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[–] 61 points 1 day ago (10 children)

Yes, some Democrats weren't present for the vote. Some Republicans weren't either.

The current House leadership called the vote specifically because the Democrats weren't there. If they were, they wouldn't call the vote.

How about we maybe wait until the new Congress gets seated with a Democratic majority before we start blaming them for shenanigans?

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  • [–] 23 points 1 day ago*

    I had read they had just recently been dismissed, and so were scattered in various places, some involved in other things. And the vote was called for at an odd hour? Definitely not suspicious or manipulated.

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  • @BluescreenOfDeath @technocrit It reminds me of a scene from the film "Amazing Grace," where actor Ioan Gruffod's "Wilberforce" character schedules a vote in Parliament to abolish the slave trade, at the same that he knows a majority of the slavery-defending members will be absent, thereby guaranteeing him a victory. The GOP needed to do some posturing, so their Messiah Trump would not be blamed for the obvious military failures. They also needed to create some distractions fast, so their cult would have something to talk about besides the blue wave discussions, which would have shown them why they should no longer support Donald, and would have proven that the blue wave was real and not "fake news."If any of the GOP who are in Congress now genuinely wanted #Hegseth #impeached and removed, they would have waited until the Dems were in charge to propose it. This was all theatre, and the attendance-- or absence-- of a small number of Democrats at this point was never going to change the final result. That particular game was rigged. The vote and results were decided before anyone even stepped in the room.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago

    Plus even if the impeachment could succeed in the senate and get him removed now, the Republicans can rubber stamp whoever they want as a replacement while they still have the majority.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    I don't disagree with your take. The timing was deliberate. But the larger issue is that these people were elected to vote in our interests and they chose (through self stated ineptitude or otherwise) to miss a vote important to their constituents and the Democrat party. They're not doing their job and it's glaring in the face of newly elected members who badly want to do their job and very activated voters. If you take two hour poops at work to avoid work, the one time you definitely shouldn't do that is when you've got a presentation to do. The lack of care they're showing under such a spotlight shows either corruption or brazen disrespect.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago (1 child)

    They didn't "choose" to miss the vote, the vote was announced and taken while they were away.

    Republicans basically looked at who was around, saw that they could be tricky, and went ahead and did a thing.

    I'm really liking how you just sail right past that part.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 day ago* (2 children)

    I definitely agree that it feels like there's something funny going on with the missing Dems.

    That said, I think something like half of all Democrats (and more Republicans) in congress get support from AIPAC, so singling out these 11, many of whom had relatively small contributions from AIPAC is pretty obviously intentionally misleading.

    I'm not saying this article is right or wrong, but it feels more like propaganda than reporting.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago

    They called the vote after all the dems left on break, because they called a break to get the dems to leave. It's just republican fuckery. It's always republican fuckery. Yet here we are blaming the wrong people again.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago

    I think it's rather common for them to coordinate so many of them get to vote in favor of a popular bill, but enough of them miss it or break ranks with the party that ooooh darn, we just weren't able to meet the threshold. Like here. If every AIPAC-funded Democrat "coincidentally" misses it, they risk turning the eye of the whole nation towards AIPAC, but if they coordinate just enough to missing to fail, we... Have this conversation instead.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

    "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

    — Hanlon’s Razor

    While I’m certainly willing to believe that, perhaps two or three of these house representatives were “conveniently otherwise occupied“ due to the influence of special interest interests, I’ve seen interviews with the majority of them, and they were clearly just being irresponsible dumbasses.

    I mean… Have you met people?

    Edit: Don Lemon even interviewed one of these house representatives, and all he could say was how much of an idiot he was and that he was sorry.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MfV7C09f6Mg&pp=ygUJZG9uIGxlbW9u&ra=m

    If nothing else, it’s refreshing to see politicians admit when they fucked up and did the wrong thing. And gasp! Apologize for it? At least it’s progress from the Trump shit show we’ve had for the last (1)2 years.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    Jonathan Jackson was seen on the steps ten or so minutes before the vote. He could have walked in and voted. He chose not to. Claimed there was traffic preventing him but didn't answer to why he didn't just walk in and vote.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Distraction from

    • Trump lost and so did deep red republicans
    • Epstein files are coming up again
    • Trump destroying our White House grounds because he's trying to create a safe compound with nobody behind him
    • All of the illegal shit he and his people are currently doing.

    Don't get me wrong, this isn't trump leading the distraction, he's too far gone mentally to do anything like that on purpose.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)
    1. You've literally got a $0 AIPAC donation person listed in your graphic. You're not a serious person.

    2. Can we get a proper list of AIPAC donations, ranked from highest to lowest of all members, and then highlight which weren't there? I'm guessing there's a lot more donations and chery picking these people makes it look more intentional than it was.

    3. Why couldn't they literally just submit it again for a vote? I'm guessing because Republicans put it up for this very specific type of vote and it can't be redone until January. If it was another type of vote, they could have literally just tried it again with more members present if they were serious about it.

    You want to hate on AIPAC, go ahead. But don't do it as GOP puppets. Enough with the anti-Democrat crap. Petending like you aren't falling for GOP's manufactured outrage is 100% on brand for unserious people. If it doesn't happen in January, then I'll re-join you in your anger.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago

    I guess Melanie stansbury just did it for the love of the game since shes the only one who didnt receive AIPAC money (according to the chart anyway).

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  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago

    I am just happy AIPAC is getting exposed for what they really are, a foreign agent that manipulates and uses american taxpayer funds to drop bombs on women and children in palestine. You take money from israel, you will fail at the polls and the elections.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago

    Wait, you guys got paid for this??

    Sure did! I got 13k. Ka-fucking-ching, baby!

    Nice, I've got 15! Haley, how about you?

    ... same, 15k.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    I wonder if this is a calculated move to wait until after the new Congress is sworn in, but that might be way too charitable.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    I'm going to keep pasting everytime someone posts a new article about this dead horse...

    Maybe some of you don't realize this, but while I don't like the Dem party, this is clearly news bait to drive a wedge in the left.

    The vote wasn't whether or not to impeach, it was whether or not to move the impeachment to committee.

    It was also called short, before Dems that COULD'VE been present could arrive.

    The GOP loves playing games, this is them playing games and you're falling for it.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago (2 children)

    The left who,do not support war crimes and want universal health care for you

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    Man what kind of jobs are you people working where you get fired for being stuck in traffic. Not defending these people, but some of the discourse I've seen around this has been insane.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago*

    I was fired for being late because I was stuck in traffic behind a god damn herd of sheep that were crowding the road in front of a farm where another car slammed through the fence when I worked for MCI doing relay.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago

    So help me out here. I understand the vote was 211-204 against, with Massie (R) being the only republican to vote with the Democrats for impeachment. But the US House is still 219 Republicans - 214 Democrats until January. Wouldn't the Republicans have just waited until a more opportune time to call the vote, when they had all 218 Nay voting members present, if those 11 Democrats had been there? Meaning the presence of the 11 Democrats really didn't matter with regard to the outcome of the vote, just the timing of it?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago

    It only costs $13K to tank a congressman’s vote?

    Shit I should give it a try.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago

    As difficult of a pill as this is to swallow, an impeachment vote wouldn't solve the problem. It would put people on record, sure, but anyone who's paying attention already has there mind made up about hegseth, and those supporting his position. To actually remove him, it would take 2/3rds of the Senate to convict him, which is definitely not in the cards until January, and even then it's a pipe dream.

    The real change that is needed is the rebuke of citizens united, and the removal of private money from politics. Publicly funded elections and severe reprimands for anyone taking money under the table are the only ways I can see to make sure our representatives actually have a drive to represent us. The billions of dollars of private money is why, time and time again, politicians vote explicitly against the desires of the majority of their constituents.

    That or guillotines.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago

    Isn't Jeffries supposed to be in that picture?

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