Being anything other than progressive at this point comes off as cowardly and complacent tbh. If you're not left wing, then you're not fighting.

People need to see us fighting.”

fighting against the fascists or fighting each other

yes

Which is exactly what Neera Tanden, Chuck Schumer, AIPAC Shakur, Jared Moskowitz, and co. are trying to do.

And don't forget that the reason, the ONLY reason Biden won was because of Covid and Trump's mismanagement of it. Without Covid, Trump would have won reelection in 2020. Centrist dems have been a losing brand for three election cycles at this point.

Blue maga

Even if you're running the party like it's a cynical numbers game there are two possible scenarios. A. You could try to win more votes by moving to the right and peeling off center-right Republicans. Mostly old people who were proud of being asociated with Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher but ashamed of being associated with Donald Trump and Tommy Robinson. You do this at the expense of losing however many people on the left wing who are barely willing to vote for you now, who if they see your new platform is sucking up to Israel harder, backing the blue, and throwing trans people under the bus, will just stay home.

B. You could try to win more votes by moving to the left and motivating the mostly young people who currently aren't voting at all because both parties just answer to lobbyists and let billionaires get away with everything and nothing ever happens so what's the point. They will vote for meaningful, structural change. They will vote for whoever comes out as standing for the polar opposite of every single thing conservatives stand for, and promising to fight for it hard.

You can bet on either path working out- again, even being completely mercenary and strategic and not taking a principled stand on anything. One or the other group of potential voters has to be larger.

Here's the thing, in my whole life I have only ever seen Democrats- as a party- try doing A. Again and again and again. We have seen 3 decades of results demonstrating how effective a strategy it isn't.

Might B work better? I don't know, no one does, because they've never once just fucking tried it.

So I don't believe it is even a strategy at all, not a serious and good-faith one. It's a ruse; an op.

But the Democrats aren't the only ones doing it. Look around the world, right now everywhere's got some gutless, triangulating, unilaterally-compromising centrist party that's good for business and good for business as usual and polls well with the low-information normies but when it comes down to it they will side with the far-right against the far-left 10 times out of 10.

I disagree. I've always thought they fumble the balls well.

Grow a pair of balls for fucks sake

But I spent so much money getting rid of those damn things, why would I want another pair of those little bastards? 🤣

Lol this sounds like a similar argument to using paper straws to save the planet. If climate change gets worse its because we as individuals didn't use enough of them. Nevermind about all those corporations spewing out more pollution than we could in a million lifetimes.

You're already framing an excuse for poor Democratic performance before they've even taken office by claiming that it's our responsibility to make them do a good job despite decades of proof demonstrating that they ignore the electorate just as much as Republicans do.

This makes a nice double whammy when combined with those arguments from people who claim that criticizing the Democratic party means you must secretly be some Republican operative or working for a Russian disinformation farm. No true Democrat would ever criticize the party for poor performance, so your criticism is disregarded, but when the party performs poorly it's because we didn't criticize them enough.

The blame always comes back to us and must never be directed at the people who voluntarily ran a campaign to become a representative of the public even when they ignore the public they campaigned to represent. Then 2-4 years later they get kicked out of office for poor performance, and 2-4 years after that we must elect them back into office because of the other party's poor performance. On and on and on it goes...

Just don't ever think about voting for any party but these two because can you just imagine how badly things might get if one of the two parties that have been running the country into the ground for hundreds of years isn't at the helm? It'd be pandemonium!

"Dead weight" or "boat anchor" are phrases that come to mind.