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[+] 431 points 1 year ago (9 children)
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  • [–] 305 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Well, this happens if you don't respect your users.

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  • [–] 211 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    …or your moderators
    …or your third party developers

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    Fuck the mods; bunch of thin skinned morons.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago (1 child)
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    I just realized this could be taken at least a couple different ways.

    The way I intended was, Reddit relies fully on the free labor of volunteers for moderation.

    It wasn’t intended to be a comment on not paying for Reddit. I believe all users on Reddit provide free value to the company whether by posting, commenting, or voting.

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  • [–] 160 points 1 year ago (31 children)

    When Reddit's API debacle happened lots of people moved away. Some deleted their comments, some edited them with a message in protest. But sadly the consequences is that a lot of history and useful information got lost in the process.

    I don't know how I feel about this. I understand why it's done and even why it needs to be done, but it still makes me sad considering the amount of times where Reddit saved me from massive headaches with IT stuff and so on...

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  • [–] 173 points 1 year ago (25 children)

    As someone who deleted their posts... yes. The goal was to make Reddit worse, by removing my contributions to it because they forgot where their value came from.

    My content had some small value to them. They didn't deserve it.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I hope they delete all your stuff when your account gets banned because I’ve left at least three of those in my wake

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    They don't delete your content, they just redact your username and disassociate each individual comment from your larger profile so nobody could, for example, click on the deleted user who posted a comment in r/abc and see they also posted a particular comment in r/xyz.

    The reason tools like Redact (many of them all use this same name lol) have taken off in popularity is because they delete, or redact the contents of your posts before you delete the account, thus making even that vestigial data worthless.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I believe they are still there but hidden.

    Quite possibily it depends on the type of ban you received (e.g. spam vs inflicting harm on xyz)

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I know better than to threaten people online. It was all stupid political bullshit.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    That's not really what I meant.
    What I was trying to say is no ban is equal. Reddit may very well have nuance to bans they can utilize that will prevent you from just participating in comments/upvotes to full on shadow-bans.

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  • [+] -11 points 1 year ago* (17 children)

    I hear these justifications a lot, but the conclusion doesn't follow from the premises.

    The value of the archival data that can be affected by deleting or editing is almost entirely only user-accessed value. Reddit isn't harmed at all from the edits. It primarily needs active regular users to improve its stock value. Alternatively, it can sell archival data for AI training.

    Editing old comments removes neither value source from Reddit. You moved away from it so deprived it of both the material value of new comments and the statistical value of being an active user. Reddit also assuredly has saved data from before the API issue and can likely spot and clean the mass edits to sell the data from training purposes.

    Conversely, the value to users and society is high. So many solutions to problems that are gone forever. The Internet is decaying already and it gets harder to find useful information, and those leaving decided to just burn down a library of Alexandria.

    It's their - and your - right, sure. They're by definition done on comments the user owns. But this is just punching desperate Internet users in the face hoping it gives Reddit a bloody nose.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Would you sign up for a social media website if all the tech support posts looked like the above?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    those leaving decided to just burn down a library of Alexandria.

    More like I had my book taken off the shelves because the librarians are dicks

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Ah, where are those books now? Which shelves can I find them on?

    I get the metaphorical point, but it's a point without effect. "Removing with no possible present or future access" is the same as "burning" for society's purposes.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (8 children)

    where are those books now?

    Lemmy

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (7 children)

    You've reposted all of your deleted Reddit comments to Lemmy?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Nope, all new comments. Better comments. If you miss the old ones, well sorry but it's weird that you're trying to claim ownership over my thoughts and self expression. I don't owe you or the internet a damn thing.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    See the last paragraph of my post. I both addressed this, and am talking about past comments, not future comments.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    You compared deleting my own posts to book burning. You have some weird sense of entitlement where you believe you own my thoughts. You don't. I do. I can change them, I can remove them, I can grow as a person and develop new thoughts and I don't give a shit if you like it.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    Buddy, this is in my original post: "It’s their - and your - right, sure. They’re by definition done on comments the user owns. But this is just punching desperate Internet users in the face hoping it gives Reddit a bloody nose."

    I'm making a point about cause and effect, and started out conceding that you can do what you want with your own comments. You're arguing with a phantom projection of your own pet peeves.

    Edit: Removed duplicate quote.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    But this is just punching desperate Internet users in the face hoping it gives Reddit a bloody nose.

    You're still implying they have a right to my thoughts. I strongly disagree.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    You’re still implying they have a right to my thoughts. I strongly disagree.

    Counterpoint: No, I'm not. You're making the life of internet users who are looking for a solution worse, and hoping Reddit is somehow harmed as a side effect. Nothing in that implies I think that I or they have a right to your thoughts. You are just following a poor strategy, lashing out using the only lever you have, without any logical basis to think it will achieve what you want. Your methods will not produce the results you seek.

    If you feel differently, feel free to explain. I'll read your post. But I think I'm done replying to this thread for now - my original post said what I mean.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The sad part of it is that they (reddit) can still access that deleleted information and sell it for AI training. Even as a "power" user you can use websites that "undelete" that content. The only ones truly affected by this are people randomly browsing reddit.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I mean it does reduce the value of the content that users created on reddit if a ton of random comments were deleted in protest. Every time you hit a thread like the OOP it reduces reddit 's value to the individual, and in aggregate it reduces reddits value

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Did you actually read my comment? That's an issue casual users have. If you want to see deleted comments, there's a way to do that.

    The only thing that actually hurts reddit is if people stop using it an generating new content.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Yup, Reddit fucked us all after we gave them our knowledge for free.
    Trick people into thinking they're contributing to a commons, steal the contributions and run. Very understandable that many people decided to retaliate after the betrayal.
    I really hope decentralized knowledge bases take off. Aggregating niche knowledge from experts and non-experts everywhere the internet touches is such a valuable proposition!

    I had like one useful comment posted to Reddit. I've left it up, and once every few months I get a comment being appreciative for the info.
    Reddit gets the traffic because of Google indexing the original post of a user with the problem. People are going to visit it regardless of whether they'll find the answer or not. In fact, if they don't find it, they're more likely to keep browsing posts in the hope of finding something.

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  • [–] 65 points 1 year ago

    good, but it's not enough

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  • [–] 65 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Good! The users add all the value to that site, moderate if for free and they couldn't even not be cunts about it.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Good for whom?

    There's been loads of times where I've looked everywhere for a solution, finally finding it on google page 10+ in an obscure reddit thread with like 10 votes and 4 comments where someone had found a weird, illogical solution to your exact problem, that actually worked.

    It's a shame it went to shit. The real losers are us, we lost a lot of knowledge.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    That doesn't mean I think they should get to keep that stuff. Sure, we lost a lot of knowledge there, and that sucks. But the company lost out and pushed their IPO way back for it and I enjoy seeing Spez suffer after what he did to Aaron's legacy.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If that's how you feel, that's how you feel. But I personally doubt Reddit as a company have lost out. They still have all the data. And they still have a massive user-base. I'm sure Spez is suffering real bad with his hundreds of millions....

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  • [–] 57 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I did the same.

    Reddit showed it didn't give a fsck about my user experience with their banning of third party apps, but they still wanted to sell the content I put the effort in to providing.

    Screw you guys. You want to make money off hosting my words, whatever. But don't stick a pineapple up my arse at the same time and expect me not to feel it.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    I really need to go back and delete all my posts, I just dropped it and never went back.

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  • [+] 21 points 1 year ago (7 children)
  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    just say something that will you get you banned and they will delete all your comments and posts and your profile. they will appear as [deleted]. much easier tbh

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    they will appear as deleted, but they are not really deleted, they still have them in the database and still make money selling them 🤷‍♂️

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I do wonder how much they soft delete stuff, so they can keep the data to sell. Also if they keto a history, do even if you manually delete/edit, do they have a copy on a server somewhere?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Not sure about edits, but its highly likely they still have every deleted post. Text is small and highly compressible, so there's no reason to delete it. So it makes more sense to keep it to sell later.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Does that help the fight? I was under the impression that they got to keep all the old info

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Reddit already only allows Google to scrape them now, so as far as I am concerned it is a dead site. Removing my comments is worth it to not feed the monopoly that is Google.

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    Fuck Reddit and Fuck Spez.

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  • [+] 100 points 1 year ago (12 children)
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    Reddit as a company is 100% unaffected by this

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago

    To an extent they are. Part of the appeal of Reddit was that you could find good answers there. But yeah, the idea that "long term their reputation may suffer" is hardly affecting them in any demonstrable way now.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (8 children)

    100% unaffected? It makes their data worth a lot less for AI training. Even if they keep comment history, these are edits - how do you determine which edit to use? Using all of them poisons the data, and picking one risks doing the same.

    On top of that, reddit has quickly become a non-source for opinions... I used to append "reddit" to any search where I wanted candid feedback, but absolutely would never do that these days. That's less traffic, which is less ad money, which comprises the vast majority of their revenue. Reputation is virtually the only thing that matters for search, and Reddit's reputation has been sliding for years.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    That’s less traffic, which is less ad money, which comprises the vast majority of their revenue.

    and how many people do the same thing you do? they don't really care about 1% of dedicated users...

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    ...you're joking, right? There is not a company in the world that is happy to ignore 1/100th of their revenue disappearing.

    Is it going to kill reddit? Of course not. Are they "100% unaffected?" Of course not.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    There is not a company in the world that is happy to ignore 1/100th of their revenue disappearing

    except we are talking about USERS disappearing, not revenue. it is likely that revenue actually increased, because x+n (where n > 0) people paying more than zero generating more than zero is bigger number than x generating zero.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    the more technical helpful users are likely to do it, you think the vast majority of users give helpful comments?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    you are forgetting that reddit is not just coders and sysadmins.

    people writing comments about - i don't know - sneakers, might not care about the reddit drama at all. and all comments are helpful as AI training material - don't succumb to the biased idea that only what interests you is important or "helpful"

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago

    I made sure to remove all my posts before i left when they started blocking anonymous vpn users. 3 accounts across 15+ years all gone because of their stupid policies.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago

    Good.

    They went public and made bank on free user input. Those users rebelled so the platform would suck.

    It may still be standing but I feel we won over a year ago.

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