The petition addressed that MasterCard and Visa must stop censoring legal fictional content that complies with the law and platform standards.

Archived version: https://archive.is/20250725225542/https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/mastercard-visa-under-fire-petition-payment-giants-not-police-legal-content-blows-1739406

Petition: https://www.change.org/p/tell-mastercard-visa-activist-groups-stop-controlling-what-we-can-watch-read-or-play


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[–] 138 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Financial networks either need "network neutrality" rules or maybe that monopoly needs to get broken up

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Either you're a bank under strict regulations when you're handling that kind of money, or you have no business processing that kind of money. PayPal & co dodges most regulations due to technically not being a bank, but at that size they shouldn't be able to abuse loopholes.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Well my adult game content provider uses paypal and they have not been affected by this bullshit.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Is that because of using PayPal, or because they're small enough to have slid under the radar of these busybodies?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    They aren't small, they make a shit ton of adult games. I original found their games on Steam. But found you can buy uncensored version straight from the dev. With Steam you had to get a patch.

    That's what makes no sense the adult games on Sream were censored, so there was no prom to begin with. Unless you downloaded a separate patch. And you had to know how to do that.

    I hope its PayPal, because if this happens to them fhey are practically out of business. Because all they make is Japanese anime porn games.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Wait, you're talking about a single developer? That's almost certainly going to be tiny. They might be relatively big for a NSFW game dev company, but that's still miniscule compared to what we're talking about here: Steam and Itch.

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    Nothing but I bought an adult game called Treasure Hunter Claire. They have tons more. I hsd an idea to do lets play videos but on Pornhub. But then Oklahoma came along with that law and now Pornhub is blockef here. I.do have a vpn. But I was not wanting to use that to do this with.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    No joke. Payment processors absolutely need to be treated as a utility. Stuff like this is exactly why it's such a big deal to reinstate/protect net-neutrality as well. What we're watching right now with payment processors isn't even end-game yet for what they potentially could do, and it already sucks. I can't even imagine once ISP start doing the same thing. Monopolies are the death of consumer rights. The unabated power, corruption, and corporately bought and controlled laws/ governing bodies makes the entire prospect even worse.

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  • [–] 42 points 1 year ago

    Remember when Visa and Mastercard made a big deal defending the right to buy guns on their platform? https://finance.yahoo.com/news/visa-won-t-block-gun-180848343.html

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  • [–] 53 points 1 year ago* (11 children)

    Does a change.org petition with 100k signatures really count as "under fire"? Fuck them, but I doubt this will do anything sadly

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    Psychologically speaking there are now upwards of 100k people who all agree on this issue and at least some of them could potentially be mobilized in additional ways now that they know they're far from alone on how they feel.

    Goodness knows that if I were told there were something I could do as part of this cohort that individually might be ineffectual but would be a death by several dozen thousand cuts for the scumbags pulling this horseshit... I'd act on it.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    100,000 people who are still essentially required to use their services for most commerce and will continue to do so.

    So many vendors won't take Amex or Discover due to their higher processing fees you can't really even boycott them effectively.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    The members of Collective Shout are in exactly the same position. So why did the payment processors listen to them?

    The fact that this whole issue even occurred is proof that public pressure, when applied smartly, does in fact work.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    yes, can't boycott. MAYBE can do other things. Hell, if I heard that people were doing something mildly illegal en masse to fuck things up for Visa and MasterCard, I might actually consider doing it myself as well. MIGHT.

    or something totally legal that isn't a boycott like showing up at their headquarters in a crowd of thousands. |

    SOME people might cross the line into illegality by molotovs or other such 'implements'.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm honestly curious: Are you one of the people who doesn't understand how the number can be represenative how the wider populace feels? Or are you one of those who are just trying to downplay the whole thing?

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    This happened in the first place because Collective Shout turned up and said "A bunch of people are pissed off about this, so something about it." They're not a government or a major corporation, they're just a group that represents people, no different than Change.org. If a petition caused this, why can't a petition stop it?

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    [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Att first i thought it was just PayPal. Not great but ok. Fair enough.

    But Visa and MasterCard blocking stuff is not ok. Their position is too big. And too crucial in the infrastructure.

    But. A bank that can get something new rolling should profit quite well, which is a good incentive to come up with alternative

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    ...the purse strings, it's always the purse strings...

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Am I the only one who thought from the headline that MC and Visa were censoring fake legal documents and not adult entertainment?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    It won't matter.bi mean nothing will change. Everyone will have to keep using their services and most people just don't know or care. Until a new company that does the same job but without the bullshit (preferably a co-op) flights its way into the industry to break their monopoly, morning will change.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Cryptocurrencies were made to avoid shit like this. Good luck gently ask mastercard and visa to change their policies.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Cryptocurrencies were a poorly thought out excuse to use block chain. Don't give them any more credit than that.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Your comment makes no sense. Bitcoin was definitely made to be a decentralized alternative and the blockchain was part of that.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Nah, bitcoin was made to make some people rich and succeeded at that. What you're repeating is the story they used to sell it to people like you.

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