Stop using any sites that require ID.
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the internet won't ask shit, specific websites will, which can and should be avoided
I'll continue to not ask for ID and run my own services open to anyone and everyone.
Hope that this will completely kill the corporate Internet and switch to exclusively using FOSS federated or decentralized services for everything.
I'll avoid the ID demanding sites. Feels similar to how I never got into iPods because I didn't like iTunes, mp3 players still happened.
I moved songs to my ipod with winamp.
If you need your id to access internet: not use it anymore, selfhosting go brrr
If you need your id for all content-sharing websites like social media or microblogging: return back to good ol webrings and static websites. Can't kill the web on its core principles. No algorithms, pure passion and creativity.
Stop using the Internet. Seriously.
I already only used open source products for decades now, and the Internet is just a network, you can use different networks, different protocols if you want, even embedded on current Internet protocols, or maybe use even something that completely sidesteps the Internet
Either way, the Internet has mostly been a failure
stop using internet and we can go back spending more time in farms, book, etc. what a peaceful day ✨
I dont mind if its implemented like it has been in germany for a while with eID. With an open source desktop or mobile app that uses NFC to talk to your ID and can be used to verify your age online to a 3rd party without leaking your birthday or any other personal info to them.
I dont know why there is so much screaming about age verification going on when these cryptographically provable anonymous systems already exist. Remember that "stop killing games" EU campaign with a million signatures? That also used exactly this system.
I would prefer not having any verification, but as that is not gonna happen at this point, i think its more important to focus on HOW to implement it. I dont understand why these companies like discord arent being forced to use these existing verification systems. Those arent legally provable at all so why arent they being sued for this?
It's very unlikely that most states will use a truly open source solution, especially when big tech makes it so easy not to. Case in point: https://github.com/eu-digital-identity-wallet/av-doc-technical-specification/discussions/19
what different networks or protocols does exist?
All of my services are in a WireGuard VPN. The Internet only transports my VPN traffic. My cloud services run in a locked box, in my house and the only thing coming out of that box is VPN traffic.
To my devices, they just think that they're on a LAN.
I do use this site, but I limit/lie about personal details and use a VPN. I assume I'm identifiable and act accordingly.
The homelab and Linux communities are a good place to start. There's a lot of very well made free and open source software (FOSS) that can, with some effort (mostly learning), replace most of the cloud services you use.
For example: I use Jellyfin (movies, TV Shows) and Audiobookshelf (books/Audiobooks) to replace all of the streaming services. HomeAssistant for home automation, power management, etc. Zoneminder(experimenting with Frigate) for security.
It's all free, for homeassistant and zoneminder you'll have to check for compatible hardware and everything requires you to set up the server/networking side of things. But if you're willing to put in the time to learn, it's a fun hobby that pays for itself (assuming you're paying for streaming, home automation, cloud storage, etc).
We should really start concentrating more on decentralization.
Take Freifunk as example and similar projects.
What we need is a user-run private alternative to the internet. Wireless mesh networks are a very interesting step in that direction.
As long the infrastructure is owned by the government and companies, we will never be really free.
I guess I'll start pirating things like local news, weather forecasts, and garbage pickup schedules.
In the meantime, I'll continue to self-host what I can, de-couple from online services, and find alternatives to get information from.
Honestly, back off. The more tech literate I get, the less tech I want in my life.
Not much changes. This will affect the commercial web, but I consider that the commercial web’s polish to be not really worth the privacy invasion before this. All the small web/fediverse/indie web/open source/Free/gemini/gopher/irc/ whatever alternative stuff is plenty to keep me happy, despite always being clunkier. It’s good enough.
P2P more?
whats still p2p today? seems like mostly everything was updated to run through corporate servers. i mean heck chats no longer has the capabilities they used to when things were p2p; now, a chat has like one single feature, to chat, and half the time that doesn't even work because their servers are down lol.
whats still p2p today? seems like mostly everything ...
Sure 99.99% of traffic might still go through Netflix and Spotify and YouTube... but even .01% of traffic going through The Pirate Bay or CloudTorrents or Anna's Archive (which does provide torrents) it's still billions of files shared by millions of people, directly, from their computers to yours.
FWIW to get a very rough approximation, according to https://torrentfreak.com/bittorrent-is-no-longer-the-king-of-upstream-internet-traffic-240315/ BitTorrent is about ~5% of worldwide traffic.
My own perspective is that... not only streaming works well but there is also a huge economical incentive. YouTube started by facilitating the sharing of video content, including pirate one, BUT also made a way to earn money through ads. TikTok did the same with an ever bigger promise of fame. So I think the mechanism changed, namely it's not anymore about sharing content "just" to share but it's also with the hope of making an income from it. It's probably important to disentangle all that before comparing too much the trends.
PS: my own P2P (optional for transfer and with registrations closed, so mostly for me to broadcast my own content) video server https://video.benetou.fr/ relying on PeerTube to give also an example without any pirated content.
What do you mean by chat? Because IRC has never been p2p. What existed as p2p 20 years ago and doesn't today? I think they are all still here. It's users that turned elsewhere but the p2p networks are still alive and well.
Stop using any sites that require ID.
Ditto. Also:
- Try to use Memoji to make fake ID
- Go to the mall =O
- Go to the library
- Go to the brick and mortar places I used to visit before getting everything online (eg. bank, fam owned businesses)
- Talk to people instead of AI (going to practice that this weekend)
- Go for a walk outside instead of updating the firmware on treadmill
- Buy stamps! (and stationery, no more ecards or evites)
- Learn to plant food in addition to flowers
- Use iPhone to make phone calls
- Maybe buy a newspaper… maybe
- Use my cookbooks more (after I dust them off)
- Think of a new name/alias(es) for myself and start acting the part
…just to name a few.
Buy stamps!
Postcrossing is really cool. You send and recieve post cards across the globe!
That’s awesome, SomeAmateur! I used to love sending postcards when I was younger, can’t believe I never heard of it. Thank ypu!
In case somebody’s curious, here’s a link to the Postcrossing website.
Honestly, this makes me happy to hear. I wish I could meet people and make friends like I used to before everything got enshittified.
Don't use iPhone, use Fairphone with /e/OS or any dump phone, even the old Nokia in your drawer, which for sure still works, and only for calls.
Use the I2P network
I’ve been seriously thinking about going back to Nokia. De-googled a few years ago, stopped using iCloud and switched to cross-platform and open-source software.
Currently, the Murena Fairphone 4 is the only one you can use in the US (Fairphone doesn’t directly deal with US customers) and incompatible with Verizon and AT&T. They recommend T-Mobile for US coverage.
Also heard about Cape here on a Lemmy post But Fairphone is “not eligible yet”.
This is the old Nokia 3650 that’s in my drawer. I loved it! Then AT&T made me upgrade because they were no longer supporting the old networks.

Thank you, Zerush! It’s nice to know that someone else thinks the same way.
Fairphone is expensive. You can get a used Motorola G7 Power and flash /e/ on it, if you like. Just need to find one is OEM unlocked, or know how to unlock it yourself.
Not so expensive on long term and anyway cheaper than a iPhone with similar specs, the advantage of Fairphone is, it's modular, you can substitute or fix easy everything in the phone by yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1UJ5k3yMvA
If you use Murena mail, Murena (e-Foundation) is a EU Cloud provider (OpenSource, selfhostable, encrypted, no-knowledge, green energy) and author of /e/OS and NextCloud, apart asociated with FairPhone, you can buy it there (Murena Phone) with /e/OS by default. It's by far the best alternative of GDrive, made in the EU.
Murena Workspace

Powered by OnlyOffice 🤮
Only Office is an OpenSource and encrypted online office suite, made in the EU. You can even selfhost it. Full compatible with files from MS Office. But if you know better online Office suites, use it. It's very valid that Murena use it.
It's slow and prone to crashing. The formatting makes the documents not compatible with other clients half the time. I have lost way too many documents due to corruption when saving (both on third party hosts and selfhosting). I'm absolutely done with that junk. Or, I'd like to be, but any alternative has dropped their own efforts in favor of just setting up an OnlyOffice, basically making them one of the very few open source options out there now in terms of web based office clients.
The speed depends not of the Office suite as such, but on the server it use to host it, Murena hosted it on the own server (NextCloud), but as said, you are free to host it by yourself. I'm an old retiree and don't need a big cloud service, enough for me to store the few things locally and for this I prefer to use the online SSuite, also privacy focused, even if it isn't OpenSource. Also Html5, but without account, anonym, free and blazing fast, no ads, no trackers, nor other crap, files a stored locally. It's a hobby project from 2 electricians, which gain money with their jobs, no interests of tracking or user data to make money.
I lived great before the Internet, I'll live just as great after it's gone.
Pixel phone running Calyx, VPN, physical maps, second name, second phone number, leaving most platforms, trying to take my people with me
I would like to think I would just stop using the Internet, or at least adopt a protocol like Gemini. How that would work exactly is hard to say, since the Internet is almost mandatory these days. Still, you have to be willing to inconvenience yourself to maintain at least some control on privacy and security online.
I have the feeling that limiting yourself to Gemini would guarantee you basically only ever communicate with the weirdest of the weird.
You opened me up to a whole new world with Gemini. I think we need to spread the word about this more. Thanks so much. <3
Self host even more.. Use Gemini even more
A simple Web-like hypertext system without styles and scripts. The protocol can be implemented in two days by a complete idiot (I have my own Gemini viewer, I may not be terribly proud of it, but I like it).
Is this like Gopher?
You will need a new browser like lagrange
the first few very interesting “capsules” I found are:
gemini://gemini.circumlunar.space/capcom/
gemini://midnight.pub/
Thank you so much for this. It opened me to a whole new world! <3 I think we need to spread the knowledge about this more.
get a fake ID
As of now I only visit a handful of privacy respecting sites on a regular basis. For all others I use web archive links rather than actually visiting the site.
I've gone long years without using any social media associated to my identity, as many others do, and i'll eat my cooked shirt if I start thinking, "hey sure why not let me into this shitty internet".
I'll be fine without using the internet if it comes down to it, at that point it'd be a liability. Dinosaurs think they can control the internet which is a hilarious proposition in the first place.
Dark web
Touch Grass maybe
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The commercial web that I use that might require ID would be for payment processing etc. My bank knows how old I am. I can and will pay bills directly through my bank instead of using their portal. Or they can explain to me in writing why they don't want to take my payment. Just about everything else is optional.
Hard to say.
Sounds like the alternatives are to suck it up, leave the country for somewhere that isn't the case yet, stop using the internet...
There definitely is a line where requiring nonsense is more effort than it is worth. That line has already definitely been crossed by "news media". The quality of articles and interviews is so abysmal, that any hear say you get over three rebounds over social media is still somehow equal to the original bad source.
Social media is on the edge. I don't expect to have a serious discussion on facebook or twitter, that's why I don't go there. If it's easier to hang out in a bar near a library to hope someone worth talking to walks in or something like that. That will be the thing to do.
And also, that line will probably just never be actually crossed for internet platforms like amazon or alibaba. Shipping and ordering things online is absurdly convenient compared to go to physical locations and them needing to have the thing stocked, etc..
Most of (open source) software is already built in a way that could be taken offline completely. Internet is just a fast and easy delivery mechanism, but carrying USB sticks is extremely viable for getting code from A to B
And for entertainment, I can honestly just go back to reading books. It's not the total information super highway, but it would be something.
We will then need people like you to bring awareness about alternatives we will be able to shift to. That's probably how most of us ended up here
There's a million porn sites hosted in third world countries that don't give a fuck about any of this


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