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[–] 130 points 1 year ago (11 children)

This is big! Grid scale Sodium Ion battery technology is (on paper) the best candidate for cheap large scale electricity storage. The fact that this company is working on 9 pilot deployments mean that this will likely produce the real world results that the paper exercises promise.

There are SO MANY advantages of Sodium Ion battery tech for grid storage over everything else we've used so far (nearly all Lithium based).

Sodium Ion batteries:

  • don't have as intense thermal management needs Lithium chemistries
  • don't have the massive negative environmental impact for their source materials (because its a part of regular old table/sea salt)
  • doesn't have the massive swings in capacity when operated in extreme hot or cold temperatures. Sodium Ion doesn't care.

The only downsides to Sodium Ion is that the batteries are physically larger for the same amount of energy stored (which isn't a problem for stationary storage), and the charging/discharging curves are not as linear as other chemistries (which again, isn't an issue because these are purpose built applications where the curves can easily be managed by battery management systems).

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  • [–] 75 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I would happily dedicate a corner of my garage for a big sodium ion battery.

    Also, fun fact they can charge and discharge faster than lithium ion. Also, their chemistry doesn't lead to spontaneous combustion. Perfect for a house backup.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Can we make them from desalination plants, in part? Or no? I don't know the science for it.

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  • [–] [S] 30 points 1 year ago* (3 children)
  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It's both amazing and hilarious that our battery production is similar to modded Minecraft logic.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    What about the environmental impact of degraded sodium ion batteries?

    I'm not going to take sodium mining into account, as there are many ways that it can be extracted, with probably minimal impact, like salt evaporation ponds. I assume it's less destructive than building a hydro dam.

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  • I'm really excited about na-ion, if commercial BMS circuitry was available I would already have some for a few home automation and sensing projects because of their low temp performance alone. But I'll have to spin up a custom implementation with an arduino or something and I don't have that kind of skills lol.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I work for a controller OEM that builds the brains for managing these systems. It’s cutting edge stuff.

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The part that controls/balances the discharge profiles, right? Because sodium batteries have a more non-linear discharge pattern.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    I wonder which is saltier, oil companies or the batteries.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    It would be nice to see a price/GWh of this (along with running costs, it says they save 1 Million per GWh, how much were the running costs before!?), but any improvement in battery tech is definitely a good thing.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    But why US? Can't store fracking oil in there.

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Finally something the EU can invest those 600 billion in. Or buy it, like lots of EU startups were by FAANG companies years ago. Tramp says it's dead tech, so it's ok.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    That much salt is not going to be good for blood pressure.

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    [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    whats good is that the most populous countries all have their own soda ash supply chain, so each country can independently prop up the industry without major reliance to others. helps promote competion for prices globally.

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