CEOs, embrace torches and pitchforks.
Copilot is shit.
CEOs, embrace torches and pitchforks.
Copilot is shit.
This part really stuck out for me:
This is the latest example of a strange marketing strategy by AI companies. Instead of selling products based on helpful features and letting users decide, executives often deploy scare tactics that essentially warn people they will become obsolete if they don't get on the AI bandwagon.
If hype doesn't work, try threats!
Which is how you know they have a good product that they have full faith in.
when they have to blackmail, threaten, coerce, and force people to accept their product.
"The Sky Is Falling! Buy My Magic Umbrella!" is a classic hypeman's trick.
For some odd reason, this calls to mind an emotionally immature parent trying to get their toddler to eat vegetables... no reason at all...
Threats work well for scams. People who couldn't be bothered to move by promises of something new and better can be motivated by fear of losing what they already have.
It's really unfortunate psychology is looked down upon and psychologists are viewed as some "soft" profession. Zuck is a psychology major. It's been 2 decades, most of the radical changes in which were not radical in anything other than approach to human psychology.
BTW, I've learned recently that in their few initial years Khmer Rouge were not known as communist organization to even many of their members. Just an "organization". Their rhetoric was agrarian (of course peasants are hard-working virtuous people, and from peasantry working the earth comes all the wisdom, and those corrupt and immoral people in the cities should be made work to eat), Buddhist (of course the monk-feudal system of obedience, work and ascese is the virtuous way to live, though of course we are having a rebirth now so we are even wiser), monarchist (they referred to Sihanouk's authority almost to the end), anti-Vietnamese (that's like Jewish for German Nazis, Vietnamese are the evil). And after them taking power for some time they still didn't communicate anything communist. They didn't even introduce their leadership. Nobody knew who makes the decisions in that "organization" or how it was structured. It didn't have a face. They only officially made themselves visible as Democratic Kampuchea with communism and actual leaders when the Chinese pressured them. They didn't need to, because they were obeyed via threat (and lots of fulfillment) of violence anyway.
This is important in the sense that when you have the power, you don't need to officially tell the people over which you have it that you rule them.
So - in these 2 decades it has also came into fashion to deliberately stubbornly ignore the fact that psychology works over masses. And everybody acts as if when there's no technical means to make people do something, then it's not likely or possible.
Move to Codeberg (esp. if you're European) - but please don't forget to donate something as well. If we don't pay for actual freedom, we won't be able to keep it.
Also note that it's for open source projects only.
I agree with you 100% but theres also a small strange humour in the wordage of paying for freedom.
Get out or what? GitHub?
I don’t understand this insistence that all developers must use AI.
If AI made a developer better, why insist, wouldn’t the vibe coders outcompete all others?
Wouldn’t they need non AI coders to train things?
Or is it because this snake oil pitch only works when everyone does it so no one notices it’s detrimental effects?
It's because we're expensive. That's the long and short of it.
10 developers in Silicon Valley can run you $1-$2m in salary alone (it's more expensive with benefits added).
The industry constantly conspires to keep the salary of software engineers down. It does it cyclically too. In 2008 I was told I would have no problem getting a 6 figure job when I graduated by 2013. Of course the economy had other ideas. Same thing with the dot Com bubble.
I currently make double what I did 10 years ago. It doesn't actually matter much as inflation and a divorce has had my costs balloon just as much, but it's still loads more than any other job out there.
They'll get what they want, one way or another. Then when none of their shit works they inevitably come back begging us and we request better pay and benefits again, because we know they do this. They don't learn, much like those reliant on AI.
10 engineers in the Bay Area would easily be 2-3 million without additional benefits or support personnel
Studies show AI coding tools make the task slower. It only makes people feel they're faster, but reality is different. So it's the snake oil pitch. Nobody can know it doesn't really work and they keep throwing money at it in an increasingly more desperate "fake it till you make it". Because, if this thing implodes, it'll take a large part of the market and economy with it to do a rerun of the 2008 financial crisis.
Can you name or link the studies? I’d love to read more abt this
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)00550-6/fulltext
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/total-fertility-rate
I think you might’ve misunderstood what I’m asking for, you said that studies show that working with AI makes tasks slower and I would like to know which studies show this
Oops, wrong thread.
https://metr.org/blog/2025-07-10-early-2025-ai-experienced-os-dev-study/
Bro you are literally not necessary, not even the best at what you do. See everyone on codeberg.
But who else is going to micromanage and bully the employees and strut around self-importantly doing jack shit? /s
Replace CEOs with AI
I'm wondering about why they got fooled. Have they noticed that LLM can do a better job than then and they think that this will also translate to software engineering?
My understanding is CEOs are mostly good at schmoozing with other CEOs and investors. A lot of investors operate on vibes, so having a CEO that can vibe with other rich bros can open pathways to funding. That's about it. Everything else they do is a liability or could be better handled by someone with relevant expertise.
Also, we probably shouldn't be driving most of our productivity based on the vibe check of a few rich boys.
Your last sentence is spot on but it doesn't capture the full weight of the impact rich people vibes have on the world. The perceived value of every stock, and by extension the economy as a whole, is almost exclusively a vibe check of rich guys. There is no objective information about a company that is more indicative of that company's success than how rich people feel about it.
And since Rich people are just interested in having the biggest number, they only invest in lines that are going up every quarter.
Mutual funds are doing the same thing, and since they’ve convinced the rest of us to invest our retirements into stocks instead of pensions, we’re all fucked when it fails.
Daily reminder that Codeberg is always the good alternative to corporate bastards like this idiot
i'm also looking forward for https://sourcehut.org/
While I don’t wish for this future, I do look forward to being one of the few that truly understands the ‘old way’ of computing like many here on Lemmy. All that knowledge I spent my youth acquiring may very well become insanely valuable in the next few decades because so many people will treat it as irrelevant.
I’ll feel a lot like this:

The future is now. The future is also ten, twenty and thirty years ago! According to GitHub's Chief Executive Idiot himself:
the skills that will matter most include system design, AI fluency, delegation, and quality assurance
Except for "AI fluency", this has been true for fucking ever. No serious work environment evaluates their developers on how quickly they can vomit code (or so I hope): the job is indeed about design, quality and working as a team in general.
Which means a tool that does not help with any of these is already not a revolution. When the tool actively makes quality worse and collaboration more complicated, I get the impression it is actually detrimental.
Mind you, I might be dead wrong. I am personally not impressed so far. It seems to be a better autocomplete, but I don't want to throw a glass of water out the window every time I press tab.
Would AI be better CEO's? They would cost a lot less and probably make better decisions. Just saying.
A CEO's main job is to spout bullshit, which is also AI's particular talent.
an ai is also often wrong but confidently says they're not wrong so that sounds perfect for ceos too
A CEOs main job is to be the fall guy when the company goes fubar.
Except that never happens. They get millions and then go bankrupt some other company.
they get millions
Exactly their job. Their job is to take the blame. In exchange, they get millions to move on to someone else.
I am convinced AI could replace CEO's very easily. Making decisions based on trends and lots of data is an easy use case. And if it's the wrong decision who cares? CEO's also don't take and responsibility at all. AI is also a very good lair too.
It already has.
They've drunk their own coolaid. They actually believe their own bullshit. They've offloaded what little thinking they used to do onto LLMs. They have them manage their schedules, summarise their emails, write their emails and speeches, and make every single decision for them.
They're brain-dead computer operated zombies.
The problem is that they keep getting paid absurd amounts of money for being completely useless (and that they've always been so useless that no one can tell the difference).
I can't help but picture the business card scene from American Psycho, but they're comparing the “AI” assistants they use instead of their cards.
A magic 8 ball would be a better CEO. LLMs could probably pull it off fine.
I just wrote elsewhere in this thread but to repeat myself: I think the real job of a CEO is to schmooze with other CEOs and rich idiots. They get funding. Everything else is pretty much a liability, and would be better handled by someone with relevant expertise.
So the board members could replace the CEOs with AI if they desired. I guess their saving grace is it would be hard to extort, blackmail and coerce AI.
I don't think the board wants to do that, because the board is composed of CEOs and friends of CEOs. The rich have class solidarity. They're not going to fuck each other over like that.
Understanding The Rise In CEO Exits
Directors looking to understand and address the exodus can look first to a number of drivers, including the tremendous pressure today’s leaders face contending with volatility and unprecedented change in an unforgiving market. Focus on short-term performance, geopolitical turbulence and talent concerns have all escalated in recent years. When the headwinds hit, CEOs find themselves squarely in the firing line, as Bill George, former CEO of Medtronic and a former board member at Goldman Sachs, ExxonMobil, Novartis and Target, points out in this issues’s cover story (see p. 16). “I know one case where a CEO was given 16 months,” he says. “How can you possibly turn around a culture in 16 months? They’re reacting too quickly to external forces, and that’s not right.”
https://boardmember.com/understanding-the-rise-in-ceo-exits/
Moved from github to gitlab when it was acquired by Microsoft. Moved from gitlab to codeberg last month because I don't need a behemoth with dozens of services I never use to store my 3 shitty code files.
And now we understand why MSFT buying github a some years back was a really big deal actually, and not just some kind of mostly neutral, generic expansionary business move.
If those are my two options...start looking for my projects on Codeberg I guess.
Already done. I moved everything to Codeberg a year or two ago. I strongly recommend it to anyone looking for safe, non-corporate, community-oriented version control. It’s also German and non-profit.
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