Continue to kick ass Montana!
— Things I had no idea I would be typing when I woke up this morning
Continue to kick ass Montana!
— Things I had no idea I would be typing when I woke up this morning
Great choice and now all states do the same, ranked choice voting too!
Ranked Choice is a slight improvement over our current system, but it was first invented in 1785 and has some inherent flaws. Flaws that can be exploited by bad actors to subvert elections.
May I suggest STAR. It was designed in 2014, and makes it much harder to subvert an election.
I disagree on the improvement being slight. Having incentive to campaign cooperatively because second choices count could dramatically change political culture. And Australia has used ranked choice for a century, without becoming any hotbed of subversion.
Further, RCV has a foothold in the US Alaska (pending surviving the latest repeal initiative on yesterday's state ballots), Maine, and many cities. It's much more realistic to spread it than to start from scratch with something else.
I say very slight because of the many, many, glaring flaws of the system.
The fact that it does not eliminate the spoiler effect is a major one.
All it does is kick the spoiler effect down the road a bit. It eliminates the also ran candidates. As soon as a third party candidate actually becomes halfway viable, the spoiler effect kicks in harder than ever and skews the election the other way.
And FairVote (the assholes who keep pushing a broken system) know this.
The simplest argument against RCV is thus, the current US primary system followed by a General election functions nearly identically to a version of RCV capped at two rounds.
You can’t just call those “glaring flaws” when it has a proven track record in the real world.
Let's look at that track record.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-negative_responsiveness#Specific_examples
Three massive, and provable failures that flipped an election due to a spoiler candidate. The very thing RCV claims to prevent.
There's a reason why Condorcet only used his version of RCV as an example of a system that could not reliably produce the pairwise winner.
Then about 50 years later an Englishman reinvents the system but for multiple winner elections. Then later another Englishman strips out the multi-winner part and we're back to the same system described in Condorcet's 1785 Essai sur l'application de l'analyse à la probabilité des décisions rendues à la pluralité des voix.
Translated that's Essay on the Application of Analysis to the Probability of Majority Decisions.
I have no interest in making third parties viable. I see the governance failures of parliamentary systems that fail to form majority governments and spend all their energy fighting each other instead of improving the lives of their citizens, and I don't want that here.
What I hope for from RCV are 1)making the major parties more representative, by providing high-quality information on what single-issue parties are appealing to voters. Currently parties do polling and focus groups, but these are by nature small samples that can be misleading, and a full-voter sample would be hugely valuable in guiding party strategy in the way voters want. And 2)reduce negativity in campaigns, and hopefully bleeding over into less negativity in governance. The whole campaign ecosystem is intensely negative because it works for winning FPTP. Creating a structural incentive to have some positivity - making second choices count - has the potential to encourage bipartisan work (who wants to co-sponsor a bill with someone who media blitzed horrendous lies about you and your family?) and ultimately make government work better for the people.
Well, it fails at number 1. Flat out.
And it also fails number 2.
All while introducing new failure conditions.
RCV is a bad system. We're already doing a version of it more isn't a fix, it's just more complexity to an already broken system.
The actual way to get the very things you want are with Cardinal voting systems like STAR.
This is the kind of ballot measures that should be put to more states. When there's direct democracy about single issues people are very progressive. Removing corporate cash from elections will be something everyone can get behind.
Instead states like Arizona fill the ballot with hateful anti trans measures. And my state just wants to hurt the poor and immigrants even more with "amendments to save america". All written by Republicans of course.
Color me pessimistic and mostly a dumbass but how will this stop things? Like people can still donate. It just won't be anonymous (and even by the letter of the bill that's kind of up in the air too). But will that stop anything? As we've already seen, tons of billionaires don't really give a crap if everyone knows they donated a bajillion dollars to stop puppies and kittens from getting free food. They're still doing it and still making a huge difference in politics.
I guess I just don't see a huge difference in changing a campaign donation from "Bill's Furniture Emporium donated $3 million to Carl Ass' campaign fund" to "the ceo of Bill's Furniture Emporium donated $3 million to Carl Ass' campaign fund"
I think this is definitely a step in the right direction but I don't think this is the crippling blow to oligarchy some people seem to think it is
Its not a panacea but a step in the right direction. The rich and powerful have always had an out sized influence on American democracy but after citizens united its been much more. Any steps to curb it will be useful, especially at the state level since it is usually easier than national level. But at this point it might even happen at the national level. It isn't a cure all but a step in the right direction
Nice! Now that the proof of concept has been doubly established, everyone needs to do this.
Hawaii I think?
Moore noted that the initiative passed by Montana is similar to a law passed in Hawaii earlier this year that classified corporations as “artificial persons” who do not have a constitutional right to make political donations.
(from the article)
It does also limit the ability of Unions and nonprofits to help with campaigns, but I guess that's fine, because the vast majority of union dues is used to fund political campaigns, and if they're not allowed to do that anymore, union dues may not keep rising.
I'm ok with limiting union and nonprofit contributions too. Those are just more workaround avenues for billionaire money at the end of the day.
This amplifies the effect of every individual voter's dollar in the race tenfold. And THAT matters way more.
Unions also generally have access to more individual donors that are willing to have their donations at least partially directed by the organization.
The "dark money" PACs are usually formed because some rich person(s) want(s) to wield more power than they can by directly convincing other individuals to direct their donations, even when they (illegally) offer to and do reimburse other individuals for their donations.
When you are having to funnel donations via individuals (legally or not), the number of individuals often matters more than the amount of available funding. (And, that's a good thing, even for unions.)
We also kept State Supreme Court elections nonpartisan (I-132) which I like. Largely because that particular initiative sprung from Republican groups whining about "activist" judges.
We even managed to avoid electing only assholes to state and federal office. It's mostly assholes. But it's not all assholes.
I mean, fucking duh. Who the fuck among normal people votes for money IN politics??? I'll never understand humans.
Here comes the supremos to equate money with speech.
“A yes vote on I-194 means that only real people—not corporations, unions, trade associations, nonprofits, or groups with anonymous donors—are allowed to spend money in Montana elections,”
Wait, but that doesn't stop CEOs and Billionaires from just donating personally? I suppose it will be more transparent this way at the very least though. Also, I'll admit I'm pretty economically illiterate so I could simply just not understand, lol
This is a feel-good measure that is easily circumvented, an 8-year-old lemonade stand owner could get around it.
There's only one solution, a general fund that bOtH pArTiEs use to run campaigns. If you run of money, well, that means you suck, pay for it out of pocket, you hacks. You don't have a problem trading stocks to make a fortune, figure it out.
But corp money will still make its way into the discourse via SuperPACs, won't it.
This is a good step....but not enough
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