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Anon breaks up (sh.itjust.works)
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[–] 48 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

Fake: anon has gf

Gay: anon writing fanfic flirting with male cops

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    • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I appreciate the 100% complete, unbiased and unvarnished picture of the situation Green OP (Gropey?) has painted for us.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Story: Girlfriend cheats This guy: Maybe he deserved it

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Weird take. If you ain't happy with your SO you try and deal with it or you fuck off. Cheating just makes everything worse.

    My colleague cheated on her man and now everything is worse. Whatever situation caused her to do it, now the situation is even harder to resolve. No one is gonna go "yeah okay, I probably deserved that. Let's move on", haha!

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    • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Well? How did this story end? I can't find it in the 4plebs archive.

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    • [–] 103 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    I wonder if anon left something out? Like, threating to kill her or the person(s) she cheated with. Or some of the weapons being illegal? Nah, it would have been included if they weren't. Some people have high drama lives.

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  • [–] 42 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    FYI, women are just as capable of being terrible people as men are

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago

    My understanding is there is not a single state with red flag laws that allow all weapons to be seized based on one person's word. Well other than a doctor giving a professional diagnosis.

    For everyone else you have to have some evidence. Either multiple people witnessing threats/harassment video, or text based evidence.

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  • [+] 10 points 1 year ago* (2 children)
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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    Well red flag laws are bad, on the whole. There's no need to resort to propaganda really. Mostly because they present a disincentive for people to try and find help or share how they're feeling with others; not whatever bullshit the post is about.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    well even if this is the whole truth it would be a testament to his character that his girlfriend would cheat on him and then lie to the police just so he gets in trouble

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    In the hypothetical scenario that this is the whole truth, what you're doing is victim blaming.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I didn't intend to do that at all. The proverb I had in mind was "birds of a feather flock together". It doesn't mean he deserved it but I do think people who date people who would do this to them are probably not much better either. Also he wrote this on 4chan which is again, not a complete footprint of his personality but certainly a testament to his character.

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    • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Funny to read the comments. I don't want to judge anyone as Im not american and I grew up without even touching a real gun.

    Its just amazing how big role guns play in US culture. I can't imagine owning one, but most americans can't live without them. Its very bizarre.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It's not most Americans. It's about a third (which is still huge) and less than half of the population living in a gun owning household.

    Then there's a spectrum of how "important" guns are culturally. There are in my experience 3 categories of gun owners.

    1. People who own a gun or two. They may take it to the range or hunt, but mostly it's tucked securely away and they don't think about it or use it.

    2)Then there are collectors and enthusiasts. They enjoy firearms as a hobby. They have multiple. They watch firearms videos on social media. They go to gun shows and might join a club related to the hobby.

    3)Then there are the paranoid psychopaths for whom gun ownership and the insistence that they could have to defend themselves at any time is constantly at the forefront of their mind. They wish they had a reason to shoot someone and may end up shooting someone anyway.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Sorry bad phrasing, by most I meant a lot of americans. Thanks for correcting me :)

    I am somewhat familiar with the type of gun owners from US media and movies.

    For me the most mind-blowing thing is how easy is to get a gun at some places. I just imagine some shady people I know in my country, even some of my family members and can't imagine them having access to guns :D

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I'm a #2 except I dislike gun shows. Everything's overpriced and there's right-wing merch everywhere. Bought a canteen from a Proud Boy at one. Didn't know it until I overheard him talking to another guy. Tried to investigate him later, couldn't get a name.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    It perpetuates itself. If someone thinks there is a significant probability a burglar might have a gun, getting a gun themselves can increase their chance of survival. This is even ignoring the actual culture around it, where people want guns "just to have them".

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    You don't own a gun in case of a burglar having a gun. It's in case of home invasion period. I'm not going to wait around to determine if they're armed or not and I'm not going to restrict myself to some lesser means of stopping them just because they aren't. I didn't create this situation and I am not going to accept risk to myself to preserve the life of some asshole who doesn't even respect me enough not to break into my home.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Isn't this just a vicious cycle? You own a gun, because other people also have access to guns. The burglar might bring a gun, because the home owner possibly has a gun, etc

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I don't own a gun, I am 100x more likely to use it on myself than need it for self defense where I'm at. But the scenario I'm describing, whether or not the home invader has a gun or not doesn't matter, the simple fact that they are invading your home in the first place justifies lethal force. You could be injured/killed by them even without them having a gun so the safest option for the resident is shoot them immediately. The resident should not have to accept any level of risk whatsoever in dealing with this situation. You're not getting a gun because someone might attack you with a gun. You're getting a gun because someone might attack you.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Kinda. It’s also a remnant of the old west. Guns were freedom, protection, power, etc.

    It would be much more effective to curb crime by meeting everyone’s basic needs than giving everyone a gun.

    But dumb Americans don’t know any other way. They are just too self-centered and absorbed to think about anyone else.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    It would be much more effective to curb crime by meeting everyone’s basic needs than giving everyone a gun.

    If crime is reduced by meeting everyone's needs, then it shouldn't matter whether people have guns or not. So let's have strong social safety nets and quit pissing people off by taking away their hobbies and property.

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    • [–] 46 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    if you have multiple guns and can't afford a lawyer you have kinda fucked your priorities

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  • [–] 44 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You either overestimate how much guns cost or underestimate how much lawyers cost.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Or any of the scenarios where op is no longer employed or self employed and between jobs. Court appointed attorneys are based on current income iirc.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    LOL, I have shitloads of guns, unemployed. Ya got me! And it's not like selling them would bring me any amount of lawyer time.

    $1,000 AR-15, $800 used, at best. That's 3 hours of lawyer time and a few emails. I couldn't get $300 for most of my crappy guns.

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    • [+] 93 points 1 year ago (38 children)
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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Lot of US leftists and liberals hate guns, as a reaction to the right’s obsession with them.

    It is a stupid and dangerous reaction, because they give up their means of self-defense against far right militias and a fascist government.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I don't hate guns, I hate the "gun rights" movements and there fetishization of a skewed interpretation of the second amendment where any individual has the unalieanable right to own a gun.

    Even if a violent revolution were to happen, which odds are 99 to 1 it wont happen in the US in our lifetimes, then people like op hoarding guns aren't going to help. A well regulated militia might but that requires social organization and discipline, which most people in the gun rights movement don't have the time or willingness for.

    They aren't serious about using guns to defend liberty, they just like the aesthetic of it and make it part of there personality. So much so that they get offended by dumb and probably made up stories like this but not the countless other similar stories where there were no red flag laws and the gf gets killed.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Then they post about how the gun owners aren't doing anything to stop the fascist government. Yea, you've been alienating them for decades. They're not on your side.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    I think we just don't like guns.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Speak for yourself. God forbid men should have a hobby.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Are you really pretending this is about men having hobbies?

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I use my rifles for hunting. Some people like collecting and sport shooting. Some have theirs for self defense in higher crime areas because they can't afford better. So yeah?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    It can be a hobby, sure. But men having a hobby isnt was was being discussed at all. Nobody cares about men having hobbies, the issue is when this hobby is a potential threat to other people. Isnt this rather obvious?

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    You know exactly as much as I do about this hypothetical situation. Girlfriend cheats. Guy breaks up. Girl calls cops. Guy gets guns confiscated. If your argument is nothing more than "Well maybe he deserved it" you're an asshole.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Thats just not what im saying.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It sure feels like what you're saying is that due process goes out the window for things you don't like.

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  • [+] -17 points 1 year ago* (14 children)

    Dunno, someone having guns to shoot normal people is a big red flag to me.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    "Ah yes, someone is trying to break into my house, let's go down to the shop and buy a gun"

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago* (10 children)

    If you think before posting, ask yourself: is it normal to break into people's homes?

    And even then, here we don't worry about criminals with guns that much. The USA is idiotic in that regard, with its pervasive gun culture, resulting in weekly mass shootings.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    If you think before posting, ask yourself: is it normal to break into people's homes?

    No. It's incredibly disturbing behaviour, and in the USA they are likely armed as well. They're not going to nicely ask you not to resist them. That's why you need to have a gun so you can shoot them before they shoot you.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    With that mindset everyone will have guns, so violence then actually increases.

    The only answer is to dearm everyone.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Yeah, I think we're all in agreement about that here. But everyone isn't disarmed. I won't give up my gun until I know with 99% certainty that your average burglar won't get a hold of an illegal firearm.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    In most of the UK, even the average police officer isn't armed. (In Northern Ireland, the average police officer is armed, but the amount of times the firearms are ever actually fired is incredibly rare. Most of the time they go off is actually negligent. When they do go off, they are always investigated.)

    The problem is, how do you disarm the bad guys when you've been giving them guns without tracking them for decades

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I didn't ask to be born in a country where burglars are likely to have firearms. But now that I am, I have to react to that fact myself.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I am pro gun control, but if I lived in the USA, I'd own a gun. My opinions are for the ballot box and don't matter whenever someone is breaking into my house and threatening the lives of my wife and my children.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    I'm against gun control generally, live in the US, and don't own a gun. Why? The chance that my kids find my guns and play with them causing a tragedy is much higher than the chance I'll need to use a gun. Crime is incredibly low in my area, with the most pressing crime on my neighbors' minds being a "break-in" (nobody locks their doors) several years before we moved in by akid in the neighborhood, and we've been here >10 years without any incidents.

    So yeah, guns are more of a liability for me than a useful tool. However, not everyone lives in my area, so need for guns absolutely varies by area. I'd absolutely prefer an armed populace to the government having a monopoly on guns.

    I do agree w/ sensible restrictions, and most mass shootings would be averted if we actually enforced the laws we have. Most of the time, someone close to the shooter knew they were a risk yet did nothing.

    Most firearm deaths are either gang related or suicides. The solution there isn't banning guns, but solving the underlying problems. For those, I support:

    • drug legalization - cuts down on incarceration, which should reduce conversions to organized crime
    • cash redistribution - my preference is NIT, which is similar to UBI; helps prevent people from getting desperate
    • reform prison system to focus on rehabilitation instead of punishment - maybe prisons get funded based on reduced recidivism?

    IMO, guns aren't the problem, they're a tool. We need to solve the actual problems instead of putting kid gloves on everyone.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Why? The chance they my kids find my guns and play with them causing a tragedy is much higher than the chance I'll need to use a gun. Crime is incredibly low in my area, with the most pressing crime on my neighbors' minds being a "break-in" (nobody locks their doors) several years before we moved in by akid in the neighborhood, and we've been here >10 years without any incidents.

    Valid. But it's different if you are a transgender person living by yourself (i have heard and don't question the claim that transgender people in some areas may have their lives threatened)

    most mass shootings would be averted if we actually enforced the laws we have.

    Wasn't there a school shooting in America where the police tried to "contain" the shooter instead of confronting him? By contain, leave him in a class of kids.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    transgender person

    Right, which is a huge part of why I'm pro-gun despite not wanting them in my house. I think they're very useful tools to have for a lot of people, so they should be accessible.

    Wasn’t there a school shooting in America where the police tried to “contain” the shooter instead of confronting him? By contain, leave him in a class of kids.

    Probably. I know there were at least cases where the police waited outside.

    I'm very much in favor of arming and training teachers. I trust a teacher to protect my kids way more than a police officer, even if they're stationed permanently at the school. They shouldn't be compelled of course, but it should be an option w/ free training provided by the local police dept or gun club.

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    [–] 31 points 1 year ago

    Wtf? Cops just come and take your shit away because some girl said so?

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    [–] 37 points 1 year ago

    If you can afford a bunch of guns there's no chance in hell you're getting approved for a public defender. Good luck anon

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    [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Anon can easily get a lawyer pro-bono, with contingency fee, who would nail a case like this to a cross.

    In civil court, because she defamed him causing real and considerable loss of property, and psychological harm.

    As for defending, Anon hasn't really outlined any laws he might have broken...? Court for what? Just go to the trial and explain your side clearly and concisely: never a threat to anybody, cheating girlfriend made a false report.

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    • [–] 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    This is the horror story for red flag laws existing.

    Now imagine the horror stories of red flag laws not existing.

    You don't even have to imagine, just listen to one of the million true crime podcasts. Then multiply all those cases by 5 for all the minority women who they don't talk about.

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