As cannabis use among youth rises in Canada — and THC potency reaches record highs — emergency departments are seeing a surge in cases of a once-rare condition: cannabis hyperemesis syndrome (CHS).

Characterized by relentless vomiting, abdominal pain and temporary relief through compulsive hot showers or baths, CHS is increasingly affecting adolescents and young adults. Yet few people — including many clinicians — know it exists.

Canada ranks among the highest globally for youth cannabis use, with 43 per cent of 16-19-year-olds reporting use in the past year. Usage peaks among those 20–24 years, with nearly half (48 per cent) reporting past-year use.

This rise in regular, heavy use coincides with a 400 per cent increase in THC potency since the 1980s. Strains with THC levels above 25 per cent are now common. As cannabis becomes more potent and accessible, clinicians are seeing more cases of CHS, a condition virtually unheard of before 2004.

CHS unfolds in three phases:

  1. Prodromal phase: Nausea and early morning discomfort begin. Users increase cannabis consumption, thinking it will relieve symptoms.

  2. Hyperemetic phase: Intense vomiting, dehydration and abdominal pain follow. Hot showers or baths provide temporary relief — a hallmark of CHS.

  3. Recovery phase: Symptoms resolve after stopping cannabis entirely.

Diagnosis is often delayed. One reason is because CHS mimics conditions like gastroenteritis or eating disorders, leading to costly CT scans, MRIs and gastric emptying tests. One telltale sign — compulsive hot bathing — is frequently overlooked, despite its strong diagnostic value.

Youth face unique risks. The brain continues to develop until about age 25, and THC exposure during this critical window can impair cognitive functions like memory, learning and emotional regulation. Heavy cannabis use is associated with heightened risks of anxiety, depression, psychosis and self-harm.

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[–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

I knew cannabis causes relentless vomiting when you overdose on it, but it can cause nausea even when you're not high?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    My personal, unscientific read on the CHE situation is that it's mote likely a collection of common responses to anxiety/panic caused by being too high. I have no first hand experience though. But I can tell you that tye advent of things such as the Astropink Alien Brain, coming in at 500mg of thc in a single gummy, supports that we're in unprecedented times potency and ease of use wise. That's roughly equivalent to the THC of an entire eighth of flower in one go. I can easily see people biting off more than they can chew, so to speak.

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    I wonder if this number would change if the drug was regulated??

    Nahh... Probably not... [as I take a swig from my 90% alcoholic drink].

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    [–] 35 points 1 year ago

    I like how "used it in the past year" in one paragraph mysteriously becomes "regular, heavy use" in the next.

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    Gonna be really close to zero.

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    I think alcohol abuse destroys lives, but so does Marijuana abuse. One isn't better than the other.

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    As abuse. Like if somebody tokes on the weekend or has a single beer neither is a problem.

    As I mentioned prior I know people that have abused it to point of psychosis hospitalization, and completely destroying their job/education. You just have to define the amounts for abuse, and those will be different per drug.

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    Have you had psychosis from a beer every day? Notice I'm not saying they are the same, but all drugs can do damage if overused. Heroine has no side affects after it wears off, but will end you with slightly too much. If I over drink caffeine my blood pressure skyrockets and I'm a candidate for something bursting and dying of an internal bleed. For me coffee is dangerous.

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    Some bold claims. The life style around heroine addiction has negative affects, but per experts it is a connector that is done when it pops off. Out of the entire world drinking responsibly how many organ transplants are there? Its those who overuse that are an issue. The drunk driver is no different than my high neighbour that smashed through a gate, that gate could have easily been a person. I don't claim marijuana is horrible but the best argument people who use marijuana come up with is " well it's not alcohol, alcohol is worse". That whataboutism is dangerous when people think that equates to over indulgence is without risk.

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    A lot of assumption/projection there dude. I am by no means upset.

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    So you thought you'd double down. Interesting. You provided so much reading material, yet it was more important at the time to address the personal attack strawman you were building. This is not a debate tactic, it is a hostile troll tactic. If you can't debate like an intelligent person so you resort to insults and allegations then it is not worth my time. Life it too short to deal with negative trolls.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm a daily user for years and I've never heard of this. I wonder if it has to do with the way they're consuming it. Shady vapes from the internet could be causing trouble, not the thc itself.

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    I'm a long time daily user as well, and my suspicion would be the ever increasing potency. I have a quite high tolerance, yet a high THC strain (iirc advertised were 26-27%) i bought some months ago seriously fucked me up.

    Loss of motor control, balance, intense nausea and sweating, I had to literally sit on the toilet and lean my head and upper body against the wall for 45 minutes, because that was somehow the only bearable position with the option to puke if needed. Topped off with a racing mind going to unhappy places.

    I then sort of cut the stuff with "normal" ~20% weed to tone it down and make it tolerable. I can definitely see these potent strains having unexpected and perhaps so far undocumented effects on the body. A little like beer versus liquor.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    When I had a gallstone induced pancreatitis they tried to tell me this is what I had. Luckly they still ran some blood work and got me scheduled for emergency surgery.

    It was pretty annoying having the doctor trying to blame my severe pain on cannabis use though :/

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    Do this report have actual numbers of youth "landing in the ER with vomiting from cannabis use", or is this just percentages, none which seem directly related?

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    This is just the symptom of a much bigger underlying issue. We can talk about regulation all we want or even banning it, but it won't solve the big problem of what young adults have to face today in society at large. They are ill prepared for the real world, bombarded by social media influences 24/7, this is just another coping mechanism they've turned to.

    Excessive use of alcohol, vapes, sugar etc. are all just as bad. But hey, the stats are saying 16-19 year olds at 43 percent - last I checked the legal age to purchase cannabis was 19 in Canada. So, anything under that would be considered illegal and I'd solely place the blame on the parents - just like any other substance abuse. Alas, that still doesn't solve the mental pressures that these young adults will need to face (housing, employment opportunities, global factors - climate change etc.). We can educate all that we can, but it won't change the reality. The reality is that it takes real political will and a strong mandate from voters (we all know our federal government is like a bunch of companies in a trench coat and that needs to change) to actually FIX the money side of problems. I am not surprised that the 20-24 year old's use cannabis (48% claimed by the article) - record inflation anyone? high groceries? lack of good livable wage employment? housing?

    Here's my hot take, cannabis gets more bad rep than alcohol when alcohol, IMO, is worse.

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    Heavy cannabis use is associated with heightened risks of anxiety, depression, psychosis and self-harm.

    So is antidepressant use.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    That's correlation though. The reason you get prescribed antidepressants is a bias pick for already being a risk to self.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    Any comparison to alcohol?

    Cause I'm hearing that youth are suffering from nausea, which sounds a lot better than dying of alcohol poisoning.

    Maybe if the world wasn't burning these youth's future in plain sight they'd be less stressed and depressed?

    Substance abuse is a symptom of, not a cause of, mental health problems.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    The interesting part is that CHS shares the bathing thing with the Cyclic Vomitting Syndrome. There's something similar that must be causing both

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    I don't buy this "increased potency" argument as it sounds like the same anti-weed shit they've been saying since the 90s. We had concentrates and hash and vaporizers in the 2000s. Potency of the flower doesn't matter much when you can rip volcano vapes from dawn till dusk. All these "CHS" stories also always mention the dumb "hurr Cannabis psychosis" shit which is the other Hallmark of old anti weed propaganda that makes me skeptical.

    Idk, it kind of feels like hysteria or some related comorbidity with munchies. I've definitely known people who make themselves sick over and over again from eating too many Doritos

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    It's real, a person I know went through it. They basically just smoked a bong all day, every day. Creates a paralysis like effect on your intestines, so stuff doesn't go down has to come out

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    Why is everyone so combative as if this has not been well known for decades?

    Cannabis is a drug just like every other. It's not safe unregulated. This is evidence that we should regulate and provide safe guidelines on usage.

    But I know so many people that spread that you can't eat or smoke to much cannabis. That level of ignorance is no better.

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    I wouldn't say "combative". Critical, maybe.

    It is a syndrome they're describing, with rather vague symptoms and a very large userbase.

    I'm not one to deny the risks of anything, but since cannabis has been subjected to biased research and journalism for 100 years, it's not really surprising some people are somewhat critical of something this vague.

    Like what's your suggestion on "regulation"? Because I think an appropriate age limit is fine, just like with alcohol. Actual proper legalisation would allow people to actually know how much theyre consuming. Now it's just random strength weed for random amount of inhale. If you knew x mg per puff or edible, like you can do in some places, but not most of the world, then it becomes easier knowing how much you're actually consuming. So yeah, better regulation. Which requires legalisation.

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    It's genuinely more or less just more "reefer madness".

    If you actually read my comment and the study carefully, you might notice that.

    For example:

    Because there is no diagnostic code for CHS, we followed the previous literature identifying CHS ED visits as those in which vomiting (International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems, Tenth Revision, Canada [ICD-10-CA] code R11) was the primary diagnosis and a cannabis harm (ICD-10-CA code F12 or T40.7) was an additional diagnosis.19,20 Since CHS is not widely recognized, we developed a secondary outcome measure termed sensitive CHS ED visits, which includes the primary outcome definition and an ED visit with a primary diagnosis of vomiting (ICD-10-CA code R11) plus an ED visit owing to a cannabis harm in the 6 months preceding or following the incident vomiting visit.

    So, anyone who's been labeled to have any sort of harm from cannabis, which a lot of people take to just be use of cannabis. I can show you a recording of a psychiatrist supposedly specialising in drugs and addiction, who told me "there is no safe amount of cannabis you can use".

    And then, when any of those roughly just users, report with vomiting to an ER even 6 months after someone has written down something about cannabis use, it get counted as "cannabis hyperemesis syndrome".

    So because legalisation has made doctors more aware they're questioning youth more about cannabis use. And since it's legal, the youths aren't lying as much as they used to. But they still have the same amount of alcohol overdoses (ie getting so drunk you start vomiting) and if you then visit the ER even just for being too drunk or having a fever with vomiting, you'll be counted as a "ER CHS patient".

    So you know. You really do need to go and read the things they claim, all the way down to the source. For one most of the things they source in those studies are studies which aren't exclusively Canadian, making your "well the study is Canadian" argument a bit frail, since the study references other non-Canadian studies.

    I'm not against regulation, and I think a boozecard model would be fantastic. For things that actually require it. We had the same in Finland, up until the 70's, really.

    It was from '44-' 70 yeah.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bratt_System

    But see that was for booze, not beer. Since growing your own is also legal and east af, trying to control the amount of cannabis wouldn't work in practice, and as someone who's known daily users for years, I don't think there is any inherent factor in cannabis which would cause this syndrome ("syndrome" = a collection of symptoms, not a disease in itself). It's more bad reporting and bad understanding of the subject.

    For one when you're totally drunk, never smoked weed, you take a large hit of something strong, you can easily start to feel spinning such that you literally vomit like there's no tomorrow. To the point people who haven't seen it will genuinely consider taking them to the ER. And during something like that, it does help to be in a hot shower.

    However as the drunkenness wears off, the person becomes even more nauseous, as they're still plenty high without being used to it, and the hangover is creeping in.

    But never have I ever seen anyone vomit from cannabis who hasn't been drinking. I'm not saying they don't exist or that this syndrome isn't real. I'm just saying I don't see a well-explained causal relationship. I just see a bunch of poor correlation, as always.

    Anyways, yeah, register and limit. For actual drugs. That's why booze was on the card but beer wasn't. You can make that at home and it's not strong enough to mess you up line vodka will do.

    Just the same, cannabis should be legal and ecstasy and others legalised with the Bratt system. People don't cook mdma at home if there's some available to purchase legally.

    Government is leaving out billions in drug money because there's a huge market for illegal drugs just going completely unregulated and untaxed.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I've read a little about it once in a while. Apparently one of the ways to treat this is to administer haloperidol, an antipsychotic, to relieve the symptoms. It's not a very long lasting condition either, especially if the user can recognize that weed's causing it and just stops for a little while.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I am an old fellow who has been using cannabis almost daily since 1966. I have never heard of these symptoms. I hang out with many other old people with similar profiles. I have asked around nobody has heard of these symptoms. This article reads like bad AI.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I smoked dope and hash like a fiend when I was a kid, I never experienced or even heard of this.

    Though I did get the munchies.

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    Cannabis, totally safe, they said. Nobody ever gets hurt, they said. It's not habit-forming, they said. 🫤

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    Safe in the sense that it won't kill you outright like fentanyl.

    But it's not safe.

    It doesn't have to be as bad as other drugs to be a cause for concern.

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    I'm assuming then, that you aren't aware of the decades of research on cannabis, especially when smoked, showing harm in other areas of human health?

    Have a read.

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    Oh, come on now. You are arguing in bath faith if you couldn't find one thing that "proves you wrong".

    Here are just a few from that link, and each topic is explored in depth if you click through the supporting links on that page:

    "Hospitalizations for psychotic disorder related to cannabis use accounted for one-third of mental or behavioural disorders between 2006–2015, increasing more than 25 per cent during this time."

    "Cannabis smoke contains chemicals (toxins, carcinogens and irritants) that are known to negatively affect lung health."

    "Smoking cannabis may suppress the immune system, which can make you more prone to infection from viruses."

    "Regular cannabis use can increase the risk of developing psychosis and schizophrenia..."

    "Cannabis impairs the cognitive and motor abilities necessary to operate a motor vehicle and doubles the risk of being involved in a collision."

    "Cannabis, when inhaled, can potentially trigger stroke, heart attack or inflammation of arteries, especially in those who use cannabis heavily."

    "Regular use of these products [edibles] has been associated with problematic cannabis use, cannabis use disorder and mental health disorders."

    "Based on existing research and because of the associated risks of harms, cannabis use should only be considered for people who do not respond to first- and second-line treatments."

    "Most of the cases of emerging lung and respiratory disorders have been linked to vaping products containing THC from cannabis extracts."

    "Regular cannabis use is associated with changes in brain structure and function, including changes to the brain’s natural reward pathways."

    "Regular cannabis use is generally associated with more harmful rather than beneficial effects among people with mental health conditions."

    "Frequent cannabis use during pregnancy is associated with ... Altered neurodevelopment and cognition, and academic under-achievement; and behavioural disturbances among children and young adults, including attention deficits, increased hyperactivity and impulsivity, and increased likelihood of delinquency and substance use."

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    No proof whatsoever

    You didn't read any of it.

    Smoking anything is bad for lung health, does nothing to change the fact that marijuana is the safest recreational substance in existence, especially when ingested in any other way.

    The safest in a group of harmful things doesn't make it safe!

    “May supress the immune sustem” no evidence provided lol, unsubstantiated speculation, embarassingly weak

    Here's what the research says:

    "The review of published research shows that cannabis use may impair immune function in many instances and thereby exerts an impact on viral infections including human immune deficiency virus (HIV), hepatitis C infection (HCV), and human T-cell lymphotropic type I and II virus (HTLV-I/II)." Maggirwar SB, Khalsa JH. The Link between Cannabis Use, Immune System, and Viral Infections. Viruses. 2021;13(6):1099. Published 2021 Jun 9. doi:10.3390/v13061099

    “Can increase risk of developing schizophrenia” also well documented that it has no chance whatsoever of causing schizophrenia in individuals that aren’t already hereditarily prone to developing it, at most it can accelerate onset

    Again, more studies to help you:

    "This adds to the substantial evidence base that has previously identified cannabis use to associate with increased risk of schizophrenia, by suggesting that the relationship is causal. Such robust evidence may inform public health messages about cannabis use, especially regarding its potential mental health consequences." Vaucher J, Keating BJ, Lasserre AM, et al. Cannabis use and risk of schizophrenia: a Mendelian randomization study. Mol Psychiatry. 2018;23(5):1287-1292. doi:10.1038/mp.2016.252

    "To date, the research on the impact of its use has largely been epidemiological in nature and has consistently found that cannabis use is associated with schizophrenia outcomes later in life, even after controlling for several confounding factors." Casadio P, Fernandes C, Murray RM, Di Forti M. Cannabis use in young people: the risk for schizophrenia. Neurosci Biobehav Rev. 2011;35(8):1779-1787. doi:10.1016/j.neubiorev.2011.04.007

    There are dozens more, if you need them.

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    I truly appreciate the time you took to read the studies. I respect that, however, the personal attacks are unwarranted, and you're more than welcome to debate the experts who've compiled the data, if you like.

    Let's take things one at a time, but it should also be noted that much of the research cited are medicinal users of cannabis (including those prescribed by doctors), not recreational, which is what the actual OP is about. You avoided touching on any of those from the long list by the Canadian Centre on Substance Use and Addiction.

    Your first study, linked directly because it’s actually really easy to do https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8229290/

    From the conclusion: “…data are not sufficiently strong to suggest that cannabis use adversely affects the progression of viral diseases…it is also evident that cannabis or its constituents, including THC and CBD, have some beneficial effects such as improving appetite and food intake in patients with HIV/AIDS and positive effects in patients with hepatic steatosis”

    You conveniently left out the parts before that:

    "Research suggests a link between cannabis, immune function, and viral infections. Cannabis use may be associated with adverse effects on immune function and, thereby, increase the risk of acquiring or transmitting infections such as HIV and HCV. "

    The part you bring up has to do with viral progression, which is different. And the fact that more research is needed in this area (per the study), doesn't clear cannabis from harm.

    The benefits of increased appetite in someone who is dying is great! Too bad, that has no relevance to the general population, so the risks outweigh the benefits.

    Your second study https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7442038/

    Again, direct quotes: “We have evidence suggesting that cannabis use, primarily THC in cannabis, in genetically predisposed or at-risk populations, leads to earlier diagnosis of psychosis/schizophrenia.”

    That doesn't appear to be the study I linked, but we agree, increased risks.

    But why did you skip the most important parts of the conclusion?

    "Neuroimaging studies show the detrimental effect of cannabis on brain morphology, especially adolescent brains. "

    "...there is still more harm from cannabis than benefits, and adolescent cannabis usage should be discouraged at all costs."

    That's pretty damning for something considered safe, wouldn't you agree?

    “Recent trials in therapeutic CBD use are showing its alleviating effect on positive symptoms of schizophrenia and its opposing effect on THC, which warrants further research.”

    So not only is there no evidence of any risk of psychosis or schizophrenia for anyone who isn’t already genetically predisposed, but there’s actually evidence that specific cannabinoids in isolation can alleviate symptoms! Wow, another source betrays you

    Trials... therapeutic CBD... that sounds considerably different from recreational use outside of a medical setting, no? Like the type of use they would like to see discouraged "at all costs".

    Anyway, the study I linked is: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5984096/

    "In summary, a genetic approach—representing an alternative to assessing causality when a randomized controlled trial would be unethical—strongly supports the hypothesis that use of cannabis is causally related to risk of schizophrenia."

    Your third study https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S014976341100073X

    And more direct quotes that clearly illustrate how stupid you are: “…cannabis use is clearly not an essential or sufficient risk factor as not all schizophrenic patients have used cannabis and the majority of cannabis users do not develop schizophrenia.”

    This was my oversight, and I apologize for that.

    That review paper was quite outdated, and the same author has a much more recent study available: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7646282/

    "In conclusion, our findings confirm previous evidence of the harmful effect on mental health of daily use of cannabis, especially of high-potency types. Importantly, they indicate for the first time how cannabis use affects the incidence of psychotic disorder. Therefore, it is of public health importance to acknowledge alongside the potential medicinal properties of some cannabis constituents the potential adverse effects that are associated with daily cannabis use, especially of high-potency varieties."

    I hope that covers it. There seems to be more than enough evidence to suggest that cannabis is not safe, even for being the "safest recreational drug".

    Edit: grammar/spelling.

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    I'm sorry that your mental health is in such a bad state.

    I read in your other comment that you've been a daily cannabis user for decades, and now I can understand your aggressive defense of the drug, and your unhinged behaviour.

    I wish you said that sooner. Your agenda is to defend your addiction, so there was never an honest discussion here.

    It was fun. Get some help.

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    you're just upset that you got caught deliberately misrepresenting the contents of those studies

    I'm not upset about anything. The studies speak for themselves.

    and now you're looking to do the same thing about me personally because you don't have to a leg to stand on and you know it.

    No, that extra bit of information gives me context for understanding where you're coming from.

    You were never going to be receptive of the facts, because they'd contradict the story you've been telling yourself about the "safest" harmful recreational drug.

    I just never realized that was your motivation until just now.

    Nobody ever calls daily coffee drinkers addicts

    Who's arguing about coffee, anyway?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (23 children)

    Not really what serious advocates ever said. Maybe what random people on the Internet sometimes said?

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    Before legalization, pretty much every cannabis magazine and website was being cited as saying it was totally safe. Even mocked people for thinking otherwise.

    That changed public opinion, and experts were ignored. These risks were known many years ago, so why has the industry been allowed to keep selling stronger strains, marketing to young people, and making these drugs available everywhere?

    Now that the consequences are being seen, what are we going to do about it? This shit is being sold at every street corner, sometimes multiple cannabis shops at the same intersection. It's nuts.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Education! Real, honest education to school age kids. Prohibition just creates a more dangerous black market, and lying (by hyperbole) about drug effects makes kids not believe the warnings which is just as bad (see: US’s failed D.A.R.E. Program in the 90s where they said marijuana is as bad as heroin)

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    Prohibition

    I don't think prohibition is the way to go. But we (society) should treat these drugs like we treat cigarettes: keep them out of view (i.e. "behind the counter") and stop allowing them to be marketed at every street corner.

    I view it from the perspective of someone who might never want to get into drugs, or may have recently become sober: they see cannabis shops at every turn, they are being primed to fail, and that's not right.

    We were able to get sensible people to stop smoking once we stopped allowing cigarettes to be displayed and marketed everywhere. I feel we need to do the same for cannabis (and alcohol) because of the harm we are causing to the most vulnerable in our society (youth and the poor).

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    Ah ok, "they" meant cannabis magazines.

    experts were ignored

    The experts were on the side of legalization, so they weren't really ignored. If by experts you mean people who study public health policy and narcotrafficking.

    Now that the consequences are being seen, what are we going to do about it?

    What are these experts saying nowadays? What I see is a consensus that legalization was a pretty good move. There's probably more we should do, but it's stuff that builds on top of legalization.

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  • [+] -8 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Ah ok, “they” meant cannabis magazines.

    Before legalization, there really weren't many other places promoting cannabis (maybe there was, but marketing back then was very different from now), so the promotion of their safety came from those sources (unfortunately).

    Worse yet, as the plans to legalize were getting closer, I remember a massive push on social media by people promoting cannabis as a cure-all for just about anything: mental health, cancer, anxiety, bowel problems, etc. They used the Trojan horse of “medicinal use” to bring it into everyone's life.

    I'm sure there was industry influence, because it was extremely rare to see people pointing out the harms of cannabis back then.

    The experts were on the side of legalization, so they weren’t really ignored. If by experts you mean people who study public health policy and narcotrafficking.

    Decriminalization is one thing, and experts were certainly in support of decriminalization.

    But legalization, as in "allow stores to sell these everywhere and to everyone", just like alcohol and cigarettes, became a fucking disaster, and now we are seeing the result of what the experts warned us about.

    What are these experts saying nowadays? What I see is a consensus that it has a pretty good move.

    Again, they still agree that decriminalization was the right move. But experts, doctors, law enforcement, educators... all see what a disaster this has become.

    We knew that normalizing cannabis and selling it everywhere would lead to more DUI, more hospitalizations, more poisoning of small children, lower academic performance in teens... just wait until the wave of long-term harm begins to surface. How will our healthcare system even handle that burden? Experts have warned us for decades, and still do.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Looks like we have different groups of experts in our respective informational sources

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  • [+] -7 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    The "experts" looked a lot different on 2016 Social Media... and that's what drove much of the public support.

    The real experts would have never wanted cannabis to be sold and promoted the way it has been.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (9 children)

    Only marketing I’ve seen is anti-drug ads

    And per the above article, drinking until you puke seems to be worse

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Only marketing I’ve seen is anti-drug ads

    Recently, or around the time of legalization? Even pulling up Google Maps will highlight the cannabis shops, which is an insidious way to promote them.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Both? But I only use maps to find addresses I know

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    You're lucky, I guess. Even just driving/riding around, I see cannabis shop signs everywhere. And I don't want to see them, so I can only imagine how they stick out to an addict or vulnerable person.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    It need to all go.

    Sounds like we agree.

    I also don't want to see maple magats, huge diesel trucks idling with no one in them, indigenous people being arrested,killed and harassed for existing, churches...I hate fucking churches...every single one needs to go.

    Not sure what any of that has to do with drugs harming kids, but OK.

    Google maps also has all those places. They're promoting hatred and alcoholism.

    They are. We agree on that, too.

    You sound like a child.

    OK. We seem to be agreeing on the same things, so... I guess you sound like a child, too? 🤔

    I have concerns about drugs influencing our most vulnerable, and the external pressures that make it difficult for them to avoid it.

    As an alcoholic, one would think you'd agree that it's a problem.

    Not sure what your personal beef with me is, though. 🤷‍♂️

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    To think that you could eliminate or hide everything that offends someone from life completely is also a childish outlook.

    "Everything". I never suggested such.

    Look, we were able to drop cigarette use by using simple strategies like not having them displayed "in your face" at shops, and cutting advertising.

    If we can't do the same for other drugs, then it's due to a lack of trying.

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    We dropped cigarette use with a massive anti smoking campaign that lasted decades. Not by hiding it behind the counter.

    We used many approaches, which should be applied to the currently promoted drugs you see being sold in stores.

    How come I can’t extend your outrage to churches? Seems a reasonable expectation since we’re hiding things that destroy lives.

    Churches... the building? Or religion? I'd love to organized religion die, but church buildings should stand as either historical landmarks, or repurposed to house the homeless.

    Where do we start?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    One could argue it is safe in reasonable moderation. CHS devlops due to extreme and excessive daily use of cannabis. Enjoying a joint every now and then is far safer than toking every 30 minutes.

    If i ate 30 chocolate bars everyday for weeks on end, I'd have some serious health issues, but one every weekend would be nearly unnoticeable from a health perspective.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Enjoying a joint every now and then is far safer than toking every 30 minutes.

    The problem is, what Health Canada once labelled as "heavy use" is pretty much normal use these days. Daily use, or using multiple times a day, is very common.

    If people (and teens) were only consuming once in a while, I doubt we'd be in this mess.

    They consume often, partly because they've been told "it helps with XYZ", so they self-medicate, which leads to greater problems. But also because they believe it's "safe".

    Single cannabis use can also lead to acute impairment and puts stresses on the body. I've never heard of someone getting in a car and killing someone because they were impaired on having chocolate that afternoon. 😆

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You are being down voted but this exact thing happened to somebody I know. The repeal of criminalization, without a better education plan, gave them the idea that "Oh its fine now". They became addicted to smoking it, spent all day every day just hitting a bong. Stopped working, had to repeat a year at uni to get courses on track. They've had to completely abstain, or they fall back into the spiral. Some people get addicted to alcohol, some its another drug entirely.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm being downvoted because addicts have to defend and justify their addiction, unfortunately.

    I had a family member who also went through the same. They developed psychosis (Cannabis-induced depersonalization-derealization disorder) through daily use of cannabis, and ended up needing to get treatment after their life went downhill.

    Stopped once the weed stopped, but it was an alarming transition, and not an easy addiction to break.

    They only became hooked once legalization came into effect, since it was accessible from anywhere.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I've already corrected your misinterpretation of the studies on several occasions, so there's no need to continue to belabour the point. If you want to argue about it to the authors of those studies, I'm sure they'd love to hear from you.

    This is not a "war on drugs", but a public health concern. You're free to harm yourself however you like. But the public, especially our youth, should be better informed of the risks, especially while the chatter about cannabis being "safe" is still being thrown about casually.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I had to check if we were in the same family/circle. Besides the one situation I mentioned, what you described happened happened to a family friend also. Quite a scary time for those around the person that didn't know what was happening to them (because isolation had led to less interaction), but luckily the ones that got hints took them in to make sure they were OK. And turned out it was bad psychosis and required a few weeks hospitalization.

    I'm a let people do what they want guy, but claiming marijuana is harmless is dangerous.

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    [–] -3 points 1 year ago

    And then they go all satanic and do murder.

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    [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Youth face unique risks. The brain continues to develop until about age 25, and THC exposure during this critical window can impair cognitive functions like memory, learning and emotional regulation.

    Any article quoting this is a huge red flag. This is a talking point repeatedly used to strip those 18-25 of their civil rights. The truth is your brain doesn't stop developing at 25. Your brain never stops developing and changing. 25 is just the age where studies on brain development tend to stop.

    Also, another huge red flag of this article is the complete lack of the word "alcohol" in it. Any article on the effects of cannabis abuse that don't provide proper context, namely comparing the severity effects of alcohol, is highly suspect.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    This is an interesting article. I’d like to see more research done into the consumption habits of the youth that are being affected. The article touches on potency from flower being above 25%, which is higher yield than we’ve previously had, even since legalization in Canada. But I think the bigger factors here are possibly two fold. First being how THC is being consumed. I’ve noticed younger and newer consumers trending towards vapes. They have a much higher THC concentration. Live resins around 70-85%, distillate up to 92% and diamonds going to 99%. And people absolutely fly through these carts. Second being where is the product coming from. Is this legally regulated with the limits in place, or is coming from the grey market where you can get up to 1-2k mg of THC in a single gummy? Overall a concerning trend, but something that needs to be looked into deeper as to where the root cause is. I highly doubt it’s solely from dry flower.

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