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Huawei develops 'entirely Chinese' homegrown desktop PC system — features 10-core, 20-thread Kirin X90 consumer CPU and Huawei's own HarmonyOS operating system, but Western supply chain lingers (www.tomshardware.com)
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[–] 30 points 1 day ago (1 child)

Just like with cars, they will work hard to turn this into a viable alternative within a short timeframe. Once a Chinese laptop running Linux on ARM at comparable performance but half the cost of an american one hits store shelves, it'll be game over.

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    • [–] 14 points 1 day ago (12 children)

    lol who would willingly use Harmony?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago (6 children)

    Who doesnt want an "anti fraud" app running on your devices all the time. Daddy Xi really wants to protect all his beloved children from the evil foreign "scams" by actively monitoring looking out for all under his reign protection!

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  • [–] 4 points 19 hours ago* (1 child)

    At this point, I trust Chinese Tech more than I trust American Tech.

    Open weights, open source contributions, their own supply chains not held at sword point, at the whims of an openly racist and undereducated administration.

    And better at market capitalism than the US is, that's for sure. I would do crimes to have a BYD EV in the garage even if they weren't only $7,000.

    But please, go on telling me about my freedoms about how our country is number one. I can't even turn off the advertisements on this set-top box plugged into my TV.

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  • [–] 4 points 18 hours ago

    If they have fully open source hardware and software/firmware, I actually do not object to it, in fact I'd prefer that regardless of what country made it.

    But for context, I was originally born in China, and later immigrated to the us, so I have a higher skepticism of my former country than most westerners have, and its not because I was trying to be an American nationalist or anything like that.

    But to be honest, at this point I'm not even that worried about privacy, its kinda near dead even in western democracies and most people dont seem to care, lowkey given up on trying to advocate for it. My biggest fear is actually censorship, and I'm not saying that the west wont attempt to push for more censorship too, but China has a bad rap for censorship, I'm leaning slight for anything thats not China (or russia or their allies). Like anyone really. Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Brazil, Mexico, and hopefully a big bloc like EUROPE.

    I'm hoping for European tech honestly. Europe pls start investing more in tech and lead the democratic world! 🙏

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  • [–] 2 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

    So exactly the same thing the tech bro CEOs are doing, except they're doing it to sell all of our information, without any nice words towards our protection.

    China's govt may be shitty, but so are ours. And all of them are doing nearly identical shit to the citizenry. It's so goddamn exhausting.

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  • [–] 2 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

    I have a feeling they'd lock them down and prevent alternate os installs.

    Exhibit A: You can easily find bootloader-unlockable phones in the west (Google, Motorola), and in Europe, even some of the Chinese phonese are bootloader unlockable. But in mainland China, bootloader unlocks are being being heavily restricted.

    Extrapolating from this behavior, its not hard to see them doing the same in the future for personal computers.

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  • [–] 4 points 20 hours ago*

    To be fair those are actively being locked down in the west as well. Google has said as much and has been moving in that direction. Apple already does that and has since day one.

    Extrapolating from there says we end up in the same place, except for us it's CEOs doing it with government backing, and in China's case it's the government telling the tech companies to do it out of the gate.

    Is that really any different?

    The Korean tech companies are doing the same as well if you look at Samsung.

    My point being that you can't trust any western corporation any more than you can trust the Chinese government. None of them are in it for consumers, all of them are using us as pawns in their stupid little fascism game.

    Printer companies do it, network companies have been caught doing all kinds of shit to exfiltrate data. At this stage, the war is already over and the vast majority don't even know one happened at all. We're officially at the stage of "If you didn't build it from scratch yourself, from the natural resources all the way to final product yourself, it cannot and should not be trusted." Sadly the average user isn't even going to notice, let alone rebel against it.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 hours ago

    I have a feeling they'd lock them down and prevent alternate os installs.

    Yea, I don't know why there's a debate on this. Companies in the west try to gain favor by being loss leaders while making others dependent on their tech. Then slowly turn the evil dial. Chinese companies don't seem to give a fuck if you find a root kit in their first release.

    I just hope CCP sees what their open source AI models are doing for their goodwill and try to push their companies in that direction with other stuff. It won't last but we'll at least have some competition.

    They probably won't but one can dream.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 hours ago (2 children)

    I would use it if it let me install third-party apps and let me install any ROM i want.

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    • [–] 6 points 9 hours ago*

    imagine they used RISC-V

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    [–] 5 points 1 day ago (4 children)

    How much for RAM?

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  • [–] 5 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

    16 GB of LPDDR5 memory

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  • [–] 5 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

    Not how many, but how much it cost.

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    • [–] 10 points 1 day ago (4 children)

    Yeah I’ll believe it when I hold it.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    said the armless man

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  • [–] 8 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    Skepticism isn't a disability. Blind faith might be.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago

    I agree with you, being skeptical without proof is healthy. But given that most stuff is made in China and then imported from, its not far fetched to believe this being possible. And this is not something where Ai could have done slop work for them (I hope not).

    I tend to believe this being true, but I'm worried about price to performance, and compatibility. Well, I'm not worried for myself though...

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    • [–] 2 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    How's the graphics card?

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  • [–] 2 points 21 hours ago

    There's no separate graphics card, it's an ARM-based SOC.

    I would not expect it to be anything even remotely special in terms of performance. Enough to drive a display or two, accelerate video and GUI elements, run some light games. It doesn't need to do anything more - and more isn't within the capabilities of Chinese chip manufacturers anyway.

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