Much as I love spicy foods/hot sauce, this weapons grade shit is just silly.
I once signed a waiver to purchase a spicy chicken sandwich and will never do so again.
Much as I love spicy foods/hot sauce, this weapons grade shit is just silly.
I once signed a waiver to purchase a spicy chicken sandwich and will never do so again.
iirc mice don't have the same response to capsaicin as humans - they can taste it, and don't particularly like the taste, but it doesn't cause them pain like it does in humans.
I'm sure birds are immune as well as Steve-O, can't say for sure of rodents.
From a tiny amount of reading (and a complete lack of a biology degree...) it's that the rodent taste buds just react differently to the capsaicin, so it doesn't hit the sodium channels in the pain receptor 'stack' in the same way as it does in humans. It's not the total lack of reaction like you get with birds or some ungulates.
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I think.
This is interesting. A popular squirrel deterrent for bird feeders is to put spicy stuff on the seed. Iβve been trying that lately and the squirrels have completely left my bird feeder alone. So there must be something rodents donβt like β unless squirrels are just built different?
I assume so. I have had critters gorging on my ghosts and reapers in the garden. Losing an entire plant overnight was the last straw so I have webbing up now, but they were clearly unaffected.
Lost a plant with peppers on it? I wonder what OG was eating that.
By this researcher they do feel the "pain" from it:
Am I just missing where they claim that? From the conclusion:
Altering the palatability of this feed to rodents through the addition of capsaicin may greatly enhance traditional methods of increasing poison bait acceptance on poultry operations
That they avoid the taste has nothing inherently to do with the 'pain' experienced as a result of consuming it - in the preceding section they discuss other strategies to increase bait acceptance, including adding rodenticide to preferred bait foods. That rodents have taste preferences isn't really in question, that they have a pain response to consuming capsaicin is.
here is test that uses pain caused by capsicin to test local anesthesia:
orofacial capsaicin test in rats
Does this prove that capsicium causes pain?
Edit some more research regarding the rodents:
Tree shrews can tolerate hot peppers:
Changes in TRPV1-Mediated Physiological Function in Rats Systemically Treated With Capsaicin on the Neonate
The question was never if subcutaneous injections of capsaicin produce a pain reaction, nor how the effects of neonatal exposure to capsaicin effect the development of a rats life (even if there are impacts on the sensitivity of a response in TRPV1 as a result, your second link pretty clearly establishes that that is not a strong indicator of pain response to capsaicin in rodents, though it doesn't go on to establish specifics thereof). Neither of those have to do with the consumption of capsaicin, though the second article is pretty interesting! It doesn't establish a relationship between baseline "rodents" and TRPV1 response though, nor does it make any claims about severity of response or exposure sensitivity (which are not the goals of the paper), but that may be because the only english copy I can find of the article is a fairly abbreviated version of the full chinese text (and I uh... do not read written chinese very well at all, let alone discussions of technical biology).
Combination of these two should show you that mice react similarly to human reactions to oral ingestion of capsicin:
Innate liking and disgust reactions elicited by intraoral capsaicin in male mice
Acute oral toxicity of capsaicin in mice
Okay, I'm starting to question if you're reading the articles you're bringing out here?
with the proportion of each reaction among disgust reactions similar to that induced by bitter and sour stimuli
First paper states in the abstract that it isn't measuring a pain response, the paper goes on to clarify that (and has some pretty horrifying descriptions of the surgical procedure...) and is explicit that any response is based on mouse behavior, making no attempt to compare it to human reactions (because that is a really tricky question to answer in a rigorous manner, lets be real)
The second is studying the LD-50 of capsaicin - and yeah I bet they had a pain response, since they were given so much of it some of them died of stomach ulcers. It does not at any point discuss the pain response from consuming it, beyond that they died, only the symptoms after consumption.
These are both fundamentally irrelevant to the topic at hand.
When the first spasms hit.

... that might actually be a ... rather inhumane, but 'effective' form of pest control for mice.
I... did not know that anyone made fucking ghost pepper grade chocolate, but yeah, that would lure in and then potentiall kill, if not seriously injure or at least dissuade mice.
Its like sugar + borax for ants and such, sheesh.
No one does. It isn't a 2.2 million shu chocolate bar. It just has a very small amount of Carolina reaper pepper as an ingredient in the bar. Most of those hot sauces with goofy names are the same way. "Satan's lBunghole made with 6,000,000 pepper extract" Yeah. Made with like a drop of extract so the sauce is more like 200,000 scoville.
Ok, that makes much more sense.
I can handle a decent bit of spice, been to a good number of hole in the wall, pretty authentic restaurants of many different kinds of cuisine from many places... but I can't handle an insane amount of it, I don't know the actual scolville (sp?, shus apparently?) ratings ...
But yeah, that makes much more sense that its mostly marketing bs.
Yep. Tons of people want to say they like real hot stuff because it sounds cool, so most hot sauces cater to those people, but they don't actually want those people to only buy it once. They want repeat customers so they make it mild enough for a lot of people to tolerate.
If you really like hot sauce (like in the top 5% of people), "Dave's Insanity Sauce" is a great tasting and affordable sauce I like to splash and put on all sorts of stuff from eggs to sandwiches to pizza. I've even found it at a couple grocery stores. Like $7 a bottle.
If you want truly hot. The kind of stuff that draws out intense pain from most that try it, Da Bomb hot sauces have been made by a company out of Kansas City Kansas called Spicin Foods. You may have heard of Da Bomb beyond insanity from the show Hot Ones. It's actually the hottest sauce they have on that show (and the guests usually show it) even though it's not the last one in the lineup. Spicin Foods is one of the few companies that I actually believe to have accurate scoville ratings. The hot ones Da Bomb beyond insanity is one of the da bomb's least hot sauces at 136,000 scoville, and like I said, it's actually the hottest sauce on that show.
There's another Da Bomb called Ground Zero that's around 325,000 scoville. That's to the point where I don't want to use much at all and it's quite hot to me. Many other sauces I've tried over the decades have claimed to be much higher scoville and they usually aren't as hot as Ground Zero.
And then they have "da bomb The Final Answer" 1,500,000 scoville. Fuck this shit. This can leave a chemical burn on your skin. I have never in my life met anyone in person who does spicy like I do and a large drop of this stuff made me hallucinate colors and sweat outside in freezing weather. By the time my head quit burning my stomach hurt so bad it made me vomit. Which made my mouth start burning again. It's the shit I'll only put like a drop of in a bowl of chili.
Love Dave's Insanity. But Dave's Ultimate Insanity is my favorite to date. Da Bomb Beyond Insanity was never meant to be used the way Hot Ones does. There was a behind the scenes at their factory and the owner said it's intention was for adding to chili or soups, one drop at a time.
For sure on Da Bomb. I'm from Kansas City near where it's made and have been using it since 1999. It tastes bad on its own but works great to make other things hot. I keep it around (ground zero) to ad to other hot sauce and salsa and ketchup bottles and Sriracha and BBQ sauce I buy and to ad to soups and chili to make them spicy. It's great for adding heat to stuff that tastes good. Dave's is just tasty and goes right on sandwiches and stuff.
Yes, indeed. I find it too metallic tasting. No idea what it could be. I've bought it twice now, but I think I'm just going to stick with Dave's Ultimate Insanity and Mad Dog 357 (oh you simply must try them).
I've had mad dog 357, the 357 silver edition, and the 357 gold. Gold is supposed to be hotter than the silver edition, but the bottle I had of gold was a touch less spicy than silver. None of the three actually tasted hotter than the 321k da bomb, but they were sure better tasting.
Thank you so much for your insight! I'll be placing my next order for Mad Dog 357 Silver after your endorsement. Thanks again, ColeSloth! Greetings from Holland (where the locals think white bread is too spicy)
I am not a capcacin masochist, I will not be persuing this, but I do very much appreciate the knowledge dump, I enjoy learning about what the real shit actually is so I can laugh at fools, ahhaha!
(Ok, and possibly maybe try your first suggestion, I lied, I am slightly a masochist / innately curious =P)
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I still remeber when someone I was with at a restaurant asked me to pass 'the hot sauce', I passed them like, you know, actually kinda hot, basic tabasco red sauce, and they got angry at me.
They apparently classified Sriracha as 'hot sauce' in their brain, and ... thats what they meant by 'hot sauce'.
Oh honey, oh dear, almost all Sriracha at a restuarant is basically a slightly more interesting and flavorful ketchup, it is not hot sauce.
Like, you, Mr./Ms./Mz. ColeSloth, you seem to be in the spice-pain tolerance range of like, an order(s?) of magnitude beyond me, but I hope you can see just the... sad confusion and hilarity of someone genuinely thinking Sriracha is 'hot sauce'.
Oh I do indeed. I have to be careful cooking up at the fire station. I made chili once a long time ago that was just a touch spicy to me and a couple of the guys couldn't eat it :-\
Firefighter who loves burning their face off with spicy food, ahahah, I love it!
You sound like you'd be fun to share a brew with, though I can only imagine your schedule is also insane, hahah!
No clue if your user instance indicates where you're from, but you just saying that reminds me of passing a boot around at a schnitzel house (haus?) back in the day =P
Lol. The brews are a good time. My job hours couldn't be better. I work 48 hours on and 96 hours off. Gives me a lot of time to play..... and work a 2nd job. I think we might be a ways off from each other. U.S in Missouri.
Ah, well then, we are actually fairly close in terms of physical location, I'm currently in South Dakota, hahaha!
Not from there originally, long story.
I could never handle that schedule though, sheesh!
Oh, the schedule is great. We get beds and sleep when not running calls. Have a kitchen to cook in and a living room type area with recliners. We train and stay busy till 5pm. After that we mainly just chill out and do what we want when we aren't running a call. Usually get woke up once a night on average. Usually a medical call or a lift assist for an old person who's fallen and can't get up at night. But every time I get off work I'm on "a four day weekend". It's awesome.
That does sound fun, honestly.
I'd been able to do things like that a decade ago, long term camping trips, multi day paintball excursions...
Unfortunately, later on, I ended up getting assaulted and crippled, so now my life is mostly full time PT, interspersed with shitposting on lemmy, lol.
So yeah... I very fundamentally would not be able to keep up with that anymore, but it does still sound appealing, and honestly just gives me more determination to dedicate toward my PT... progress is slow, and painful, but the progress is also real.
Was in a wheelchair a year+ ago. Got to being able to use a cane and braces. Now I'm at the point where I can actually ditch either the cane or the braces for a decent amount of time.
Gotta just keep keeping with it.
Wow. I'm sorry that happened to you. Hell of a life setback, but congratulations on all the improvements you've gotten back so far. Keep that shit going. Id hate not being able to go camping and fishing, so you gotta get that back.
I appreciate the encouragement, genuienly.
Its... been wild.
Kind of just ended up actually living through the uh Fight Club line: "It is only after you have lost everything, that you are free to do anything."
Was quite a bit of a perspective shift... and I'd previously been working with serving the homeless at a shelter (ironic), but nope, even that was nowhere near sufficient to fully understand what its like.
But yeah, it did net result in me finally defeating my impostor syndrome... I actually have genuine self confidence now.
I have literally survived things that ... I literally saw kill other people, directly in front of me.
Made my way for a good bit of it by basically being the only person around that had basic, functional first aid training, and I more or less traded that for food, cigs, 'reputation points'.
More or less dumb fucking luck that I remembered some trauma oriented medical training I got at gun range years back, and that I was able to hold onto a good more or less medical bugout bag I'd put together in case of emergencies.
Local firefighters were a lot more helpful and trustworthy than local cops, in terms of actually helping out with dire medical situations...
So I am a bit pleasantly biased towards firefighters in that way too, haha.
Anyway yeah, one of these days, I'll get to go on a hike again, and that'll honestly be me being a happy and fully content man.
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