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[–] 277 points 1 year ago (39 children)

Hell no. Just use decentralized apps, fediverse etc. It's not about "protecting" children. It's about full control and power. So don't give up.

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  • [–] 68 points 1 year ago* (11 children)

    It’s about the information vacuum. Now every service will get your ID or photo, giving them both age and a whole sort of other metrics to build a profile on you. And yes, Lemmy.ca doesn’t know that about me.

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I gotta be honest I thought I’d never be able to quit Reddit. But it was a lot easier when I just did it. If this shit becomes the norm, I’ll back out of a site first time they try that shit and block the site. Maybe I’ll just have to stop using the internet. Wouldn’t that be a net positive on my life. You made me do this, capitalism.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    You made me do this, capitalism.

    This is a problem with Government not an economic system. It's about control, not dollars, pounds, or yuan.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Capitalism runs on top of government. Governments create and enforce the notion that a human, or a fictional human with fractional ownership (corporation), can in turn own arbitrarily large and important objects.

    This is often done at the behest of said arbitrarily-large-and-important-thing-owners, who also come up with other similarly terrible ideas to have the government do.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    But this scene was set by capitalism. The family friendly, market friendly internet is the basis for this entire issue. Yeah, government is the one finally pulling the trigger on sanctioned, total control, but we’ve been surveilled and profiled and censored for decades at this point by countless corporations for ad dollars. We’ve gone through the cycles of outrage and acquiescence and outrage and acquiescence as things have gotten worse and worse—same goes for the quality of politician, all bought and paid for by telecom companies neutering everything we can do to make the market and internet more favorable while the politicians got worse and worse and we began accepting it and just laughing it off.

    And here we are. Don’t be fooled, this is 100% at the feet of capitalism.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    every service will get your ID or photo

    To be fair, that's not how it will work. The site and the identity verifier will be two different things, the verifier only attests that you are not underage and the site doesn't get your identity.

    Still harmful though, because you can be sure that there will be scamsites redirecting people to fake but real looking verifiers for blackmail and identity theft purposes.

    I for one will never put my ID or photo into any age verifier ever.

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  • [–] 46 points 1 year ago* (18 children)

    decentralized apps, fediverse

    Those apps and / or the fediverse itself would get sued into the ground and shut down one app or server at a time. There's nothing stopping any Governments authorities from going after servers inside their borders and there's nothing stopping them from "harmonizing" identity verification restrictions among other countries. They've already done it once with Intellectual Property law.

    This push to de-anonymize the Internet isn't new either. Microsoft started this back in the oughts with their Passport / Digital-ID program. Google and Meta, along with others, long ago launched their own versions and it's why you can sign into so many websites with a Google or Facebook account.

    It's generally referred to as IdP and now that the Internet has been fully corporatized, with minor holdouts, you can bet your bippy that the days of anonymous access are ending.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    You'd need to decentralize the Internet itself. Good luck with that one...

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    What do you mean by that? Most of the infrastructure that makes up the internet is owned by like 6 companies.

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    So do a million different forms of encryption. That doesn't make the infrastructure any less centralized. If the people who own the fiber decide to only allow pre-approved types of traffic to cross their networks then it doesn't make any difference what sort of protocols exist. Building free cross-country or subsea fiber routes is not economically viable and the internet doesn't exist without them.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Please look into how i2p works. It’s not just some form of encryption.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Please explain how you can bypass carrier enforced traffic shaping policy.

    From geti2p.net:

    I2P's protocols are efficient on most platforms, including cell phones, and secure for most threat models. However, there are several areas which require further improvement to meet the needs of those facing powerful state-sponsored adversaries, and to meet the threats of continued cryptographic advances and ever-increasing computing power.

    The people involved in the project you're referring to acknowledge that governments can, by influencing carrier policy, disrupt and subvert the project's intended function. Why then are you implying they are incorrect?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)
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    While there are interesting projects in that list, everything that I see is either only useful in a local setting, like wireless mesh networks and their derivative protocols, or assumes that no one is actively restricting what can be transmitted over the privately owned long haul fiber networks that make up the backbone of the internet. How would someone in Seattle transmit more data than can be sent via a ham radio equivalent signal to someone in New York without the use of those fiber networks?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    infrastructure that makes up the internet is owned by like 6 companies.

    GAFAM holds a large chunk of social media HTTP/S traffic, plus cloud crap. That's all application layer.
    Do they own main trunk IP routers too?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    They do wade into the IP / transport territory a bit but those are not the 6 companies I was referring to. I was thinking of Verizon / AT&T / Lumen / Zayo / etc.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Those for sure... in the US.
    Which international ties to they have? I know Vodafone is present in a lot of countries (the brand, it's a different company altogether in each country) but don't know many more... nor do i know of any that has a global monopoly of network nodes.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Lumen and Verizon both have subsea cable connections to Europe. EXA Infrastructure is in the process of acquiring Aqua Comms, both of which own subsea cables. Google, MS, and Meta have all invested in subsea infrastructure to varying degrees as well. These are not monopolies in the classic sense of the word but they're not exactly owned by benevolent interests either.

    That said, the point is that a malicious government with sufficient pull, for example the current Trump administration, wouldn't have to bully very many people to severely limit the flow of information between North America and Europe. So much of the internet depends on US infrastructure that this wouldn't be terribly far off from censoring the entire internet. In that scenario there isn't much that can be done about it. Europe can control their own information flow to Asia and Africa but at minimum this would be a severe disruption for a significant amount of time. Other entities might take such an opportunity to impose their own restrictions and make the situation even worse.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Last time I checked, the p!rate bay still exists. In fact there are many of them. Because the website itself is open source. The same could be done with any other site. If one gets taken down, two more pop up in it's place.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Also apps that don't need servers. Switched to this for staying in touch with family p2p, works surprisingly well https://keet.io/

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    Got this response from one of the developers:

    Looks like a routing issue, it works when navigated to from the index page without a full reload.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Its a server configuration issue. If you have a SPA even server side frameworks that uses native paths you need to configure the server to send all requests to the main application. You'll find documentation of how to do this in the setup for every framework I've run into.

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  • [–] 134 points 1 year ago* (27 children)

    And as soon as that happens, I'm out. I'd rather just opt out of the modern internet. I already have to deal with my information getting leaked from various different services at least once every couple years it seems. I can change a credit card or a password, I can't change my ID.

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  • [–] 53 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    We'll build our own Internet. With black jack and...

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    We already have gemini. A text based internet protocol like gopher.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Whats up with gemini lately? Havent seen anything about it since before covid

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    I'm literally going around trying out old school forum sites this week.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Why do you assume that the old school forums are going to get exempted? They are going to get on the bus or get run over by it just like everywhere else. Government has already proven that they can, and will, regulate those forums.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (6 children)

    Great question!

    First, that the definition of content that is considered "adult" doesn't necessarily mean every forum qualifies. Privacyguides.org likely would not. A car forum likely would not. Facebook must comply because links shared can be "harmful" anywhere on the platform. The fractured nature of Web 1.0 is a feature now, not a bug.

    Second, that proxy measures can reasonably work for forums with smart admins. If I register with an email I can show has been in use since 2007, some forums are willing to accept that as enough evidence. I saw an article somewhere I can't find right now that someone was accepting 5 year old tickets to a concert or something that was an 18+ event. Typically age verification laws are focused on large Web 2.0 platforms and can include lower cost, lower threshold options for sites with a very small number of users.

    Finally, that it might simply take a longer time for anyone to care or even notice some smaller sites. By the time someone comes calling, policies might have already changed several times and reasonable exemptions now mean no work is needed.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    First, that the definition of content that is considered "adult" doesn't necessarily mean every forum qualifies. Privacyguides.org likely would not. A car forum likely would not. Facebook must comply because links shared can be "harmful" anywhere on the platform. The fractured nature of Web 1.0 is a feature now, not a bug.

    if it were so easy. you can post links to the privacyguides forum too. but the bigger problem is that anyone can post anything. if they don't do age verification, they are liable for any forbidden content that slipped through. that can also be used as a form of blackmailing.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    Sure you can post links, but that's not the topic of the forum, and it's not specific the a xountrybor market, which is also a factor right now with the UK law, so it doesnt ping as a problem worth dealing with.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    where did you read that it's the topic of the forum that matters?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I've read what seems like 30+ articles and explainers about the UK law the last few days - this has some lousy (official) defintions. I think the most recent episode of Power User with Taylor Lorenz might cover some of this enough to get the overall sense.

    The topics under scrutiny of the "user-to-user" site is extremely vague beyond obvious porn, but it amounts to if it allows the sharing of links of basic news of any topic, it counts. Because in terms of categorizing "harmful content" for minors, seeing fucking protests happening anywhere, at all is "controversial adult content." But if the links are limited to a very specific topic, say Honda Ridgeline owners, privacy and cyber nerd shit no one cares about) etc., cooking, and other innocuous things, it's a grey zone that doesn't demand compliance. YMMV, but even for a fascist wannabe set of policies can't justify "harmful" material for kids with a Linux forum or a forum for owners of the Honda Ridgeline (WTF?)

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    ok but my point is that if someone posts a protest article link to the honda forum, then, as I understand, the forum will become legally liable for that too. so if the forum guarantee that the link won't even get publicly visible for a second, that's when they don't need to do age verification

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    Forums have mods and admins. As long as they don't allow a topic habitually then, per my understanding for the UK law right now, that would make it exempt.

    Compliance with the ID law is actually quite expensive if you contract Persona as the ID checker. If 1 user of a site not based in tje UK or about UK things posting 1 news article a mod deletes in 10 minutes is enough to trigger a $50,000 compliance contact, then it's enough to be amazing standing for an easily won lawsuit about burdens on small business.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I am already browsing the "old way", since the mess with reddit...

    I found out there is a forum for everything. It's not centralized in one website, but it's not that different than browsing /r/whatever you know.

    More often than not, the discussions are more intelligent and on point too.

    For my doom-scrolling needs, Lemmy does the job.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Lemmy will be pressured into age verification also and most hosts will crumble. $50M per caught infraction is wild.

    We gonna end up going back to libraries. Which actually would be cool as fuck. Like Yentl when all those dudes are hanging out in a big ass room talking philosophy. It'll re-spark the postal service. Live music will thrive. Coz everyone will be like fuck the internet, we'll do it live.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Lemmy will be pressured into age verification also and most hosts will crumble.

    Then just self host

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    ah ha! Guess that's how we beat the system. People would need to sub to your instance though for you to post content right?

    What would the pros and cons be?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    People would need to sub to your instance though for you to post content right?

    I think there is some way to automatically forward your content but I don't self host and am not an expert.

    Pros are that while you could be "defederated", you can't be banned. You make any decisions and could also let others use your system.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Car forums are still alive and well because they're a great repository of knowledge. There are plenty of computing forums too still.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Yep, and every one of them already complies with age verification laws so as new laws are added they're going to comply with those as well. There are very few web admins / sysops / site operators out there who are willing, or even able, to buck these kinds of national laws.

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  • [–] 87 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    We're heading back to the dreams of the 90s with people running websites on non-standard ports and DNS (new rinky dink decentralized DNS?). Take a performance and usability hit for the return of a more decentralized Internet. Probably still more usable than the early internet with all the lessons learned and tools available to modern developers. We can also bring back the term: web master

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  • [–] 147 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Fuck that. The future fucken sucks.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    I'm literally now playing ps2 games on my modbo chip ps2 slim.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I played through Black for the first time this year on my old Fat with a sata hdd. How great was that game? It felt a generation ahead of its time, especially using the higher res display mode and the component video.

    If you don't already have a good controller solution, I highly recommend the Brook Wingman. I'm using mine with a Dual Shock 3 for the analog buttons (gotta have them for Ace Combat), but it supports so many controllers.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    I bought the ps2 slim second hand. Then I personally did the modchip myself. Learning some more advanced soldering skills in the process. Now I'm able to play any game I want. But since it's slim version I can't use a hdd.

    However, I can use samba share. Or usb (but could be slower, and bigger files needs to be split due to fat32 file size limitations). So I setup my samba share on my Linux server. And use OPL to load the games from my samba share on my ps2 using ethernet. It's awesome.

    Furthermore, I use a open source tool called OPL-Pc-Tools to manage my collection of games on my smb share. This tool also works great under Linux.

    I'm trying to force 1080p output in OPL without success yet, but apart from that it's all working now. Took me 1 week from soldering to Samba games ahah. As a bonus I now also have an advance JBC soldering station with multiple tips.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Now that you mention it, I've had mixed results forcing resolutions through OPL. But the factory ones you do with button combos always work great.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Ow actually I just got it working now. With my modbo v5.0. Using ps2 to hdmi adapter. I'm able to set the video mode to HDTV 1920x1080 60hz. So much better now.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I stopped using my hdmi adapter because it wasn't looking as good as the component video. You got the 1920 to work? What version of OPL do you have? I might have to try it again!

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Latest stable release, which is currently version 1.1.0. While I do have 1920x1080 60hz working. Just keep in mind that not every game has 1080, however even then when you are forcing 1080 you might get less blurry results.

    See attachment image.

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  • [–] 65 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    If it comes to Lemmy, I quit. I'll go touch grass all day, I don't mind.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    I don't see how anybody could come for lemmy. I feel this just attacks centralized services

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If they threaten server admins with legal action based on the global user count of lemmy rather than their local server user count I'm sure plenty of owners will fold.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago*

    Lemmy is probably not complying with UK law already. But if hosted outside the UK you can just ignore them.

    Some instances have blocked the UK but you can also just ignore it because wtf are they going to do

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Lemmy is still very centralized, sure there are many servers and that takes care of the /u/spez problem but very little else, most topic generally have one big community and it's on the one big server

    You can go elsewhere, if you like speaking into the void and nobody even hearing you.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    one big community and it’s on the one big server

    Which you can follow from another server, what's your point?

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    This is why the Dark-web exists.

    • Tor
    • I2P
    • Yggdrasil
    • LokiNet
    • FreeNet
    • ZeroNet
    • GNUnet (In the distant future)

    Did I miss anything ?

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