OC by @kippinitreal@lemmy.world

Copilot on teams Android keeps turning itself on. I looked through docs & found I was doing things correctly. So I opened it up out of frustration.

I know it means nothing, but I had to say (type?) it out loud. I have really come to hate Windows since 11 was forced on us at work.

Ironically, it’ll just ape back what you want to hear by being sympathetic towards my concerns, addressing nothing.

Don’t know who’s more pathetic, the chatbot or me 🥲

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[–] 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

since 11 was forced on us at work.

Windows 10 is coming to end of life and your org is basically being forced to upgrade themselves. Many people are sad to see it go.

Personally, I left Windows 11 for Linux Mint because I bought 11 Pro OEM and was downgraded to home with 11.

Professionally, I am doing my best to acknowledge people's loss in the workplace as I migrate them to 11.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You bought 11 pro and was downgraded to 11 home?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I thought 11 was the cleanest looking Windows in a long time. Really liked it. Ironically it's the Windows version I have used the least, because I started gaming full-time on Linux, so that eliminated the only use I had for Windows.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    Same. I had to install it in a VM to do some Wndows specific development and it was very clean. I haven't noticed any ads or intrusive popups. I never used Windows 10 but whenever I saw someone using it at work it was always extremely noisy with news alerts and other shit popping up all the time.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Did the "upgrade" to win11 last week, it's been quite horrible especially the windows explorer which hangs for 5s every time I open a folder 😮‍💨

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm such a Linux man as everyone else here, but I haven't noticed any lagginess in windows Explorer after the upgrade. It's just the same, opens folders instantly.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Then it could be a specific case that causes the lags. I noticed that a complicated folder structure, maybe in combination with sharepoint links, are the worst. and the icons would take some time to load as well 😞. I'm even on a beefy and expensive company workstation laptop.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don't use Windows anymore, but I understand if you have to. Recently I found this alternative to the windows explorer build from the ground up to be as efficient as possible https://filepilot.tech/ It's a cool project from a great programmer that has a presentation on the Better Software Conference showing how it works underneath. It uses older windows API functions that apparently are way faster than the modern alternatives.

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    [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    You can always ask them for a Linux distro. When I was an intern, I asked the IT team to preinstall some flavour of Linux. And they did. They installed Ubuntu on that laptop.

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  • [–] 65 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    Unironically AI is pretty good at helping linux noobs.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago

    It figured out the issue with my front panel 3.5 audio jack not working when I plugged in headphones in my Mint desktop pc.

    AI is decent at combing through all that documentation and forum posts and getting to a sensible approach.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Even people who've been at it for years. I am skeptical of the AI hype bubble as much as anyone here, but it's been very useful for fixing things in Linux. Just in the past years it helped me (among others):

    • Find an obscure bug that was reported that same day in the kernel, and helped me switch to the LTS kernel to prevent these issues.
    • Help me setup up a random 35mm film scanner that I found with cups, and then help me set up a win XP VM when that didn't work out
    • Help me fix bluray playback yesterday after VLC suddenly randomly started to refuse playing it.
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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    It's a great tool for the right tasks. What's annoying is that it's marketed as being a great tool for tasks it can barely do.

    It has really sped up the process of writing things in languages I'm unfamiliar with. All the stupid little mistakes it will find much faster than trying to google them. As long as you're critical of the answers I also found it pretty good at explaining how to do things. It will often get some details wrong but as long as you have general programming ability and access to documentation you can usually figure those out somewhat easily.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I doubt anyone here hates AI other than for the big companies pushing it constantly. ML and language models have been a thing since the last decade but we only hate them now cause of how desperate the corpos are about it and oh the data scraping too but that's expected.

    For me it helped with:

    • Fixing electron apps not launching in wayland
    • Fixed my ignis shell code(ricing, these shells keep changing and it's a burden maintaining them)
    • automating my system with a few systemd timers.

    Albeit I could do these myself by looking at docs but it's not worth the time. Now it just works instead of "maintaining my arch setup".

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    I'm in my 50s, I've been in IT professionally for 30 years, using Linux for 25 of those.

    I hate AI.

    I don't hate the technology, but I hate the culture of "ez learning" and the marketing. Literally people who have no clue about technology openly saying "wanna bet?" when I say it doesn't always have the right answers.

    Sure, 19 of 20 chatgpt answers are great, but that 20th answer is dangerously wrong. Like, wreck your infrastructure wrong.

    I also hate what it's doing to young minds the most, though: the 20 something techs I hire will lean on AI so hard, they have no sense of what to do if the answer isn't forthcoming, just ¯\(ツ)/¯.

    AI is killing problem-solving.

    Edit: I'm distinguishing AI from ML here, which I do use as a pattern recognition tool.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    Yes, exactly. Its killing problem solving ability and learning. Taking the extra time to search around and figure things out helps you learn. Not to mention its poisoning its own well, making legitimate answers harder and harder to find on the web.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I completely agree. In the current context it's important to note that I have a cs degree and you too probably and way better than me. But some people don't know how to use computers and that's fine. They just like to surf or play games. I think when you are troubleshooting your pc, it's fine. That's my position.

    What you are saying I think is completely different discussion. I know people that you are referring to and you cannot change them. Some people love ignorance but yeah I agree it's impacting a lot of people but I don't think it's a ai issue, it's a people issue.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    This is some boomer-tier gatekeeping and just another "back in my day, things were better because..."

    The people who aren't problem solving beyond typing something into a chat bot are the same people who wouldn't have done so before the chat bot existed.

    You can absolutely find similar complaints about the internet being invented, or search engines, or any other technological expansion in the past entire human history.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Agreed, you absolutely can find similar complaints about search engines, and there were similar fools back then who relied wholesale on search results and nothing further.

    I'm looking for people who can problem-solve, not just click-click-next use tools. When search engines made life easier, the folks who didn't try anything past searching google just didn't advance in tech fields if they couldn't get it done. The people I'm talking about now are walking into jobs that require thinking while literally proclaiming that they let something else do the thinking for them.

    What am I supposed to do with a tech who can't get past an ansible deployment because he couldn't figure out how to find and use the ansible wiki? As I plainly said, it's not the technology, it's the culture.

    Your "boomer" take on this isn't valid because I'm also getting the AI-bro talk from idiots my age as well.

    Last, I'd like to point out that you don't know what gatekeeping means. Maybe chatgpt can help you.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Barring terrible company policy, those people who can't do more than allow the AI to think for them will find themselves out of a job pretty quickly if they can't do the work themselves.

    Bad employees and stupid people will always be stupid, the newest tech isn't the cause of that. Maybe it lowers the bar of entry a bit?

    Lastly, you're clearly gatekeeping "the ability to critically think" based on some arbitrary conditions you made up based on "how things used to be", so to speak. Maybe you could have used your superior boomer wisdom to figure that one out.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    I do find it amusing that “AI Bros” seems to have very little literacy of how the instruct LLM tools actually work, even at the executive level of companies. It reflects the sort of “confident ignorance” you see with being unable to look up documentation and such.

    I find this frustrating because I consider myself a local LLM tinkerer and find it… Isolating. I love the problem solving loop and hammering gritty details out to coax decent tokens out quickly, or getting it to use documentation/forced syntax effectively, or assembling a bizzare dataset for some weird style or dialect, and that’s like antithetical to the culture.

    I guess what I’m saying is there are problem solvers who use LLMs. Maybe they’re pink elephants.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I felt the same way regarding AI. I always felt like it was too unreliable, and while you obviously shouldn't trust it blindly, it has been doing a pretty good job explaining things to me. I've been using a local model with ollama, i think it's called qwen2.5 coder or something, and it has been helpfull explaining some NixOS stuff to me, where i couldn't find it myself (cause NixOS documentation is all over the place). I also use it for explaining some bash stuff to me sometimes when i'm writing a script. Usually i don't just care about the answer but i also want to learn why something works if it isn't clear to me, and so far it also has done a good job explaining how it works when i ask it a follow up question.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Indeed, it helped me a lot when I didn't know when to start. Searching on the web can yield very old results, and you simply don't know what is outdated and what's not.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    Ultimately that’s what most agenic “AI” is doing these days. Literally just hitting the top few results of Google or Bing and plopping it into the text context.

    In other words, if web search is returning very bad results then the LLM will too, if that web search option is enabled. You have to be careful.

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    [–] 41 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Ironically, it’ll just ape back what you want to hear by being sympathetic towards my concerns, addressing nothing.

    So, standard customer support

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    That's actually a really good response.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    I've been holding off on upgrading my work computer to W11 for as long as I can. It's already slow as shit with all the MS bloat (along with another required spyware program we have installed for one of our vendors), I can only imagine 11 will make that much worse.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    Whenever copilot tells me I can't do something I tell it how much I think Microsoft is a bunch of losers for the restrictions they've put in.

    It doesn't solve anything but I feel a little better after.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    I have never cared what work wanted me to use. It's their computer, not mine. They can use a potato for all I care. As long as I can do my job, and I can just fine with windows. Collecting my package is what I most care about.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    so you can keep Windows for work but use Linux for everything else

    LOL

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  • [+] -19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Definitely you.

    Your posting about an AI helping you with Linux because you hate an operating system. Deranged shit.

    "Turning on itself".... really?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Whoa, plot twist! Turns out it's not OP or the chatbot- it's some rando in the comments

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