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[–] 37 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

As an American: we aren’t your allies anymore. Please, I beg you, treat this situation seriously, and act accordingly. You will be forced to make some harrowing decisions before this settles into a steady state. And please note that trying to preserve the status quo ante (that no longer exists) is a complete waste of resources at this point. Even in the best case, you will almost certainly have to significantly change how you frame your interactions with us.

I don’t say this gleefully. It breaks my heart in so many different ways to have to say this, much less so often, and to so many people. But it’s what’s happening, and ignoring the situation is actively harmful, and will likely (well, is, and will continue to) get lots of people killed, and make a shitload of peoples lives worse all around the world.

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    [–] 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (14 children)

    People in Latin America: "First time?"

    Every time I see another fucking CPAC being held in my country I pray for america to just collapse already.

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  • [+] -11 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    wait...the way I hear from non-Americans on Lemmy y'all have it so good and we should be like you? why are you succumbing to the same shit we did if you're better?

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Because Fascism Is an American export. We are not having the CPAC here because it's homegrown. American conservatives are actively coming here and doing political interventionism. If China did that in America The military would be doing arrests. And every time Charlie Kirk puts a foot in my country i wish the bastard was arrested and sent to jail along with the traitors siding with these clowns.

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  • [+] -11 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    but if you're so much better than America why are:

    1. your citizens falling for the propaganda
    2. your politicians succumbing to corruption

    your cognitive dissonance is showing. also, fascism isn't an American export. it's a Russian export.

    show us Americans how to protest and stop a fascist takeover! don't be weak like us Americans.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    Lets dismantle this part by part:

    1: The one who came up with these idea that America needs to model itself after other countries is you. I don't care about America. I want America to stop pressuring other governments to model themselves after them. I want American foreign policy to stop intervening with other countries and in particular the country where I live.

    2: It is rich that you are saying with a straight face that our citizens are falling to propaganda when your citizens have voted for two terms for a huckster, sex offender mentally challenged, child molester.

    3: There is a latent right wing coalition in my country that is home grown, yes we had years of political tumult. We have fascists down here and everyone does! We don't have a secret to subdue them we have a fragile emerging resistance that has won a couple of elections: We just had presidential elections a few years back; and the very unpopular right wing candidate suffered a devastating loss despite all the very suspicious financial and media support they had. Which means that the population hasn't entirely "succumbed to propaganda." For our next elections, the republicans are already grooming a couple of candidates for our country. One of them is a Catholic conservative that has been spotted with Elon Musk and the rest of ghouls more than a couple of times.

    Here is one of the weasels Eduardo Verastegui doing the Nazi salute on the American Financed CPAC:

    4: My country has very little contact with Russia. The ultra right wing coalition of my country does not meet with Putin, They meet with Conservatives from the USA. Maybe you are trying to impose your own biases on me. Personally I am frustrated that my government cannot do something about this bastards coming here. At least not for now, while they have all the might of American military power and economy backing them.

    5: Lastly. I think America is hopeless. Your arguments are a good case study for why I feel you people are hopeless. Even in your failures and aggression there is a deep seated narcissism where It's our turn to "show you the way"; We don't have to show you shit. We don't owe you anything. You have allowed the plutocracy poisoning your country to fester and I believe it is a problem that runs deeper than just Trump. You will keep shifting the blame, acting all high and mighty and fail to address the fact that you don't even have a democracy anymore. And in the spirit of American exceptionalism even as those systemic issues are reaching critical mass you will continue to try and shift the blame. Nobody improves by neglecting self reflection. If Putin is pulling the strings of your right wing grifters, he has been enabled by the mounting of corruption that eliminated any legal checks and balances for your billionaire and political class. America has lost the ability to enforce it's laws on it's Oligarchy and you are surprised that an international web of criminals are eager to make connections with that dangerous emerging power?

    In the end this feels like a conversation about wounded national Ego. "Hey man don't talk about my shortcomings, you all have it much worse."

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  • [+] -13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I can't believe I fell for the worst honeypot, a .ml user.

    my mistake, carry on with your propaganda shilling.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Just another instance of the recurring American cope of "everything that disagrees with me is ruzzia"

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Who are you arguing against? Who said "We're just so much better than America"? Seems like a straw man. People say what they don't want the USA to export fascism to their country and some Americans hear "We're better than America" because some Americans react weirdly to criticism of their country.

    Fascism is a danger everywhere. The USA is spreading it everywhere. A lot of people understandably don't like this.

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  • [+] -8 points 1 year ago

    sounds like a red herring to me. I'm not arguing against a person, I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of non-Americans on lemmy that say "Americans bad! Europe is better!" Americans aren't the problem, our government is. And even if it was Americans, wouldn't the rest of the world that claims to be better than America not have problems with fascism spreading if they were as good as they claim?

    that said, the US is simply a tool being used by Putin through Trump to spread influence everywhere.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    For the good of the world Trump needs to go.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    Here are all of the Epstein Files that have either been leaked or released.

    https://joshwho.net/EpsteinList/gov.uscourts.nysd.447706.1320.0-combined.pdf (verified court documents)

    https://joshwho.net/EpsteinList/black-book-unredacted.pdf (verified pre-Bondi) Trump is on page 85, or pdf pg. 80

    Trump’s name is circled. The circled individuals are the ones involved in the trafficking ring according to the person who originally released the book. These people would be “The List “ Here is the story.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsiKUXrlcac

    Here’s the flight logs https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21165424-epstein-flight-logs-released-in-usa-vs-maxwell/

    —————————other Epstein Information

    https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/Johnson_TrumpEpstein_Calif_Lawsuit.pdf here’s a court doc of Epstein and Trump raping a 13 yr old together.

    Some people think this claim is a hoax. Here is Katies testimony on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnib-OORRRo

    Epstein’s Ex Says He Boasted About Being a Mossad Agent https://share.google/jLMGahKlCzfV1RHZq Epstein and Israel both hired lawyer Alan Dershowitz, who says he’s building ‘legal dream team’ to defend Israel in court and on internationally | The Times of Israel https://share.google/Lb9hDOduBWG4Elpid

    Epstein Docs: https://ia600705.us.archive.org/21/items/epsteindocs/

    Epstein Bribes/Payments: 1 BILLION+ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7IrEi-ybzs

    —————————other Trump information:

    Here’s trump admitting to peeping on 14-15 year old girls at around 1:40 on the Howard Stern Radio Show: https://youtu.be/iFaQL_kv_QY

    Trump’s promise to his daughter: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-ivanka-trump-dating-promise_n_57ee98cbe4b024a52d2ead02 “I have a deal with her. She’s 17 and doing great ― Ivanka. She made me promise, swear to her that I would never date a girl younger than her,” Trump said. “So as she grows older, the field is getting very limited.”

    Trump’s modeling agency was probably part of Jeffreys pipeline: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/donald-trump-model-management-illegal-immigration/

    A good summary of Trump-Epstein timeline: https://thepresidential.medium.com/we-have-been-gaslit-about-donald-trump-and-jeffrey-epstein-for-four-years-fbda67c20f75

    • ⁠Much of this info can also be found on: https://theepsteindocs.com/

    Feel free to do your part and spread this info around so it is never “lost”.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    With Friedrich Merz, the US unfortunately already has the German chancellor more or less in its pocket: The man was Head of the supervisory board of Black Rock Germany until 2020, was chairman of the "Atlantik Brücke" from 2009 to 2016, a lobby organization for economic relations between Germany and the US, held various positions in other business-related lobby organizations, and stands for almost the same kind of mindless hate speech against foreigners as MAGA.

    In short, it is fair to say that Merz is more of a US lobbyist than a politician.

    Source.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    He is certainly not the best pick, was considered very conservative 30 years ago, but I don't think he is an open pro US lobbyist. From what you hear in the news, he seems to cooperate quite well with France and the like.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    What a coincidence, that's also what Putin wants.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The day I have to bow my head in front of neo-nazis and fascists is the day they cut it off.

    Alerta, antifascista! No pasaran!

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Dude by side with Putin.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Try that again but remove thw word democratic, and also add that the USA is not alone in this effort.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Makes sense. Trump is willing to burn america to the ground in order to be king emperor of the world.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    It shouldn't bother me as much as it does that despite everything visibly getting worse in real time around us, and fascism literally being on the rise everywhere, there's still people pushing dangerously stupid propaganda like this thread claiming the earth can support billions more people and that perfect communism is possible.

    The mental gymnastics involved here require an ice pick to the brain.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago

    anti-democratic far right Nationalists

    So what are they planning to change?

    anti-EU

    Aha. Gotcha.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    yes? and? Is that news to anyone? Why?

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    [–] 50 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Hey it worked in the UK (Brexit), the US (Trump), getting close in Canada, so it makes sense.

    Turned out to be crazy simple: just use military psychological operation techniques on the facebook data for your given area, prop up some dorkish podcasters and Xitters, give it between six months and a couple of years and and bada-bing. Democracy dead.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago*

    The path for European conservatives is xenophobia and nationalism as it has been for pretty much forever. For conservatives outside of the US, anti-Trump backlash I bet being a temporary setback against them as anti-Trump backlash mixes more with nationalism and xenophobia. Russian invasion of Ukraine I feel I noticed a lot more nationalist rhetoric that borders on racism/xenophobia from even leftist Europeans and on this website. It can all quickly devolve into racism in the name of national security and independence from outside influence

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago

    The Grand Ol' Pedophiles working hard to install more pedophiles.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago

    Its become clear they want the world to be a monoculture of their ideals and people. Theres only one way to put a stop to them at this rate. They'll just keep running this until they're dead.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don't understand why we all don't just start killing them?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    As you hinted religion is a potential way to control a population into doing what you want as it is a way of controlling what is talked about (and how it is talked about) to manipulate people.

    I think what has changed is that now the owners of the media and information landscape can use new technology and psychology to control the narrative better mostly to extract a bit more profit. It is more profitable to keep people scrolling or listening to ragebait on your platform or show than to do proper investigative journalism.

    The problem is the vast majority of media sources are controlled by elites who skew their messaging to the perceived whims of their owners which happen to predominately be far right. The population is forced to follow their lead as they have no easy way of influencing public opinion at scale.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This doesn't discount the rest of your points but in Australia Dutton lost by a landslide, and also lost his own seat, so he's out of parliament entirely.

    We still have a lot of the racism and xenophobia issues fed by inequality and corporate interests, but Trump and his style is deeply unpopular here, which is partially why Dutton lost so badly.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    (...) Yes, these two did lose, but not by much

    I might be wrong on this one, but didn't Labor in Australia secure the biggest margin in recent times during last elections? Dutton lost there by A LOT.

    But yeah, can't deny that otherwise, you're making good points. Right-wing is on the rise throughout the world, with populists leading the charge, selling simple solutions for complex problems

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    And who was it that believed that there was a need for a lie to “deceive” the population into doing the decent thing? I can’t remember which of them said that.

    I was going to say it sounds like Vance when he was spreading lies about Haitians migrants eating dogs, but then I saw the decent bit of it.

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  • [–] 62 points 1 year ago (22 children)

    Hey every European who has been telling Americans to stop sitting around and do something about all this:

    Now's your chance! No more standing on the sidelines for you! Put up or shut up! Show us how it's done!

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (12 children)

    The far right is a minority in the European Parliament. Von der Leyen could be better but she's not Trump. We voted and are struggling but at least we're holding the line. How is it going for you?

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Sorry, what have you done exactly?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    As I said, they're not in power here, but you've got a pedophile fascist there. What are you doing exactly about it?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Okay so when trump wasn't in power here we should have done nothing.

    Got it.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Marine Le Pen was convicted and banned from participating in political office for mere embezzling.

    Now your turn.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    We will probably do nothing just as you, Americans, did nothing. Soon Germany will be invading Poland again or some shit.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    They voted against it and are, under quite a lot pressure, not letting the far-right take control. In Canada we elected a party for the third time in a row, which basically never happens, in order to keep our Conservatives out of power(it was way too close and the Liberals are centrists so I’m still disappointed, but we didn’t elect the obvious fascist).

    Ya’ll’re failing an open book test. Stay in your lane, buddy.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    kind of stupid of you to assume that.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    Oh look, the racist with nothing to say.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    says the asshole who says "Crickets lol".

    Edit: to give context as to why you are an ignorant fool who tends to get outraged that nobody has replied to you yet, Europe is light years ahead of the U.S in government and policy.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    What do you think I meant by that? Lmfao

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    you are trying to sound smart but coming off as incredibly arrogant and dismissive. It would help you if you talk normally to strangers online like you would in real life

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Everything you are saying is untrue. So this attempt to make me feel bad, has failed. The only thing It has accomplished was to bolster my opinion of you.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    everything you are saying is untrue.

    I didn't say anything except point out Europe is far ahead of the US in policy and governance. You never said anything except "Crickets, Lol" hence i asked for elaboration.

    Everything else in your comment is just "lol, lmao" or writing comments acting outraged or reacting sarcastically to others.

    and calling me racist from our interaction in the past is just immature.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    Does anyone know what we can do beyond just voting to stop this happening in the EU ?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I'm tired of all the other superpowers in the world trying to meddle in the EU. Can we start meddling in their business in return?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    ...anyone who fucks kids, please apply...

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago

    Can we just stop calling it the “far right?” By now, unless they’re actually wearing hoods or dressing in 1940s Hugo Boss, they’re just “the right.” That’s where we are.

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