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[–] 185 points 1 year ago (49 children)

Much as I love spicy foods/hot sauce, this weapons grade shit is just silly.

I once signed a waiver to purchase a spicy chicken sandwich and will never do so again.

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  • [–] 60 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I had the same sandwich (Dave's Hot Chicken reaper sandwich). I assumed it was just a marketing stunt. After one bite I had to go back and get a milkshake so I could sip it between bites to finish the damn sandwich.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Oh was it made with Dave's Hot Sauce? I had a customer bring in his own Ultimate Insanity hot sauce to use in a Prairie Fire shot (tequila+hot sauce). Shit looked ROUGH. He let me keep the hot sauce after though and it became one of my partner's favourites.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    alcohol an capsaicin hits hard. the alcohol acts as a surfactant and your throat just gets obliterated. even vodka+tabasco can be pretty rough.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    Yeah it's totally a mistake.

    I bought some stupid hot sauces out of curiosity a few years ago (last dab kind of sauces, they are fairly hot but still edible) but was not prepared for the heat. I tried some milk and bread and whatever and it didn't help clear my mouth. It was on my tongue and my lips and I wanted it OFF.

    So having watched some of the "plutonium" hot sauce videos I put my obviously very big brain to work. In some of those videos, capsaicin crystals are dissolved in alcohol. I thought to myself, "alcohol dissolves capsaicin, my mouth is hot from capsaicin, I have an idea". It was not a good idea.

    I swished and swallowed a shot of vodka.

    As you say, it really helped the spicy coat my ENTIRE mouth and top of my throat. If you have never had spicy pain in between your teeth and coating your entire gumline, it is really something else. 2/10 would not recommend.

    In any event, a lesson was learned that day that I doubt I will forget.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I took a shot of everclear one time and felt my throat close up immediately. I couldn’t breath and felt panic for what felt like 2 minutes but was actually just 10 seconds. I imagine adding hot sauce would have ended me.

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  • [–] 44 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (26 children)

    I find it hard to understand how a potentially hazardous to health food item is even allowed.

    What is this obcession with ever increasing level of spice in food, lately?

    Because at some point all the flavour just goes away, replaced by a hefty dose of pain.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Spice will give you an approximation of a "runner's high" without the tedious mucking about of exercise. There is, of course, an upper limit which too many products tip past.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    It can be fun to safely experience sensory extremes. Many people get an endorphin/dopamine rush from it.

    Other than some gut irritation it's not a significant hazard. Like yeah keep it safely stored from sensitive people and pets also it's probably not the best road trip snack or whatever. Certainly less dangerous than alcohol, fireworks, cigarettes or texting while driving.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I can get sensory extremes by walking outside, right now. I'm good on that front.

    It's clear I'm on the minority side here, no problem on that, but is it that weird to expect food to have flavour and not hurt me while I'm eating it? It seems reasonable.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    I think the problem lies with calling things like the 1 chip challenge or "melt you wussy butthole" varieties of spicy challenges "food".

    I mean I guess you ingest them, but that's kinda like calling magic mushrooms food or ipecac syrup food. They are things that you eat for a specific purpose that is not nourishment.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    in the past i thought eating spicy food made me look cool and manly, but then i realised i'm missing out on the flavour of foods and understood i was being silly. so now i mostly stick to mild foods, with the occasional spicy food for varity's sake but only if i can actually taste the flavour of said food through the spice

    but that's just me

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I realize I'm a special case, but my nose is essentially non-functionalβ€”I don't smell food. While my sense of taste is more sensitive than your average person, I suspect I still miss out on some kinds of flavour. I believe my impairment is why I am drawn towards strong tastes like cheeses or, indeed, extremely spicy food. They're the "only" flavours that I really experience strongly.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Cases like yours are unfortunate and I understand and respect those. I'm a fan of spice myself. Just not to the point it hurts me. I put spice in food to enhance flavours, not to cover it with a dose of pain.

    If you can find it, try portuguese goat cheese or Azores cheese, long cure. Very flavourful but incredibly intense.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Ha! Never thought of that!
    I'm very sensitive with smells, while my wife isn't.
    Although I do like spicy food, I still want to be able to taste anything else than hot pain.

    My wife though enjoys chilli chips, where I couldn't even stomach one of them.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    my dad says this same thing but like, capsaicin isn't flavourful, it just hurts?

    you can get peppers with loads of flavour and very little capsaicin

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    It's about the experience for me. I'm not sure how to explain it because it's all subjective. Spice doesn't really hurt me because I have a high tolerance, but it makes me feel... something? Perhaps it's just like when other people eat a bit of wasabi? (I know that wasabi and peppers don't work the same, but it still gives people that "pain" or maybe "kick".)

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    self inflicted pain with no scars or prema damage, as long as it's below pepper spray.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Hey, long time no see!

    But no. It's food. Not torture.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    A guy after my own heart. Do you like vinegar based hot sauces? If not, which sauces do you go for? I’ve struggled for years to find decent sauces and have only found Melinda’s and my own sauces to tolerate.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Not the guy you responded to, but I also love hot sauce. I usually stock franks, yellowbird's red jalapeΓ±o sauce (forget the name), and cholula or Valentina if I don't feel like paying for it. I also had this really awesome green hot sauce from El Pato brand, but I haven't ever seen it again. Hopefully someday!

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Dude, this el pato sauce’s packaging looks like absolute dog water. Which, for anyone who has ever gone on a sauce tasting spree, means it’s either horrific or ambrosia. There is no in-between. You’ve piqued my interest more than I can properly describe.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Their canned red sauce is always a gamble between mild to decently hot. Would recommend.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    The tomato sauce or tomato sauce with jalapeΓ±o? Or another one I’m not seeing?

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    Vinegar tends to be too forward. I go for the stuff you'll find in a Mexican market or "ethnic" aisle of a grocery store. Peppers being an ingredient higher than most others beyond water catch my eye. Melinda's is alright, though I've seen them branch out quite a bit from their more humble beginnings.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    I don't like vinegary too much (or smoke/fermented flavor etc), I like El Yucateco Red*.

    Though it is a bit expensive for a tiny bottle. So I made a few big bottles trying my own spin* from garden habaneros (orange) and liked how it turned out.

    * I see the key ingredients: distilled white vinegar, citric acid, xantham gum and tomato paste EDIT: carrots is another trick, IIRC I fried mine with onions and bell peppers

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Ah, a fellow Melinda's enjoyer! I love they're Ghost Pepper sauce in particular (though it's fairly mild for a Ghost Pepper sauce). My only complaint with Melinda's, is that they consistently use too much carrot in their sauces. But otherwise they're really great!

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I’m really not picky about the sweetness. As long as it’s got a little kick and doesn’t taste like a shot of vinegar, I’m happy. I usually go for the habanero, but it’s getting to be a bit pepperminty, so I might jump ship for one of the other brands mentioned here.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    My mouth is broken and I love really spicy stuff. Like, still haven't met someone in person who likes things as spicy as I like them.

    FYI to the Flaming Anus chocolate bar: it's advertising hype BS. Like most hot sauces yelling out some high scoville number. All that big "2.2 million scoville" on the packaging here is actually just referencing that it has Carolina reaper pepper in the chocolate, and that those peppers can be up to 2.2 million scoville.

    But the peppers are dead last on the ingredient list. Each bar has very little in it. If I ate a Carolina reaper pepper rated over 2 million even I would hate it and it would burn and I'd feel like my insides wanted to die. But the chocolate bar here is just a spicy little snack.

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    [–] 67 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (15 children)

    iirc mice don't have the same response to capsaicin as humans - they can taste it, and don't particularly like the taste, but it doesn't cause them pain like it does in humans.

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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm sure birds are immune as well as Steve-O, can't say for sure of rodents.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    From a tiny amount of reading (and a complete lack of a biology degree...) it's that the rodent taste buds just react differently to the capsaicin, so it doesn't hit the sodium channels in the pain receptor 'stack' in the same way as it does in humans. It's not the total lack of reaction like you get with birds or some ungulates.
    ...
    I think.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This is interesting. A popular squirrel deterrent for bird feeders is to put spicy stuff on the seed. I’ve been trying that lately and the squirrels have completely left my bird feeder alone. So there must be something rodents don’t like β€” unless squirrels are just built different?

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I assume so. I have had critters gorging on my ghosts and reapers in the garden. Losing an entire plant overnight was the last straw so I have webbing up now, but they were clearly unaffected.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Lost a plant with peppers on it? I wonder what OG was eating that.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    Am I just missing where they claim that? From the conclusion:

    Altering the palatability of this feed to rodents through the addition of capsaicin may greatly enhance traditional methods of increasing poison bait acceptance on poultry operations

    That they avoid the taste has nothing inherently to do with the 'pain' experienced as a result of consuming it - in the preceding section they discuss other strategies to increase bait acceptance, including adding rodenticide to preferred bait foods. That rodents have taste preferences isn't really in question, that they have a pain response to consuming capsaicin is.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    here is test that uses pain caused by capsicin to test local anesthesia:

    orofacial capsaicin test in rats

    Does this prove that capsicium causes pain?

    Edit some more research regarding the rodents:
    Tree shrews can tolerate hot peppers:
    Changes in TRPV1-Mediated Physiological Function in Rats Systemically Treated With Capsaicin on the Neonate

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    The question was never if subcutaneous injections of capsaicin produce a pain reaction, nor how the effects of neonatal exposure to capsaicin effect the development of a rats life (even if there are impacts on the sensitivity of a response in TRPV1 as a result, your second link pretty clearly establishes that that is not a strong indicator of pain response to capsaicin in rodents, though it doesn't go on to establish specifics thereof). Neither of those have to do with the consumption of capsaicin, though the second article is pretty interesting! It doesn't establish a relationship between baseline "rodents" and TRPV1 response though, nor does it make any claims about severity of response or exposure sensitivity (which are not the goals of the paper), but that may be because the only english copy I can find of the article is a fairly abbreviated version of the full chinese text (and I uh... do not read written chinese very well at all, let alone discussions of technical biology).

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Combination of these two should show you that mice react similarly to human reactions to oral ingestion of capsicin:

    Innate liking and disgust reactions elicited by intraoral capsaicin in male mice
    Acute oral toxicity of capsaicin in mice

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Okay, I'm starting to question if you're reading the articles you're bringing out here?

    with the proportion of each reaction among disgust reactions similar to that induced by bitter and sour stimuli

    First paper states in the abstract that it isn't measuring a pain response, the paper goes on to clarify that (and has some pretty horrifying descriptions of the surgical procedure...) and is explicit that any response is based on mouse behavior, making no attempt to compare it to human reactions (because that is a really tricky question to answer in a rigorous manner, lets be real)

    The second is studying the LD-50 of capsaicin - and yeah I bet they had a pain response, since they were given so much of it some of them died of stomach ulcers. It does not at any point discuss the pain response from consuming it, beyond that they died, only the symptoms after consumption.

    These are both fundamentally irrelevant to the topic at hand.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    When the first spasms hit.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (20 children)

    ... that might actually be a ... rather inhumane, but 'effective' form of pest control for mice.

    I... did not know that anyone made fucking ghost pepper grade chocolate, but yeah, that would lure in and then potentiall kill, if not seriously injure or at least dissuade mice.

    Its like sugar + borax for ants and such, sheesh.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    No one does. It isn't a 2.2 million shu chocolate bar. It just has a very small amount of Carolina reaper pepper as an ingredient in the bar. Most of those hot sauces with goofy names are the same way. "Satan's lBunghole made with 6,000,000 pepper extract" Yeah. Made with like a drop of extract so the sauce is more like 200,000 scoville.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    Ok, that makes much more sense.

    I can handle a decent bit of spice, been to a good number of hole in the wall, pretty authentic restaurants of many different kinds of cuisine from many places... but I can't handle an insane amount of it, I don't know the actual scolville (sp?, shus apparently?) ratings ...

    But yeah, that makes much more sense that its mostly marketing bs.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    Yep. Tons of people want to say they like real hot stuff because it sounds cool, so most hot sauces cater to those people, but they don't actually want those people to only buy it once. They want repeat customers so they make it mild enough for a lot of people to tolerate.

    If you really like hot sauce (like in the top 5% of people), "Dave's Insanity Sauce" is a great tasting and affordable sauce I like to splash and put on all sorts of stuff from eggs to sandwiches to pizza. I've even found it at a couple grocery stores. Like $7 a bottle.

    If you want truly hot. The kind of stuff that draws out intense pain from most that try it, Da Bomb hot sauces have been made by a company out of Kansas City Kansas called Spicin Foods. You may have heard of Da Bomb beyond insanity from the show Hot Ones. It's actually the hottest sauce they have on that show (and the guests usually show it) even though it's not the last one in the lineup. Spicin Foods is one of the few companies that I actually believe to have accurate scoville ratings. The hot ones Da Bomb beyond insanity is one of the da bomb's least hot sauces at 136,000 scoville, and like I said, it's actually the hottest sauce on that show.

    There's another Da Bomb called Ground Zero that's around 325,000 scoville. That's to the point where I don't want to use much at all and it's quite hot to me. Many other sauces I've tried over the decades have claimed to be much higher scoville and they usually aren't as hot as Ground Zero.

    And then they have "da bomb The Final Answer" 1,500,000 scoville. Fuck this shit. This can leave a chemical burn on your skin. I have never in my life met anyone in person who does spicy like I do and a large drop of this stuff made me hallucinate colors and sweat outside in freezing weather. By the time my head quit burning my stomach hurt so bad it made me vomit. Which made my mouth start burning again. It's the shit I'll only put like a drop of in a bowl of chili.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Love Dave's Insanity. But Dave's Ultimate Insanity is my favorite to date. Da Bomb Beyond Insanity was never meant to be used the way Hot Ones does. There was a behind the scenes at their factory and the owner said it's intention was for adding to chili or soups, one drop at a time.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    For sure on Da Bomb. I'm from Kansas City near where it's made and have been using it since 1999. It tastes bad on its own but works great to make other things hot. I keep it around (ground zero) to ad to other hot sauce and salsa and ketchup bottles and Sriracha and BBQ sauce I buy and to ad to soups and chili to make them spicy. It's great for adding heat to stuff that tastes good. Dave's is just tasty and goes right on sandwiches and stuff.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Yes, indeed. I find it too metallic tasting. No idea what it could be. I've bought it twice now, but I think I'm just going to stick with Dave's Ultimate Insanity and Mad Dog 357 (oh you simply must try them).

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    I've had mad dog 357, the 357 silver edition, and the 357 gold. Gold is supposed to be hotter than the silver edition, but the bottle I had of gold was a touch less spicy than silver. None of the three actually tasted hotter than the 321k da bomb, but they were sure better tasting.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Thank you so much for your insight! I'll be placing my next order for Mad Dog 357 Silver after your endorsement. Thanks again, ColeSloth! Greetings from Holland (where the locals think white bread is too spicy)

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (8 children)

    I am not a capcacin masochist, I will not be persuing this, but I do very much appreciate the knowledge dump, I enjoy learning about what the real shit actually is so I can laugh at fools, ahhaha!

    (Ok, and possibly maybe try your first suggestion, I lied, I am slightly a masochist / innately curious =P)

    ...

    I still remeber when someone I was with at a restaurant asked me to pass 'the hot sauce', I passed them like, you know, actually kinda hot, basic tabasco red sauce, and they got angry at me.

    They apparently classified Sriracha as 'hot sauce' in their brain, and ... thats what they meant by 'hot sauce'.

    Oh honey, oh dear, almost all Sriracha at a restuarant is basically a slightly more interesting and flavorful ketchup, it is not hot sauce.

    Like, you, Mr./Ms./Mz. ColeSloth, you seem to be in the spice-pain tolerance range of like, an order(s?) of magnitude beyond me, but I hope you can see just the... sad confusion and hilarity of someone genuinely thinking Sriracha is 'hot sauce'.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Oh I do indeed. I have to be careful cooking up at the fire station. I made chili once a long time ago that was just a touch spicy to me and a couple of the guys couldn't eat it :-\

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Firefighter who loves burning their face off with spicy food, ahahah, I love it!

    You sound like you'd be fun to share a brew with, though I can only imagine your schedule is also insane, hahah!

    No clue if your user instance indicates where you're from, but you just saying that reminds me of passing a boot around at a schnitzel house (haus?) back in the day =P

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Lol. The brews are a good time. My job hours couldn't be better. I work 48 hours on and 96 hours off. Gives me a lot of time to play..... and work a 2nd job. I think we might be a ways off from each other. U.S in Missouri.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Ah, well then, we are actually fairly close in terms of physical location, I'm currently in South Dakota, hahaha!

    Not from there originally, long story.

    I could never handle that schedule though, sheesh!

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Oh, the schedule is great. We get beds and sleep when not running calls. Have a kitchen to cook in and a living room type area with recliners. We train and stay busy till 5pm. After that we mainly just chill out and do what we want when we aren't running a call. Usually get woke up once a night on average. Usually a medical call or a lift assist for an old person who's fallen and can't get up at night. But every time I get off work I'm on "a four day weekend". It's awesome.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    That does sound fun, honestly.

    I'd been able to do things like that a decade ago, long term camping trips, multi day paintball excursions...

    Unfortunately, later on, I ended up getting assaulted and crippled, so now my life is mostly full time PT, interspersed with shitposting on lemmy, lol.

    So yeah... I very fundamentally would not be able to keep up with that anymore, but it does still sound appealing, and honestly just gives me more determination to dedicate toward my PT... progress is slow, and painful, but the progress is also real.

    Was in a wheelchair a year+ ago. Got to being able to use a cane and braces. Now I'm at the point where I can actually ditch either the cane or the braces for a decent amount of time.

    Gotta just keep keeping with it.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Wow. I'm sorry that happened to you. Hell of a life setback, but congratulations on all the improvements you've gotten back so far. Keep that shit going. Id hate not being able to go camping and fishing, so you gotta get that back.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I appreciate the encouragement, genuienly.

    Its... been wild.

    Kind of just ended up actually living through the uh Fight Club line: "It is only after you have lost everything, that you are free to do anything."

    Was quite a bit of a perspective shift... and I'd previously been working with serving the homeless at a shelter (ironic), but nope, even that was nowhere near sufficient to fully understand what its like.

    But yeah, it did net result in me finally defeating my impostor syndrome... I actually have genuine self confidence now.

    I have literally survived things that ... I literally saw kill other people, directly in front of me.

    Made my way for a good bit of it by basically being the only person around that had basic, functional first aid training, and I more or less traded that for food, cigs, 'reputation points'.

    More or less dumb fucking luck that I remembered some trauma oriented medical training I got at gun range years back, and that I was able to hold onto a good more or less medical bugout bag I'd put together in case of emergencies.

    Local firefighters were a lot more helpful and trustworthy than local cops, in terms of actually helping out with dire medical situations...

    So I am a bit pleasantly biased towards firefighters in that way too, haha.

    Anyway yeah, one of these days, I'll get to go on a hike again, and that'll honestly be me being a happy and fully content man.

    Lynrd Skynrd - Simple Kind of Man begins to play

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    dissuade

    "fuck this shit I am moving from this house"

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago*

    Mouse Yelp Review:

    Walls: 4/5

    • roomy, yet also cozy!

    Climate Control: 3/5

    • gotta stick near the right pipes in peak summer/winter

    Catering: 0/5

    • actual sadistic death trap food, the 'complimentary' continental breakfast looks great, but will disembowel you. RIP lil squeeky jr.

    Overall: 2/5

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