, and I grew up and cureently live in california; basements are only a thing in very very recent construction here.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    i just said i hope you fucking die you piece of shit, and came up with excuses to not care abouy anything you said. You know, to teach you empathy.

    Truly a fucking master of pedagogy. What is this technique called? Has anyone else ever failed to learn from you, or am i the first?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    There was once a theory that the reason for the difference in which side a vehicle is driving on the road today, stems from whether a country had many stretches of untamed wilderness with lots of bandits. So if there was a high likelihood that whoever you met on the road was a danger, the horsecart driver preferred passing them on the side of their sword arm (right hand as default), while if you did not have to take that into account, you would pass them on the left hand side.

    The theory has now largely been abandonded as spurious, but it does remain a fact that there were dangerous stretches of roads in older times in Europe as well.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That's not what it was for. They fired a shotgun before turning onto a road. If two wagons came head to head on a crappy old western road it could cause hours of delay because the horses would have to be hitched to the back of one of the wagons a pull it all the way back to the crossroad.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    It's still relevant. I always hand my passengers a pistol before disembarking.

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  • [+] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)
  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Shotgun is an America thing, coming from the stagecoach era. The shotgun in question has a shortened barrel for reduced storage footprint.

    The BMW R12 has a sidecar mounted with an MG 42 light machine gun. But no-one calls sidecar gunner

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    In Australia: yes and it's commonplace. But like 70% of our media is American so unsurprising.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    This phrase has confused me so much when I heard it in one of Taylor Swift's songs.

    Then my Texan cousins explained it to me on a visit one day. I was still confused. Now I've found out it's a stage coach thing. Interesting.

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