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[–] 24 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Two hours is plenty. Never missed a flight and I’ve been on many dozens, unfortunately. If I want to eat, drink, or shop beforehand, pretty much anywhere is cheaper than an airport, so I’ll do it elsewhere.

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  • [–] 16 points 23 hours ago (4 children)

    Once in Seattle I showed up at the airport 3 hours early, didn't realize there was a big game that had gone in the day before, and only baaaarely made it to my flight on time. Wasn't even international.

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  • [–] 4 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

    It can definitely happen, especially in large cities. I suppose I’ve mostly combined luck with my laziness.

    It’s also why I greatly prefer small airports, the smallest of which was literally a single room made of corrugated tin and little else. My flight left half an hour early.

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  • [–] 2 points 20 hours ago (1 child)

    Yeah small airports are great. Where I'm at now the local airport is pretty small, flights only go to/from Stockholm. They're rarely even full I could probably just show up and grab a ticket like a fancy bus half an hour before takeoff. Sometimes there is a little stall selling local honey that's just honor system nobody operates it and there isn't any camera or anything just a wooden table and a paper with payment info lol

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  • [–] 44 points 23 hours ago (24 children)

    Shit like this is why I avoid flying wherever possible. Such a miserable experience. I yearn for the day they finally somehow build that train tunnel across the Atlantic.

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  • [–] 30 points 23 hours ago (20 children)

    This is also why travelling by train can often be overall faster than plane, despite the train being slower. The station is in the middle of the city, no security check, the platforms are closer to the street, etc.

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  • [–] 9 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

    unless you're in the US riding Amtrak. it's never not been delayed for me, frequently by several hours

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  • [–] 12 points 23 hours ago (15 children)

    If the two locations are close maybe, but most of the time I would say theyre not remotely as fast.

    You can fly from New York to LA in 6 hours. On a train it would take like 3 days

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  • [–] 7 points 21 hours ago* (8 children)

    Only because US train system is biased toward freight.

    Not complaining, it is what it is.

    That said, I don't see any pragmatic way to build passenger high-speed rail across the US. Every state would want it to run for them - otherwise they won't support it. Then every city, etc.

    Edit: for straight shots (point-to-point) across vast distances I don't see train ever matching planes (like NY to LA)

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  • [–] 9 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

    The US rail network is already kind of a disaster. A lot of major cities don't even have passenger rail stations at all. There are entire STATES that don't have a single amtrack station lol.

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  • [–] 4 points 18 hours ago* (1 child)

    It would be most feasible to have like three high speed rails in the US. Up and down both coasts, and then east coast to west coast through the midwest, Denver, SLC etc.

    That alone would be enough to replace a ton of car and plane trips, even if it didn’t provide service everywhere

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  • [–] 4 points 16 hours ago

    We can't even build a single HSR line anywhere in the US

    We're a long ways away from being able to even think about trans-continental HSR

    We simply do not have the competence to do it

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  • [–] 1 point 3 hours ago (2 children)

    NYC to LA is 4000km, so a dead straight non stop rail route operating at the current peak of high speed rail (200mph) would still take 12 hours. As soon as you pick a real route and stops and account for that speed being unrealistically expensive you're looking at over 24h I think.

    The annoying thing is that rail infrastructure is also expensive to maintain.

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  • [–] 11 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (4 children)

    Depends on what type of train it is. A passenger aeroplane travels around 800 km/hr, a 'typical' train about 150-200.

    However, the highest average speed of a commercial train is reached by the Fuxing, which goes 320 km/hr, enabling to go from Beijing to Nanjing (1,020 km) in 3.2 hours. The Shanghai maglev used to go faster, about 430 km/hr. So a train can certainly be faster than a plane on mid-long distances if we take pre-flight time into account.

    An experimental Maglev, the L0 Series, managed to go 600 km/hr. At that speed, you're honestly directly competing with planes at long distances.

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  • [–] 12 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

    Meanwhile Amtrak trains: 74mph, unless you're on the Acela, then top is 150mph.

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  • [–] 4 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

    Try closer to 30 average. Most rail isn't rated for above 50 outside the Northeast Corridor, and you're also pausing for hours at a time sometimes because freight rail gets priority treatment.

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  • [–] 2 points 12 hours ago* (1 child)

    Not sure, and actually I think passenger gets priority, but there's so few compared to freight it porb leans that way..

    I still FUCKING LOVE Amtrak.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 hours ago

    Legally passenger gets priority, however to increase the already disgusting profit margins and decrease capital expenditures (why spend on infrastructure when you can pay dividends and do stock buybacks), they have been running longer and longer trains without increasing the length of sidings so when a passenger train wants to pass a 2 mile long freight train, there's literally nowhere the freight train can go to allow it to pass.

    The DoT could fine the railroads each time they do that until they either run shorter trains or build the appropriate sidings, but they choose not to.

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  • [–] 17 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

    There is no way in the name of all that is good and holy in this fucking world I'm getting in a 3000 mile tunnel under the ocean.

    Would it be any less safe than flying? Probably not. But for some reason I would rather fall out of the sky and die than be crushed and drown.

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  • [–] 7 points 19 hours ago

    Honestly it probably would be way less safe because the network of pumps and fans and whatnot that would be needed to keep that tunnel both DRY and oxygenated would be insane. I'm also pretty sure the trains would need to be built like submarines to prevent the atmosphereic pressure from crushing them? Or maybe the tunnel? It honestly seems like an engineering nightmare.

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  • [–] 3 points 18 hours ago

    If it were built at all, which it won't be, a tunnel collapsing under the sea would be one of the most instantaneous deaths you could ask for. Like that billionaire tourist sub at the Titanic. Immediately crushed and gone.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 day ago

    I aim to get there ridiculously early, and have a beer or coffee while I wait. There have been times when the airport train was cancelled, so I want to know that I have time to use an alternative route.

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  • [–] 14 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

    I've never flown in the US; I live in the EU and generally aim for 2 hours if I have checked baggage, 1.5 hours if not. That usually causes me to still have significant waiting time after the security check, but better safe than sorry.

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  • [–] 8 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 child)

    Airport and airline dependent. I’ve waited an hour and a half to check my car seat for a budget airline.

    TSA are equal opportunity haters and don’t care if you got to the airport two hours ago and your flight is in 30 minutes. They tell you to get in their line 2 hours before your flight and by god sometimes they are gonna make you wait two hours.

    Edit: oh yeah also waited an hour becuase my budget airline wouldn’t let me print boarding passes and said “see agent” but didn’t staff any agents. Turns out they want to make sure your one year old is actually a baby and you’re not just a cheapskate trying to hold a twelve year old in your lap.

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  • [–] 14 points 20 hours ago

    My dad almost had a heart attack when I told him my flight was in 2 hours. Check in ended up taking 30 minutes and then I just waited for my flight.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    On my way out, from my normal airport, I've got it timed pretty well so that I leave my house 90 minutes from boarding and I'm through security with 15-30 minutes to spare.

    On my way back, from the scary unknown airport, I like to arrive at least 2 hours before boarding, because who knows what kind of crazy hoops you're going to have to jump through.

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  • [–] 6 points 21 hours ago

    I used to live in a place with a terrible airport, so I was conditioned to arrive 2 hours earlier for domestic and 3 hours for international. You can arrive an hour before at my local airport where I am now, but big events in the city seriously mess it up so I’ve stuck with my usual 2 hours.

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  • [–] 2 points 16 hours ago

    Same. Every time I get to the airport I’m in a state of sheer panic that this time I pushed it too far, and every time I invariably end up waiting at the gate for a while thinking “I could have come half an hour later.”

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  • [–] 44 points 1 day ago

    Given that your dad had to pay for the plane tickets and probably won't get any refund if you miss it, and flying is fucking expensive, I side with your dad on this.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Once me and my wife discovered the magic of airport lounge bars, we appreciate the time before departure.

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  • [–] 7 points 14 hours ago (1 child)

    fun fact, the four hour figure comes from average wait times during a rush at LAX and then, for some reason, got applied to every airport at all times.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 hours ago*

    It saved my ass in Incheon when I went to the wrong terminal, spent 30 minutes walking around, had to spend 30 minutes on a bus going to the correct one, spent 30 minutes in line, then got delayed by another 30 minutes at check-in due to visa concerns, it was close enough they put me in the priority lane for security and I got to the gate literally as soon as my section was boarding.

    It's a well-managed airport, it's just too damn big.

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  • [–] 7 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

    They actually only starts check in 4 hours prior to the flight. Don't ask me how I know, I don't have a life.

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  • [–] 7 points 14 hours ago (1 child)

    I live in a small town on an island with 8k people in it that has its own international airport. I arrive an hour before if I have checked bags, drop bags off, go home, pick up the family, drop them off at the airport, drop the car off next door at my work, walk back to the airport, walk through security and board the plane.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 hours ago (1 child)

    I'm sure I sold my soul to the devil, but I did TSA PRE and CLEAR. I spend maybe 5 min going through security.

    My soul wasn't doing much anyway, but MAN is it nice to just breeze through without waiting.

    Then I am in boarding group 38 where you are not allowed to carry anything more than your feelings onto the plane and your seat is behind the toilet. You have to get up every time someone wants to take a shit. I ain't paying SHIT for a seat upgrade, fuck that.

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  • [–] 6 points 22 hours ago

    As early as my wife will allow. Hurry up and wait is just how life is to me and I have no issue sitting in a chair patiently... My wife does not feel the same and I'm okay with that, we understand how each other feels so we just leave when she says it's okay lol.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 day ago

    I'll rather spend couple hours there drinking than be late

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  • [–] 4 points 18 hours ago

    What the hell are you talking about? They say 2 hours, not 4.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago

    Dad: “Spend the previous night in the airport just in case of a freak storm that morning.”

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  • [–] 5 points 22 hours ago (1 child)

    In Denmark, the official recommendation is 2h, most people do 60-90 minutes, and it seems to work fine.

    Granted, the airports here tend to be significantly smaller and the people fewer, but I still say that better organization (AKA optimizing more for user experience rather than 100% only for squeezing every penny out of everyone) and less understaffing are crucial factors as well.

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  • [–] 5 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

    I like to get there about 45 minutes before the flight. Usually the only thing the ticket agent will say to you is "run"... I am not a big fan of small talk or waiting.

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  • [–] 0 points 19 hours ago

    Huh, we always get to the airport 45 minutes before, at one of the largest airports in the world, and no one ever says that. 45 minutes is plenty of time to get to your flight on time. People that get there several hours before are just wasting a lot of time.

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  • [–] 5 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

    I prefer to get to the airport plenty early. I always have a book with me so I can just hang out and read without stressing about time.

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  • [–] 5 points 19 hours ago

    45-60 minutes before boarding. The only reason to get there earlier is if you fly at dumb hours like really early in the morning or really late at night.

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  • [–] 5 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

    The airport won't take luggage less than 45 minutes before the flight so that's when I check in.

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  • [–] 4 points 16 hours ago (1 child)

    Some won't let you check-in less than 45 minutes before your flight (or 60 for international). Only time I've missed a flight was because of that

    Completely dead airport, got there 45 minutes before my flight, ended up missing the 45 minute check-in window by a couple minutes

    They changed me to the next flight for free, and I just ended up having to wait around for a couple hours

    This is out of thousands of flights the only time I've missed one. I usually plan to get there 60 minutes before my flight

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  • [–] 5 points 10 hours ago

    Crackpot tinfoil hat time: TSA telling you to be there so early when it almost never takes that long to get through security is a conspiracy by the airport stores to get you to eat, drink, and shop more than you otherwise would if you timed it better.

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  • [–] 4 points 23 hours ago

    Had one time we were going to meet a friend before heading to the airport. A semi caught fire and shut the interstate down for a few hours in both directions. We didn’t see our friend but we made our flight, it was a bit close though

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  • [–] 3 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 child)

    Shout out to fucking Air Canada for keeping me standing in line for ages and then locking out all check-ins 2 hours before flight time without doing reschedules or refunds. Fuck you very much guys. If you're travelling Air Canada I would definitely recommend getting there 4+ hours before.

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  • Look up wait times the night before, do what the googs tells me.

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  • [–] 3 points 23 hours ago

    I'm terrified of flying, so this doesn't concern me at all. Happy enough in mainland Europe, and when I need to travel to the UK or Ireland, I enjoy a cozy ferry trip.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 hours ago

    If I don't have checked in luggage I usually do one hour before take off.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 hours ago

    On our recent trip home we were stood in the check in queue for two whole hours while nothing moved due to some problem with border control. The airline barely said anything about it, and when most other desks had cleared their queues ours had still barely moved. Ugh. But they did tell us that the flight wouldn't be leaving without us.

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  • [–] 2 points 17 hours ago

    As someone who had a dad with undiagnosed ADHD, I had the opposite problem (he refused mental health treatment because he was a Boomer). We were always late to everything. And because he was a Narcissist too it was always everyone else's fault.

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  • [–] 3 points 19 hours ago

    This is why you buy lounges

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  • [–] 3 points 21 hours ago

    I've been through a small handful of airports in North America. Definitely far from the most traveled, but I'd guess more traveled than the average person. I've never spent more than an hour getting through security and getting to my gate, even in quite busy times.

    Four hours to me seems like quite antiquated advice. The security process alone has been really streamlined in the last ten or so years.

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