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[–] 19 points 15 hours ago (1 child)

"Battle-tested" is a funny way to describe them. Bought and paid for is more like it.

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  • [–] 10 points 15 hours ago

    They were elected to make change, not keep the status quo. Cowards

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  • [–] 6 points 15 hours ago

    Heaven forbid newly elected congresscritters should actually fix what the voters put them in office to fix.

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  • [–] 6 points 14 hours ago

    Dear Centrist Democrats,

    Nuts to you!

    Sincerely,
    ~me

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  • It sure sounds like our days of primarying shitty centrist assholes are coming to a middle

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    [–] 42 points 12 hours ago (6 children)

    “This is not the time to show how progressive we can be. People need to see us fighting.”

    That's.. That's the same thing

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  • [–] 25 points 11 hours ago (4 children)

    Being anything other than progressive at this point comes off as cowardly and complacent tbh. If you're not left wing, then you're not fighting.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

    Being progressive in the U.S. largely means moving towards what is centrist by European standards anyhow.

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  • [–] -4 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

    In reality, there are various definitions of "progressive". Yours is yours, agreed on by millions, but millions of other people use different definitions.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 hours ago (1 child)

    Each person's views will be slightly different, but 'progressive' in the context of American politics generally implies a platform that includes a support for universal healthcare, free college tuition, universal childcare, LGBTQ+ rights, being pro-immigrant, and anti-billionaire, among other unifying issues. Foreign policy preferences are more likely to vary, but being pro-Palestine and pro-Ukraine are to be generally expected.

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  • [–] 30 points 14 hours ago

    If you think they're going too far then it's time to get out of the way.

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  • [–] 24 points 9 hours ago (1 child)

    Fuck the centrists. They gave us Hillary, and she lost, and then they gave us Harris, and she lost. They're chronic losers, they love it, and they'll never change. CNN reports on them like their opinion matters, because CNN is centrist, too. Meh.

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  • And don't forget that the reason, the ONLY reason Biden won was because of Covid and Trump's mismanagement of it. Without Covid, Trump would have won reelection in 2020. Centrist dems have been a losing brand for three election cycles at this point.

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  • [–] 48 points 14 hours ago (1 child)

    Democrats didn't win yet, Republicans just lost. Democrats have their chance but can absolutely still blow it

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  • [–] 20 points 13 hours ago

    Everything about this fills me with rage. These milquetoasts need to get on board or get out of the way.

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  • [–] 18 points 6 hours ago (4 children)

    Why not? What, specifically is too far and what happens after?

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  • [–] 17 points 11 hours ago

    If there was ever a time to go too far, this is it.

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  • [–] 57 points 14 hours ago

    The corruption of the Democratic party on full display. No wonder they accomplish so little.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 hours ago

    "Be more like the republicans!"

    Bug Bunny "NOO" meme.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 hours ago

    It’s like bosses tell you to ‘look’ like your doing something. WTF I do actually do something, I like doing, I’m not just here to milk money.

    They are telling progressives ‘look’ like we are taking action but don’t change anything. It’s a tactic to keep the grift going.

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  • [–] 9 points 13 hours ago (1 child)

    Aka the red Dems. Or should we say green. Since they only work for bribes.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 hours ago

    "Lazy and corrupt politicians warn that if we do any work now then the poors and plebs will expect more work from us later. And why work when we can do virtually fuck all and get paid shit loads of cash for it?"

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  • [–] 7 points 9 hours ago

    No, see the reason why y'all are chronic losers is you guys don't go far enough and honestly just cowards. Hope you guys have a burn out of your pathetic political career.

    We voted for change and change will come.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 hours ago*

    hakeems, schumer, slotkin, CORY booker, gillibrnd, and dozens of others blatantly on the right needs to go. schumer and hakeem are just lightning rod to protect the rest of the DINOS.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

    not from the US but like... sure a lot of ppl who voted for that party instead of the other one this time are still fairly right wing and will have to cater to the too.

    But that's what happens when you have a 2 party system lol.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 hours ago (1 child)

    Even if you're running the party like it's a cynical numbers game there are two possible scenarios. A. You could try to win more votes by moving to the right and peeling off center-right Republicans. Mostly old people who were proud of being asociated with Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher but ashamed of being associated with Donald Trump and Tommy Robinson. You do this at the expense of losing however many people on the left wing who are barely willing to vote for you now, who if they see your new platform is sucking up to Israel harder, backing the blue, and throwing trans people under the bus, will just stay home.

    B. You could try to win more votes by moving to the left and motivating the mostly young people who currently aren't voting at all because both parties just answer to lobbyists and let billionaires get away with everything and nothing ever happens so what's the point. They will vote for meaningful, structural change. They will vote for whoever comes out as standing for the polar opposite of every single thing conservatives stand for, and promising to fight for it hard.

    You can bet on either path working out- again, even being completely mercenary and strategic and not taking a principled stand on anything. One or the other group of potential voters has to be larger.

    Here's the thing, in my whole life I have only ever seen Democrats- as a party- try doing A. Again and again and again. We have seen 3 decades of results demonstrating how effective a strategy it isn't.

    Might B work better? I don't know, no one does, because they've never once just fucking tried it.

    So I don't believe it is even a strategy at all, not a serious and good-faith one. It's a ruse; an op.

    But the Democrats aren't the only ones doing it. Look around the world, right now everywhere's got some gutless, triangulating, unilaterally-compromising centrist party that's good for business and good for business as usual and polls well with the low-information normies but when it comes down to it they will side with the far-right against the far-left 10 times out of 10.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 hours ago

    They really are quaking in their boots. Guess their owners are really pissed.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

    Grow a pair of balls for fucks sake

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  • [–] 5 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

    it’s not up to the elected to create change

    it’s up to us

    we just needed them in power since the republicans will not listen to public pressure

    but the elected democratics will

    so it’s time to put on the pressure, not to complain about what they say and what we predict they will or won’t do

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  • [–] 9 points 13 hours ago* (1 child)

    Lol this sounds like a similar argument to using paper straws to save the planet. If climate change gets worse its because we as individuals didn't use enough of them. Nevermind about all those corporations spewing out more pollution than we could in a million lifetimes.

    You're already framing an excuse for poor Democratic performance before they've even taken office by claiming that it's our responsibility to make them do a good job despite decades of proof demonstrating that they ignore the electorate just as much as Republicans do.

    This makes a nice double whammy when combined with those arguments from people who claim that criticizing the Democratic party means you must secretly be some Republican operative or working for a Russian disinformation farm. No true Democrat would ever criticize the party for poor performance, so your criticism is disregarded, but when the party performs poorly it's because we didn't criticize them enough.

    The blame always comes back to us and must never be directed at the people who voluntarily ran a campaign to become a representative of the public even when they ignore the public they campaigned to represent. Then 2-4 years later they get kicked out of office for poor performance, and 2-4 years after that we must elect them back into office because of the other party's poor performance. On and on and on it goes...

    Just don't ever think about voting for any party but these two because can you just imagine how badly things might get if one of the two parties that have been running the country into the ground for hundreds of years isn't at the helm? It'd be pandemonium!

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  • [–] 3 points 10 hours ago

    It’s not about blame. it’s about utilizing the system most effectively.

    I think it’s fair to point out when they’re not listening, but we can’t be complacent. We need to guide them. They’re not our leaders, they’re our representation.

    What we’ve got now is because people thought we were done building society, and the system would just work for us. So it was exploited.

    The election was the beginning, not the end.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 hours ago

    If we are nice to the nazis, maybe they won't try again!?

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  • [–] 3 points 7 hours ago

    or they will lose the AIPAC funded money, the MIC laundered money, or they loose industry backed lobbyist money.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 hours ago

    "if we promise too much, then they might expect us to follow through when we're in power"

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  • [–] 2 points 10 hours ago (1 child)

    If they were hanging Trump's Cabinet in the street, slitting their bellies open and strangling them with their own intestines, I might agree that's far enough. And that is no exaggeration.

    After 01/06, I want literal blood, not figurative.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 hours ago

    Uhh.... stfu or you're fired, too!

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    [–] 16 points 15 hours ago

    And by "too far" they mean anything to the left of Reagan.

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  • [–] 8 points 15 hours ago

    Who are these centrist Democrats? Why does their opinion garner so much attention when none of their policies have had any traction for years?

    The DNC/Democratic party needs new blood.

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