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[–] 56 points 1 year ago (1 child)

That’s exactly what is so nice about FOSS based systems. You can use technology but without the tech bros and the corporate enshittification.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    FOSS is great and I love it but we do have our own idiots/FOSSbros, even if it's not about corporate enshittification.

    Saw a post on wafrn (rip on maintenance rn) complaining about FOSSbros and was confused, until they gave an example of this blog post where some asshole was shitting on the author for having criticisms against distros for not being easy and friendly for blind/visually empaired people. The blog post is line-by-line breakdown of that guy's comment.

    Original CommentOkay, first of all, it’s GNU/Linux, not “Linux.” You keep saying “Linux” like it’s some magic OS that fell from the sky, when in reality it’s just the kernel. The real operating system—the one that gives you your shells, your coreutils, your compilers, your sanity—is the GNU system. By not calling it GNU/Linux, you’re erasing the work of decades of free software pioneers who fought tooth and nail so you could sit there whining about things not being shiny enough. You sound like the kind of person who installs Arch and then blogs about how hard it is to use a terminal. News flash: it’s not hard—you’re just lazy.

    Second, the whole “Linux isn’t built for people” line? Give me a break. You want an OS that’s “built for people”? What people? Consumers? Passive clickers? People who treat a computer like a Netflix vending machine? GNU/Linux isn’t built for users the way Apple or Microsoft defines users—as data sources for ads, or potential subscribers to whatever crapware-as-a-service model they’re shoving this fiscal quarter. GNU/Linux is built for users in the sense of users who use their brains. If you're allergic to learning, maybe this ecosystem isn’t for you—and that’s fine, just stop trying to dumb it down for the rest of us.

    You’re mad because you don’t “feel welcomed”? Look, freedom isn’t about making you feel hugged while your system silently phones home and installs DRM. GNU/Linux is about you owning your machine. It’s about writing a shell script to replace some bloated GUI monstrosity because you can. It’s about reading the manual and understanding your stack, not begging for some dev to “just make it work like macOS.” You’re not being excluded—you’re being challenged. If you don't like that, maybe stick to using ChromeOS with your Google account tethered to every bodily function.

    And don’t think I didn’t notice you never once mentioned freedom in your post. Not even once. Not a single nod to software freedom, user control, or the social contract behind all this code. That tells me everything I need to know. You think this is about convenience, when it’s really about liberation. This isn’t about your fonts not rendering or your Wi-Fi card needing a firmware blob. This is about you refusing to confront the responsibilities of being in control.

    You want GNU/Linux to “love you back”? That’s not how this works. GNU/Linux isn’t Trump, trying to flatter you while stabbing you in the back. It’s not some product that wants to manipulate your emotions to get you to upgrade. It’s a tool, and it assumes you’re smart enough to wield it. If you want love, get a dog. If you want freedom, open a terminal.

    So we do have the "FOSS is always easy and gets the job done, if you can't handle it you're an incompetent toddler who just wants big tech to make your life easy," tech bros. Like that "smart guy makes fun of disenfranchised people for still participating in a society" comic.

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  • [–] 113 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    We're techy enough nerds to know there's another way to be free of billionaire influence while still keeping some resemblance of modern communication: self-hosting.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    So do I, but I wouldn't recommend it for everybody. Hosting your email has sucked for decades. For a long time the issue was incoming spam. That never really went away, but now in addition to that you get a constant barrage of people trying to crack into your server. Plus, you get the fun of trying to convince the big email gatekeepers that you're still legit. And for that one they change the rules constantly and on a whim.

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  • [+] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)
  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Ðe peer group really is a concern. And OSS kind of stinks for normies much of ðe time.

    I got ðe family on Circles, and my SIL (ðe one with ðe toddler) loved it... until it lost all of her posts for ðe family, and ðen shut down.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    My family and immediate friends are all on my Matrix server.

    I have my own dedicated public server, so I can selfhost anything I want. And I do selfhost a lot.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah, but Matrix has bridges for almost anything.

    And people still use email.

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    [–] 83 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    We don't need to go back to handwritten mail, FOSS is the way to go.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    Writing someone a letter is a very personal thing and you're creating a memory. Something tangible, concrete, also weighs in on reality. Looking at a piece of paper with your handwrite makes you understand you're commiting to something.

    I'm a FOSS loon but the craze of making everything digital is absurd. I've listened to people criticizing others for using paper and a pencil to take down a memo, note or even journaling, when they can do it on their phone.

    Is existing so dreadful nowadays? Does the notion of leaving proof of existence scares?

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Its nothing to do with contempt for the media, or not wanting to leave evidence of my existence or anything like that, its just that I got shit to do.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago*

    Yeah, handwriting sucks. I used to type my homework in a mechanical typewriter, holy cow even that sucked. Going from that to an electrical typewriter that could hold a line in memory was amazing, but still nothing compared to a proper word processor. Wordstar in MS-DOS anyone?

    I still like to sketch my ideas from time to time, but all my permanent notes are stored in Joplin, encrypted, in local backup, and synced to the cloud. I can’t afford to lose them, and I can’t afford to lug around with me a heavy suitcase of papers.

    I’ve seen young people wishing for simpler times, kids using Polaroid cameras, hunting retro consoles that were already ancient when they were born, longing for music that was way before their time, etc. I get they’re disillusioned with the current state of things, but romanticizing the past is not a healthy way to cope with the horrible today.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (8 children)

    I don't doubt you have a busy life. And that is not the subject at hand here.

    What should concern us, collectively, is that we are constantly being pushed the notion that we do not have enough time and that tech is always the solution, when it is not.

    I'm going to take a risk and say you write faster than you type and reaching for a pencil is quicker than launching a program.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I’m going to take a risk and say you write faster than you type and reaching for a pencil is quicker than launching a program.

    Maybe for you, but opening KWrite takes only 5-6 key presses and I type much faster than I write

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    I most certainly don't write faster than I type, and sending an email or a chat message certainly doesn't take longer than finding something to write with and something to write on. There is a big factor of habit and lifestyle - I don't usually write stuff down, so I don't have prepared/assigned tools for that, but I use my computer a lot, so I do have software installed and tools/commands memorised.

    And, frankly, out of many possible options, plain text is something computers are really good at - there's basically no risk of running out of space, it's indexable and searchable, it's editable, and it's very universal.

    Things do get a bit more complex when you include formatting, and a lot more complicated when you start adding annotations or illustrations, or even just more freeform writing styles, but there's still a major factor of habit - I don't know what my note taking would look like if I had a habit of pen and paper, but I know I'm very comfortable with using tech for that, and it works great for me!

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I'm going to take a risk and say you write faster than you type

    I have a very hard time believing this. From some quick googling, it seems that experienced writers can do 40 wpm, which is really slow in comparison to an (even an inexperienced) typer. Also, typing has no risk of being unreadable, unlike writing (e.g. doctor's written notes).

    and reaching for a pencil is quicker than launching a program.

    Maybe if your computer is really slow.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    An inexperienced typer might be slower than 40 wpm. I've seen people type maybe 10 words per minute using only index fingers and looking for every letter. An inexperienced touch typer is maybe 40-60 wpm range though.

    I do up to around 140 wpm which many people think is lightning fast but then there's people who can do 250 and I can't even comprehend being that fast. Goddamn Sean Wrona.

    Just to give some perspective.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    There is something to be said in writing a handwritten letter for someone special once in a while. But I'm so glad that I can just pick up a phone and call my brother who lives in another state and chat with him (no long distance charges). If it's something better said in writing there's email and texts.

    There's also the aspect of text's that are more personal that no one really talks about. You can just check in on a friend to see how they are doing without really having any other reason to contact them. I know I appreciate it when that happens to me.

    I guess you could write someone a letter asking how they are doing, but if the answer is 'not good', by the time you receive the reply days have passed and you probably missed the opportunity to be there for them when they needed it.

    This isn't even considering the environmental benefits of not having to A) produce paper, pens, envelopes, stamps and B) physically deliver the letters.

    There's a lot of things about modern tech that you could criticize, but I don't think more/better options for communication is one of them honestly.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    or, you know, you can have best of both worlds with open technologies. tech that you own and control.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    I am and probably always will be a tech enthusiast, but as time goes on I find myself more and more looking for old technology to avoid planned obsolescence, anti-repair bs, telemetry & tracking, lack of consideration for quality of life....

    This is not how things were supposed to be. But this is how things will be if we don't do something about oligarchs and certain CEOs.

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  • I always say, it peaked about 2010, maybe earlier. Then innovation stopped, and surveillance REALLY took off. All they have left now is your data, and ads, because the iPhone was the last actually innovative useful device.

    Its not worth innovating in late stage capitalism when you can make everything a subscription and gouge your customers for life while making your product worse and worse.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Technology can develop in various directions. This is exactly what it looks like when technology is developed for consumerism. Buy more now, it doesn't need to last, stimulate the economy. Rent what you can, everything else as a service.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    It is really weird, isn’t it. I’ve always been a major enthusiast for Tech. Always wanted to get in on VR when it was first evolving, as I could see how else could use VR. I bought oneof the first iPods cause I messed with one and realized it was a game changer for what we had at that time. Now, I find myself cautioning people on the use of AI and home automation. I feel like I’m turning into a Luddite.

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  • [–] 63 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (16 children)

    That last panel hit me like a truck because... yeah, that's what people think happens when they do their little personal choice things to pretend they matter.

    They really buy like a paper book once and go "ah, yes, Bezos is fuming right now" while he makes another billion.

    We have lost all sense of how to influence society and all ability to gauge scale. For all the folksy traditionalism in this (which includes driving a gas guzzler from the 70s, apparently?) the Internet has created this entirely disproportionate sense of our footprint on the world and this strip is as much a result of the hyperconnected dystopia as everything it's complaining about.

    In my experience this is extra bad for Americans who, frankly, didn't need that much of a push to go from their individualist, self-centered perception of society to this vision of sitting on a couch listening to a walkman as activism.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Oh how I long for the day someone invents a car without a touchscreen.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I’m a fan of big screens myself. What I’m not a fan of is putting everything into that screen. I want the screen for the infotainment system only. All hvac and essential controls should still be physical buttons and dials. And of course, ditch all the tracking and data collection that comes with the car.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You're doing a lot more to save the planet by driving an old car and fixing it than buying a new one that gets 5 mpg more. People are dumb about this. Reuse is the most important thing. Buying a new prius is FAR worse than keeping on driving a 99 grand prix.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    Honestly that exists. Just bought a BMW i3 (their first electric) and you can disable just about everything, even the sound it makes to alert pedestrians, the infotainment warning screen everyone hates, and seat belt chimes, through an app and a BT OBDII dongle. The 2014-2017 models all have 3G cellular antennas so they mostly don’t work anymore (3G is totally gone in my area). It also has buttons for climate and their great iDrive infotainment controller. It’s a fantastic quirky electric at dirt cheap prices.

    BUT, your point stands since that’s 1 out of how many electric vehicles? Yeah, sucks.

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  • [+] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I think the point is that we're deluded to think that voting with our wallets does anything. You still work. You still buy. You still support the system. The one step you're taking only gets you partway from the couch to the refrigerator. It doesn't get you out the door and into a protest that would actually make a difference.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Indeed, you are thoroughly pacified. Your objections and moral outage quelled and your sense of significance sustained by the illusion that simply buying from a different conglomerate will have any impact.

    Any suggestion that your impotent protest is inadequate must surely come from a childish fool.

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  • [+] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's so hard for people to agree that we should be doing something. Instead you argue that you are not going to do anything just out of spite all because OP personally may not be doing anything but their words are a bit preachy. If OP was a hypocrite but they still said the right thing why would you deliberately disagree? What would motivate you to act?

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  • [+] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)
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    Just, please, stop with idiotic replies accusing people to be enslaved in the system because it's an insult to anyone who is currently looking for a solution for cancer, saving lives as a firefighter, building houses where people will live, growing crops, and even keeping up internet so people can praise the revolution against the machine from their bedrooms.

    First of all, I didn't accuse anybody of anything here except try to push back against what I percieved as a comment that is disapproving of debate:

    Ping me when you changed the world with whatever you are actually doing behind that keyboard 👋

    Secondly, Minimizing participation in the orphan-crushing machine but also debating politics on available platforms are not antithetical. Debating online is as important as doing the rest of the things you say are "real" worthwhile pursuits. For instance: How can we pursue a cure for cancer if the political climate ensures scientists are scorned and distrusted? If evangelising about the "real" problems you care about is labelled as politics then can you really make progress without "political" action such as debating?

    In the same vein, doing the small things in protest is the stepping stones to doing bigger things. It works the same way for any pursuit. Why shouldn't I practice discipline with my disdain for all the small evil while also pushing for more?

    Edit: Add the quote that i felt was misunderstanding why we need to protest in our own small ways.

    Edit2: I think we are in agreement. I misread the thread. My comment is actually a refutation of the main post.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Masturbating, I'm masturbating. And so are you when you think that voting with your wallet does anything.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Also, it's getting harder and harder to live without modern devices.

    Try living in the modern world without a cell phone. It's hard to do almost anything without one. If you get a flip phone that can handle text messages you can get a bit further, but it's a matter of time before that's not enough.

    And sure, you can listen to cassettes on a walkman. And maybe you saved some tapes from 40 years ago, and maybe they still work. But, how do you get more music? Sure, you can probably find a place to order tapes online. But, then they want to verify your account and that means texting a verification code to your phone and...

    As for print media. Sure, you can still buy paper books. But, if you want a real newspaper, good luck. There are a few that are still around, AFAIK you can still get the NY Times in print. But, I really doubt you still even have a local newspaper, let alone a newspaper that prints on paper.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    All but one of the major papers where I'm from have a print version. I imagine that changes in different countries.

    But... yeah, point taken. Over here you can't even not have a Whatsapp account. Some businesses and transactions just... assume you do and default to it for communication.

    An interesting wrinkle is that some of that legacy media is part of this loop, too. You can, in fact, buy new tape players and tapes and you can put new music into them. It's all just very expensive trendy, hipstery small run collector stuff that costs a lot of money and sells to privileged people with a nostalgic desire for posturing. Which does put a lot of where this message ends up in context, I suppose.

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    [–] 18 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Pre-computer cars sucked. Anyone that’s worked on mechanical fuel injection will tell you so.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Dude I would love a non computerized car with fuel injection. Of course I stay with an older car with computer. My tuck and wife car are sending shit to tech bros.

    I.would be interested in starting a penpal club. That be something cool to bring back in vogue. Of course we could start forms that don't do tracking or drown you in ads.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    I've been wanting to convert my life to "off grid tech". I have a nest camera i bought in 2016. So it's pre Google. Starting about 6 months ago, Google told me unless I allow them full 24/7 access to the cam then I can't use it. A product i bought almost a decade ago is useless unless I let them spy on me. Fuck you Google.

    So anyways, off grid tech. Home surveillance on my own local server protected with physical data and VPN. No more streaming, pirate everything with local server. No more Google or Amazon anything. Music? Mp3. Email? No Gmail, maybe Proton or something. I'll do all banking through home desktop through VPN. Etc, etc.

    I hope to have all these things achieved by 2030

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    For email, I recommend purelymail. It's ran by one guy I believe, but it's a solid cheap service. It's also pretty easy to setup your own email domains. I'm probably just a nerd, but I love custom email domains.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I would strongly recommend you at least have your own domain if you intend on buying a service from one guy. Everyone can land under a bus one day.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    that sure would be a BIG bus!! i didn't know flashmobs went this far...

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I think the issue people have with "tech" is that much of the software and devices sold take up too much space and do things people don't want them to do, without offering choice, configurability, and options for full control

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    This is what I see whenever I see an apple device. There's very little control that the user can exert that Apple hasn't blessed to be something within your control.

    All computers are general purpose logic machines and they're intentionally making them not do things that they absolutely could otherwise do, just because.

    Not saying iPhones are bad, or that Mac's are bad.... I've just noticed that if you do things in a way that is compatible with how Apple thinks you should do them, then Apple works very well for you. If you have foolish notions to do things differently (or, "think different"... If you will), then you're going to have a bad time.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If you use homebrew you can install all kinds of things on a mac. So, you get the power of a Unix-based machine with the nice eye-candy, ease of use, rock solid drivers, etc. of an Apple device.

    But, the phones are another matter. Those things are so locked down it's ridiculous. We really need competition in the mobile phone OS market.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I am now using lineage which is fine but still way too restrictive for my tastes. I tried using linux(postmarketos) as I am fine with a lot of inconveniences but was unable to make or take calls, which is kind of a hard line. There should just be an android based phone os which is degoogled and rooted by default, but really the problem lies with the hardware, I think. There need to be more phones with open firmware to make an alternative os really possible.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Yes, if you leverage the powers of root and you know what you are doing, you can endlessly modify MacOS to your heart's delight.

    I find most people don't have that ability. They stick to the Apple app store and color inside of the lines that Apple has put down.

    It's no small feat to overcome some of the "safeguards" they have put in your way with modifying the device.

    If you use an iPhone and you don't like the Apple way of doing everything, your options are basically: 1. Tough shit, deal with it, or 2. Don't use an iPhone.

    Android has a lot of the same protections, but you can still, from the user interface, bypass a lot of it, by design. It's "not recommended", but you can do it.

    Microsoft is trying to move towards what Apple is doing. The TPM requirement allows Microsoft to basically hold the keys to the kingdom, so to speak. What they're aiming for is a root of trust (which is naturally, Microsoft), that allows all other things on your PC to run without warnings or dialogs, if they have been blessed by Microsoft's certificate authority for code signing (which is a requirement for drivers, but not nearly as strict of a requirement for applications).

    This is the foundation of the "trusted computing" thing that they're pushing forward. The problem I have with "trusted computing" is who is issuing the trust? So far it seems like Microsoft is.... Which is not great IMO.

    However, since Windows is only requiring that level of trusted signature on code for drivers, we're not to the same dystopia that MacOS has been "enjoying" for years.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    Cutting out the middle man does not involve technologically regressing.

    Cutting out the middle man means stepping up and learning how the tech you use in your daily lives actually works. The only reason some tech bro can step in and ruin your life is if you let them keep you ignorant through convenience.

    You want to cut out the middle man? Use, and support, open source. Fight to make everything that requires a server, be a server that you own in your own home (or is federated and in your local community). Use, and support, repairable technology... And actually repair your technology!

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    does not involve technologically regressing.

    The fallacy that technological progress is inherently good is simply flawed. You could say "instead of relying on Spotify, and instead of "technologically regressing", learn open source alternatives and host your own Jellyfin server!"

    But what was wrong with "technologically regressing" exactly? A MP3, CD or even tape recording player will: always work, sound great, require zero user friction, never receive updates or security flaws, not depend on a convoluted self hosted setup.

    Do you want to listen to music or impress Lemmy? There's absolutely no argument to be made that requires accepting all tech simply because it's tech.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Technological progress isn't inherently anything. It's just technological progress; an inevitability. Fighting against it is like fighting the laws of the universe, if not outright stupidly phobic.

    What defines the "goodness" of technology is how people choose to use it.

    Everything more said is just pointless philosophical fluff.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Technological progress isn’t inherently anything

    Exactly. So arguing that "you shouldn't technologically regress" is meaningless.

    Fighting against it is like fighting the laws of the universe

    Not only is this not applicable to the argument at hand, given there's no law of nature that makes a CD player implode just because Spotify exists, but this statement is so bizarrely wrong it's almost hard to take the rest of the discussion seriously.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Exactly. So arguing that "you shouldn't technologically regress" is meaningless.

    Did you lose track of your own argument?

    You assumed that I meant technological progress is inherently good. I said technological progress isn't good or bad, just inevitable. That does not mean that technological regression isn't inherently bad.

    And yes, the CD player did implode, figuratively, because Spotify exists. :)

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    Calling somebody using a retro MP3 player "Amish 2.0" is as moronic as calling you a tech bro neuralink implanted Musk boy just because you're defending technological progress. Both would be equally ridiculous statements, but the difference is, you actually wrote the moronic comment.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    These technology phobes are the next generation who will be scammed out of their pension fund, inheritance or investments just like current boomers who refused to advance along with the world, and they deserve to be hacked, scammed, robbed because they refuse to keep learning.

    Learn or get left behind.

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    [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    help desk -> sysadmin -> CISO -> goat farmer

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