Any competition is good competiton with the strangle-hold current producers have...
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Uhm, excuse me, but I don't think the 5060 qualifies as "high-end". I'm not saying that matching it is not an achievement, but that headline is weird at best
Unfortunately this is irrelevant unless
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There are several independent reviews confirming the performance figures
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These GPUs are widely available to a global market
Even then, we can see with modern trends that Nvidia maintains a passive market lead because they are the default choice because they have a market lead, because they are the default choice, ad infinitum
A few years ago you could've said exact same thing about BYD and Tesla.
Tesla is crap though.
They are, but they used to be considered the gold standard for EVs. Then Chinese companies ramped up production and left Tesla in the dust.
As we saw with Intel GPUs performance isn't even the main issue, it's the drivers. How many games will run on it without crashing or having bizarre performance problems?
ipad was released and it was too expensive. i remember my first chineese tablet. i bought a small tablet from aliexpress. its not great or terrible now they are really good. so they will cath im sure.
I built a PC earlier this year which should last me a long, long time. I fully expect my next one to come almost entirely from China
Yeah no, i still prefer being spied on by the US over being spied on by China.
Better yet, get me a computer that has only open source hardware, one that I can finally call my own
Why? The US spying on you has far more likely to actually affect you
That depends on where you hold a citizenship
Name the country that it would be better to be spied on by the US than by China in.
Or by a government committing genocide on subsets of it's citizens? A government that has disappeared citizens for decades for bit falling in line? Yeah, the US does that now too but at least it's just starting. At least the US has had some sort of free press until recently. Good luck with any of that in China
Also, you missed the part where I said that nobody should be able to spy on me, we need open source hardware. That is the much bigger point. The US and China both suck, I don't want to have to deal with either
Westerners continue to be the most propagandised people on the planet
Oh come on, really now? Uyghurs. Let's start there?
And yes, all that is happening, and no, China is notoriously NOT cooperating, and yes, they have a reach as even uyghurs in Europe are followed when they try and speak out.
None of this is controversial, this is well established. Then again you're one of those "I did my research, I read a Facebook page!" type skeptics that always come up with these weird requirements that can't be met before you'll believe anything that doesn't match your warped world view.
China is committing genocide on Uyghurs, that is established fact. If you don't want to believe that, fine, but I would like to let you know that I have a bridge I can sell you at great discount!
Sure, I can give you sources but just your "prove it beyond reasonable doubt" tells me that it doesn't matter what I give you, you won't even read it, you just want "China great"
I mean, I have no problem whatsoever with seeing that the US is fucking evil, because it is. Yet for you, the mere notion that China might not be the perfect paradise seems impossible to grasp
Makes me wonder, are you one of those Chinese government funded shills?
I'll send you reading materials if you like but I honestly doubt you have any interest in expanding your knowledge at al.
JFC, THERE IS EXTRAORDINARY EVIDENCE YOU FUCKWAT
You just don't want to look at it and if someone snacks it in your face you'll just say it's propaganda.
China awesome! Chinese government NEVER does anything bad or evil, they would never!
There is no convincing you as you're either a really sad troll or a China paid shill, or just a severely naive little boy who really never learned to look beyond your own nose
Geekbench did some testing a month ago, and came up with 'comparable to a gtx 660.'
Yeah that's mentioned in the article, hopefully the new run is representative of an overall improved software situation and they're not specifically targeting geekbench results.
But then I guess even if they are targeting geekbench then this run is representative of the performance of the GPU if they're able to optimize for specific games anyways.
Huawei had Ascend gpus for a while, so I would not call this the first.
Aren't those AI chips, as opposed to gaming GPUs?
You discuss the CPC while playing video games? Weird flex, but okay.
Given the option, I prefer US spying over Chinese spying. Yes, the US, with all its shit, is still better than China since there still is (just a little) more transparent than China.
Having said that, why not neither? Can we please already start having open source hardware?
I think that Snowden (and other leakers) would argue that the US is much much less transparent. Though it is best to just assume that all major govs are spying on everyone (even if it makes an ass out of u and me). Though we can agree on open source hardware.
Snowden? The guy living in Russia because he likes genocidal Putin better?
Yeah I'm sorry, I'm not a fan.
Also, can you guys please stop defending China? I'm not defending the US, it's a shit show, it's always been a shit show. Well, at least for the past 5 decades or so. China too, is an absolute shit show and has been that for much, much longer.
For all its many many many MANY faults; in the US at least I can still write "fuck the Cheeto Trump" and be sure I won't get a visit from state police. I know, trump will make sure that the US becomes more like China soon, but I fucking double dare you to live in China and make a post every day about how xi is winnie Pooh and how tiananmen square was a massacre back in the 90s
White, Anglo-Saxon, Christian.
Sure, just makilr up some random nonsense, it's what you do for the Chinese government as well
Why would I work for free for the Chinese government or any other government? My Arab country gives me free education, healthcare and subsidized eggs and I still don’t support it uncritically. It’s far more logical and reasonable to attribute your fear of China to racism and chauvinism, and is consistent with what I have seen from your culture, media and politics over the years.
your culture
Yeah, not mine, buddy
And I don't give a shit.aboyt your skin color so you can stop the "racism!!!" right there.
You're openly defending a dictatorship that -amongst other fun things- commits genocide. I think we can leave it there already, discussion over.
It's theoretically a democracy, china isnt
It literally is
In a democracy most people get what they want most of the time. Do you honestly believe that people in the US want to go bankrupt every time they need healthcare?
A democracy is the people voting lol. You also get what you vote for, some people vote against themselves. Nice thing about China is the state knows best and you dont need to vote :)
People vote in China. Anyways, this is getting off topic. This Chinese GPU should be judged on technical merits, not based on the form of government or whether China adheres to European cultural and political norms. If that's your only issue with it, then it is an admission that it is a competitive product.
This discussion started with the question "is it better to have a democracy or a dictatorship spy on you" but sure.
China is a communist country governed by one political party that allows only limited democratic activity.
Interesting quote from your link. I'f they adopt democracy and allow fair elections then it wouldn't be a problem but maybe that's too European for your liking
This was never about performance, I hope we get more competitive products.
Israel is a Western liberal democracy that doesn’t make it good; and Nvidia is helping it commit genocide. I would rather a Chinese company spy on me than an American or European company, more so if said company is complicit in genocide. What will the Chinese government do to me? Nothing.
European-style democracy (US and Israel included) is but one form of government, nations are allowed to choose alternative forms. Judging by the outcomes European-style democracy isn’t even the best form of government. Your intolerance of other forms and desire to enforce your own system on others even when your system is clearly broken and failing can only be explained by chauvinism and tacit racism.
Hmm, yeah the ethno-state that is china has never done anything wrong, especially not to its own citizens.
What will the Chinese government do to me?
What will a democratic government do to you?
Nations are allowed to choose alternative forms
Sure, but the people of china don't have much say. If they voice a critical opinion they're silenced, doesn't seem like they're allowed to choose.
I'm sure you've heard the Churchill quote: "Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."
You'd rather live under a dictatorship than in a democracy? That's an interesting opinion, not without its merit I'll admit. A benevolent dictator can be the most effective form of government, the problem is what happens after they're gone.
Hmm, yeah the ethno-state that is china has never done anything wrong, especially not to its own citizens.
Ethnostate? I think you’re thinking of Israel. The idea of a “Han supremacist” state comes exclusively from Western propaganda, and the “Uyghur genocide” is a psyop[1][2][3].
Sure, but the people of china don’t have much say. If they voice a critical opinion they’re silenced, doesn’t seem like they’re allowed to choose.
More propaganda. By their own account, Chinese people feel they’re being heard by their government, much more so than Americans do. You can say whatever you like in the US because free speech here is like shouting at the wind.
You’d rather live under a dictatorship
Yet more propaganda. Meanwhile the US has never been democratic; it’s always been an oligarchy.
Propaganda can be overcome by developing real media literacy.
Good god, how did you become to confidently wrong?
What happened to "A democracy is the people voting lol"? Those goal posts sailing away
Well the votes need to mean something obviously. North Koreans also vote, would you class NK as a democracy?
Don’t worry, the US govt will proudly sell the opportunity for palantir or some other bullshit AI surveillance company to embed spyware into your hardware to ensure you’re not a terrorist*
*someone critical of the trump regime
Even if that were true, it'd be better than spyware tracing everything to the US Empire. What's China going to do to me when I live in the US?
What does China have to do with Trump?
At least follow the script, Trump administration is because of the damn Russians...
Thank you for taking your valuable time away from huffing gas to grace us with your deep and profound insights.
Even if China were doing that, what would they do with the information? Nothing, because they don’t give a shit about you, because you’re on the other side of the planet. They’re not doing that because they’re not cartoon villains wasting their time and effort on nefarious plots against Western randos.
Also, almost all of your current hardware came from China, so I guess you’re not actually that worried about it.


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