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[–] 129 points 1 year ago (3 children)

In other news, the Irish accidentally elected a car.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago

    That website is propaganda group that both fuels and funds far-right movements. They are not journalists, but an influencing machine. The better subs have banned their links.

    If you want to read about our asshat politician and this story in particular, it's covered here: https://irishcycle.com/2025/07/05/td-asks-about-making-high-vis-compulsory-for-all-pedestrians-cyclists-and-users-of-school-transport/

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago

    Sure, make it a problem of everyone else. Just please, please, don't inconvenience the car enthusiasts! 😭

    What about streets that don't endanger others? Bike lanes that don't cross streets? Dunno, make car drivers drive careful?

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Maybe they should also make it mandatory for pedestrians to carry rocket-propelled grenade launchers, and be trained in their operation.

    This would hopefully make car drivers to exercise more caution.

    /sarcasm that has an unfortunate chance of becoming reality in a few decades, you just watch

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  • [–] 63 points 1 year ago (25 children)

    It should be noted that in rural areas, many roads are unlit and quite winding. Ireland has very high road density with lots of minor roads. Many people walk on these roads which have no path. Use of lights and reflective or hi vis clothing is sensible and already common.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I can understand. Once I encountered a jogger wearing a completely black outfit in a dark unlit road. The only reason I saw the guy was because there were a few reflective bits on his shoes. That was a nice scare.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    When I was a poor college kid I recalled a Halloween costume joke from an SNL bit. It involved a black hoodie, black sweatpants, and a black ski mask. All I had to purchase was the ski mask. Don my outfit and I became "The Invisible Pedestrian". Used that costume a few years.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Is wearing hi vis clothing sensible on country roads with no sidewalks? Yes.

    Should it be mandatory just to go out on a walk? No. How about we lower speed limits on those roads or create safer roads. Walking is a basic human right (or moving about in whatever way you need to if your body doesn't allow you to walk). Driving a car is not.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Those roads already have a lower speed limit. I think the geography of the landscape and the neighbouring properties does not allow them to be more visible without loss of scenery.

    Roads are designed for transport. Cars can be fatal. It's all well and good to say we should be safer but is wearing appropriate clothing when walking in a shared car pedestrian zone really be that onerous?

    We already require the cars to have multiple safety standards to aid pedestrians and visibility. Cyclists are required to wear helmets in many places etc.

    I am finding it odd that many comments talk about pedestrian freedom, yet jaywalking is illegal in many places but not in Ireland, where people can use their personal judgement and the cars are held responsible.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Use of lights and reflective or hi vis clothing is sensible and already common.

    Thanks for sharing, would you say accidents happen enough to make this mandatory?

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Like seatbelts, of it saves lives and is harmless, then why not. If no lives are saved, nobody is worse off. If one life is saved, it's worth it. Like seatbelts laws, the idea is a change in thinking not to fine people for non compliance.

    I doubt it will become mandatory. It seems more like a thought bubble. Ireland used to have very high road death figures but has worked hard to change that.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Wouldn't reevaluating the road system to meet pedestrian needs better be a far saner response than trying to mandate everyone wear special clothing? Maybe convert a few of those roads from vehicle to pedestrian only and explore options to provide better lighting on both.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I think you are misunderstanding the roads. The roads in towns and cities have footpath and lighting. These are rural roads with minimal car or foot traffic.

    Conversion would be both cost prohibitive and wasteful. Not to mention that many of these roads are narrow and to wide sufficiently would mean encroaching on people's houses or farms.

    Ireland already has one of the lowest level of road deaths per 100, 000 people globally. This is not a case where the road system needs evaluation but a low cost method to reduce road deaths further.

    I think you're looking at it from a USA overzealous cop perspective. It's like seat belt laws. Nobody ever gets a fine (ticket). It's setting an expectation to force through mentality change.

    Ireland has aggressive road safety advertising that puts the blame and onus on the driver. There is a culture of driving safe being the responsible thing to do and not tolerating speeding or drink driving. (There are enforced fines for those). It's socially unacceptable to drive after drinking. It does still happen but at low levels. Whereas other countries, it's illegal but common.

    Here is a sample of a recent ad.

    This Irish Road Safety Ad Is So Horrifying, It's Banned On TV Before 9PM : r/fuckcars https://share.google/MpYA2UolsWhyuWkD0

    Where you live, do people already wear reflective gear to go walking? In Ireland they do already.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    I think the why not is anyone leaving their house without the required vest could be ticketed. Even walking to a car. I know my wife would not be keen on having to wear a reflective vest over a fancy dress and I certainly would not want to wear one over a plain white tee or no shirt at all on hot days hiking somewhere.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Seems like subsidizing free hi vis jackets is the way to go then, and let people decide.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    What about kids? Should we let the parent decide or,.if it's a blatantly obvious way to protect them, should we prosecute parent that don't suitably dress their kids for the risk? Or require it. Personally, o don't have a problem with making it a requirement. Knowing the Irish gardaî, of expect light enforcement.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Sounds like the speed limit should be 20km/h then.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    12mph?! Never traveled rural areas? It would take me over 2 hours to get to my camp in the boonies and 26 hours to pick up my kids.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (7 children)

    Wanna go faster? Get your politicians to build you safer roads. Pedestrian lives are not expendable.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Safer roads would mean a lot of environment destruction in such case (and very high cost, for the low traffic there). I would rather wear some hi-vis and keep narrow rural roads rural and narrow.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I don't think you've ever been to a rural area, have you?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Ooooo urban people and their weird "don't kill pedestrians" ideas.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yeah, I'm guessing you've never been anywhere properly rural. The distances involved are huge, and there are almost no pedestrians, as going anywhere but the neighbour's place would mean walking for hours.

    Putting in footpaths on every road would be an absurd amount of money.

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    [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I call for mandatory pool noodles taped to every car.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Unironically, it's weird that crash safety standards don't include pedestrians.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Well if we're going to unnecessarily inconvenience a group of people, I think a national 5mph limit would have a better effect

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  • Pedestrians call for mandatory glasses for all driving members of parliament.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    He is not wrong. Makes it way easier to hit pedestrians.

    Tap for spoiler/s

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Get off the pavement, ya waxy cunt.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    “Jay walker” propaganda all over again.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Very common in Ireland. The main contribution of the RSA (Road Safety Authority) over the past few years seems to be handing out high-vis elements to pedestrians and cyclists. The media is antropomorphising cars instead of blaming drivers, to the extent that statistics on the causes of crashes aren't being collected.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I mean, making sure drivers can see you seems like a very sensible thing to do. I've come across pedestrians on unlit roads, and any sort of high visibility clothing or a light makes them visible from multiple times the distance.

    There's a reason cyclists are required to have lights outside of daylight hours where I live.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I'm currently vacationing in a country where pedestrians are required to wear reflexive elements when it's dark, and I really like that. However, putying all onus on pedestrians while not even analyzing the causes of crashes (including hit pedestrians and cyclists), which would lead to improved road infrastructure, signage and enforcement, will lead to more deaths. As long as you're allowed to drive 80 km/h on a winding road where two cars can't even pass each other, no amount of lights or reflective vests will save the pedestrians.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Next up: controlling who you love

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    So now our deference to cars is such that we all have to carry an extra garment just to walk the streets? That seems fine. /s

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    To be fair, here's only saying that because the tin Man and the lion don't have the heart or the courage to tell him he's missing something.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    All cars should be preceded at a distance of no less than three and no more than six metres by a walking man waving a red flag.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Hi-viz doesn't do anything. There's no statistical difference in casualty rates between people wearing it and people not. Consider that drivers routinely plow into the back of emergency vehicles stopped by the side of the highway, completely wrapped in hi-viz, reflective material, and with million-lumen flashing lights. This is victim-blaming nonsense.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'd love to see a source for that claim, because I do drive in rural areas with no street lighting, and high vi's makes a person visible from multiple times the distance.

    Also, people driving on the back roads tend to be paying a bit more attention.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I recommend it. I can't tell you how many times I've had to slam on the breaks because some jackass decided to cross on the middle of a dark street in dark clothes.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    How DARE people move around the landscape in the traditional way that humans have been locomoting for tens of thousands of years without considering YOUR needs!

    (That is, if you can't see what's in front of your car, you need to slow down.)

    e: typo

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    It's inexcusable in an urbanized area, there are crosswalks for a reason. We all have to share this wasteland, Andy while yeah it needs improvements, you're just making it worse by not at least trying to play nice with others.

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    [–] 24 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That's like saying bulletproof vests should be mandatory when you're having a walk in the woods, because it would protect you in case a hunter shoots at you by mistake.
    You're the one driving the 2 tons of lethal steel, it's on you to make sure you do so safely.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago

    And the next measure is to tell women to wear chastity belts to stop rapes. /s

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    Tell me "I know nothing about normal live" without telling "I know nothing about normal live"

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Ah, yes, blaming the victim(s).

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That website is propaganda group that both fuels and funds far-right movements. They are not journalists, but an influencing machine. The better subs have banned their links.

    If you want to read about our asshat politician and this story in particular, it's covered here: https://irishcycle.com/2025/07/05/td-asks-about-making-high-vis-compulsory-for-all-pedestrians-cyclists-and-users-of-school-transport/

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  • Stupid ass idea,

    However, still terrified about that time I was driving at night, though a road in the country, no streetlights, and someone wearing nothing but black crossed the road, I only saw them when it was way too close to react, didn't hit them. But please

    Don't cross like a fucking idiot with zero survival instincts.

    Not sure if relevant, this post just reminded me of that

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