I'm asking because I wonder if Lemmy having a left wing, progressive, socialist, communist bent means Reddit was coming down hard on those ideologies (biased if you will) than right leaning, centrist or free market Capitalist ideologies?

Side question, if Lemmy grows do you think the same will happen here?

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[–] 24 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (7 children)

There was hardly a conservative to be found on reddit until about 2013. I was sort of surprised when exremist conservatives showed up and became a force on the site. However, they ended up being so toxic that reddit banned a lot of their shit around 2017-2019. Last I was around there, people with typical US Democrat politics were the majority by a good bit. Of course that means lame conservatives come and whine about how liberal everyone is. Yeah dude, you’re not the majority, sorry.

Lemmy is far more leftist. It’s rare to encounter communist supporters on reddit, but not so much on Lemmy. I’d never heard of the term tankie before coming to lemmy.

As far as a group that seems more comfortable than on reddit, I’d say trans people found a home on Lemmy. (edited because this sentence was semi-incoherent)

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  • [–] 11 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

    Reddit didn't ban them. It took so much racist crap for TheDonald to get wiped, and even then, the same assholes just made a new sub and continued on with dogwhistles.

    Reddit also seemed to allow right wing brigading while punishing leftists in a very unbalanced manner. Multiple "moderate" (sane, non-tankie) left-wing subreddits had to close around major US political events because alt right chuds would swarm them and the admins didn't help. Meanwhile I once got a 30 day ban for "brigading" when all I did was going to a right wing post that was linked on a progressive sub and engaged in what I saw as good faith debates - and they were actually productive as I've received multiple comments from right leaning accounts about how I provided new perspective. No name calling or anything, actually civilised debate (which today seems impossible), around universal healthcare and education being something that benefits everyone in a society, even if indirectly...

    Then the whole thing turned to shit around 2018, and by Jan6, things got incredibly polarised, making debate impossible.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 hours ago (1 child)

    They did ban r/ intcel, coontown, frenworld, fatpeoplehate, gendercritical, chapostraphouse, braincels, and various others. "the donald" was initially quarantined in 2019 and banned in 2020. By then they'd already let the scum who ran and frequented the sub run rampant over the site for way too long.

    I recall around 2017, various left-leaning subs started automatically banning anyone who participated in what they called hate subs. That was annoying because even if you went in t_d and said "wow, you guys are losers", you'd get banned from other subs by a bot.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 hour ago

    I mean, I got auto banned from a number of feminist subreddits like, 2-3 years after gamergate, because once upon a time I commented on the kotaku subreddit a few times (some big game release I think)...

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  • [–] 10 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

    I remember there being a whole bunch of Ron Paul supporters on Reddit back when I joined it around 2009-ish

    It was a different breed of conservative than the MAGA types we have now, but you'd be pretty hard-pressed to label them anything but conservative.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 hours ago

    This is true of reddit and how I remember it. A lot more akin to 4chan of the time than not honestly, despite redditors acting as if they were above them, but I also changed over time. A consequence of my sheltered conservative christian 90's monoculture small prairie town upbringing, but I gradually moved more and more to the left with life experience and internet exposure. I wouldn't say I really settled until my early 30's. Perhaps as a Democratic Socialist, but I don't like to really adhere to any given labels. Was atheist the whole time but that didn't change much about my upbringing and initial views even if I was immune to the actual deity belief part of conservative religious indoctrination.

    reddit became less and less welcoming of me as time went on. Eventually leading to getting banned repeatedly, especially during Trump term 1.

    But to answer OP: Yeah, I don't run into much friction here, mind you, I block the tankie triad.

    Side question, if Lemmy grows do you think the same will happen here?

    I don't think it will, but no. I think more splintering into defined groups that get along would happen.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (5 children)

    Not really.

    I don't want to murder etsy quilters for participating in capitalism and I'm comfortable hearing opinions I don't agree with, so the lemmigarchs and groupthink-meme-peasantry both get angry at me a lot here.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 hours ago (1 child)

    You monster. Quilters are clearly privileged time possessors! Your lack of willingness to kill them tells me everything. /S

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  • [–] 1 point 2 hours ago

    Already replied to the original person, but this isn't what communists are mad at; there's a MAJOR difference between the petite bourgeoisie and self-managed goods and services. It's the surplus of labour at traditional businesses which are considered bourgeois, not having co-ops or self-produced products.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 hours ago*

    I am very glad that more people here are to the left of me rather than the right, but it hasn't seemed to make discussion any easier.

    I just don't see the Fediverse catching on widely overall, and if it does it will splinter.

    I will no longer tolerate bad faith discussion, targeted violent rhetoric, and blatantly insulting comments.

    We have, largely, been better here, and I hope to... if not keep it that way, then at least continue to advocate for a better form of discussion that promotes understanding. I say this because, as a leftist, I have been dragged further left by being here in ways that have measurably changed the lives of people around me.

    Keeping a social media space relatively non-toxic HELPS PEOPLE. Let's try.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 hours ago

    my politics piss everyone off because they are pragmatic rather than based on idealism.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 49 minutes ago)

    Wasn't all that active on Reddit before I got banned for "security reasons" (which I still to this day have no idea what they mean by that), but it was a mixed bag on Reddit. Which makes sense, there is a LOT of users on Reddit after all. On Lemmy? It seems like everyone is one of two factions here: Liberals/Progressives/Social Democrats or the Tankies, and which one you encounter when posting or replying is seemingly random to me. It's unfortunately emblematic of the current day left though where both sides spend more time infighting than actually opposing the right. Though tbf, the right has gone off the deep end so hard that there's nothing of substance to engage with anymore from their side. Anyway, I could be entirely wrong though and it isn't just two waring factions here. I imagine if Lemmy was as big as Reddit though that it would be a mixed bag of ideologies since there would be a lot of normies as well

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  • [–] 3 points 10 hours ago (1 child)

    I didn't engage in politics on reddit because there was other content there. Here not so much.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 hours ago* (2 children)

    I'm in a weird spot where some people would consider me right wing and some would consider me left wing. I believe I'm closer to the left but I do have some Right ideas. Because of this no community fully accepts my opinions. But on Lemmy atleast we can argue without some fuckass mod deleting the messages and banning everyone.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 hours ago (1 child)

    I've always hated the left/right "spectrum". Politics and philosophy are highly multidimensional, reducing it to a single line - or, these days, a pure binary value - hopelessly oversimplifies the issue.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

    I have views that lots people on social media will disagree on, but unless they are far-right, I think its still not exactly completely hostile.

    But here, oh boy, if you aren't left enough, you are a "fascist".

    By Lemmy standards, most people I've talked to would be "fascist". Your uncle with a small bussiness complaining about a liberal politician? Yep he's literally adolf hitler. Your grandma that only ever gets fed propaganda? She's no different from someone cheering at the gas chambers. Your male classmates that never had good influence in their life and fell into a manosphere rabbit hole because the left abandoned young men, and they just wanna feel better and be "alpha" (or whatever it is they say)? Oh yea according to Lemmy, we should just shoot all these people. Shoot your grandma cuz its her fault for watching propaganda. Your uncle is a nazi because he has a stuggling bussines and got swindled by a politician. Dont even bother teying to talk to your conservative neighbor, Lemmy commands you to shoot them on sight. Everyone is evil unless they are 100% Socialist.

    I would say Lemmy is better than 4chan or someshit like that, but its not some internet paradise.

    But at least you wont get called a slur here, thats the best part about far-left spaces over the far-right. Radical racial inclusivity and pro LGBTQ is the best thing about Lemmy, even when toxicity happens, at least your race or sexual lifestyle is never criticized. But "more accepted" is not exactly the right word.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 hours ago (1 child)

    I was banned on Reddit for being too pro-choice, so I’d say so.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 hour ago

    well, I'm not perma banned here.

    I'll let that fact speak for itself.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 hours ago

    I'm liberal as fuck so you'd think I'd get along good with both Reddit and Lemmy, but I've been drawn into so many knock-down, drag-out flame wars on both platforms with people I agree with on 95% of the stuff under discussion that I just noped out of discussing US politics online altogether.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 hours ago

    Applying this question to Lemmy as a whole strikes me as a sign of the basic point of the Fediverse being missed. It's not supposed to be a single community.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 hours ago

    My politics are are universally unacceptable so I fit in here just as well as anywhere.

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