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[–] 58 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Tldr? Why do we need 6g anyway? What is the benefit supposed to be? Not higher transfer speeds I hope. We need modes with better support for low power and weak signals. For low power, 2G is superior to everything that came after it.

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  • [–] 46 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Tldr: different countries wanna do 6g differently. Actually a big problem is the big beautiful bill that just passed in the US. Wifi6e/7 6ghz spectrum that was reserved for wifi got approved to get auctioned off. But it's already a global standard. If us cell cariers buy it up and use it to make faster 6g cell speeds (short distance very high speed). That's going to fragment standards globally.

    Cell carriers don't currently use anywhere near all their spectrum they already own.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Wifi6e/7 6ghz spectrum that was reserved for wifi got approved to get auctioned off

    I don't think that's exactly right. Spectrum that's already reserved for unlicensed use (wifi) was explicitly excluded from the auction directive.

    There may be some spectrum in that band that's not already reserved for wifi yet that will end up auctioned, though.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)
  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago*

    The act itself still appears to include the language excluding wifi spectrum.

    Certain frequencies used primarily by the Department of Defense and unlicensed devices, including Wi-Fi, are excluded from auction eligibility

    EDIT: Unless that only protected sub-6 wifi frequencies...

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I was so disappointed going from LTE to 5G and realizing the speed difference is minimal. I was so hopeful it would be mega faster! Going from gigabit at home to mobile speeds is sad.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Same. I kinda wonder if it’s saturation… when 5G was first announced and I happened to be in one of the first cities with it on a business trip, and I happen to have just bought a new phone that had it and it was AMAZING. Sites were snappy, it was like I was on my personal wifi.

    Ever since it became more widespread, I can rarely tell a difference between LTE and 5G and honestly, If anything, my phone is slower when I see the 5G icon.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    5g is fine (not great, but fine) on my phone until I get millimeter wave. The mw in the HEB parking lot down the street is amazing. If I get into the city proper it's a crapshoot if I am able to get on the Internet.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Thing is, there are two different types of 5G. 5G NSA is using 5G, but on the same 4G network resulting in little to no speed change. And then there's 5G SA, the one you actually want but probably isn't deployed anywhere outside major cities if that.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    this is just personal experience but IIRC I seemed to have much better power consumption with 4G/LTE over anything before. 5G/5G+ is good too but that is likely with recent buildout in my area. Weak signal support I have a hard time gauging as the phone bounces back to LTE where I seem to still have good 5G service.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago

    This article is from 2023.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I don't have any G's where I live. Could we maybe just try to get everyone/everywhere at least basic coverage first?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The thing with new Gs is that they recognized and try to improve that situation. 5G for example includes low-frequency bands that allow to cover much more area with one tower, making it more feasible for less populated areas.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    most consumers data plan isn't even allowed to reach 4G speeds, at least where I live in europe. the only "advantage" of 5G is more capacity for smartshit, and internet connected cars that upload live video footage from their like 4 cameras everywhere they go like a mobile surveillance station.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago

    Please god let europe and the asian countries pick the chinese standard and leave the US sitting on its own it would be so fucking funny.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    6G works in Europe and Asia. We barely have consistent 5g in the US and are looking to go back to dial up.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    I still don't have 5G in my area.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    National dominance of technology is bad for people, because Sovereigns want control and slavery over people. People benefit from cheap tech advance access, without any trickle down from the nationality of who profits.

    5g equipment is all made in China, regardless of parent company ownership. There is no, afaik, extra surveillance powers compared to 4g equipment. Much of the speed/latency boosts of 5g futurism applications remains unpenetrated. I don't know of a 6g benefit that 5g didn't promise.

    Instead of pretending that national security is for benefit of national subjects, communications protocols should focus on end to end encryption with supporting hardware, and include middleware encryption/decryption to add controlled layers to protect privacy additionally from rival intelligence interests.

    In the end, consumers need to trust google or apple to some level, but open source, and different open source applications on top of the OS.

    This outcome is impossible when CIA and other intelligence agencies are part of the standards process influence, but technical only protocols that ignore the oppression by default political context, support the oppression by default standards process.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Honestly - how much bandwidth and speeds do we really need? I'm optimistic over things like Briar.

    I think maybe meshnets over LoRa and such are going to become more common for communication. Right now it's agriculture, hiking and doomsday devices, but maybe they will become more popular.

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  • No one has full 5G yet, not our problem

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Welp, it was fun while it lasted...

    Now all international travelers will have to go back to the early 00s method of buying burner phones and calling cards to be able to make a call.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    No! It'll start a new pandemic!!!! /s

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    [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    6G already wtf? Are we gonna have to perfectly align our phones with the cell towers then and get 0 connectivity if we’re off by a degree or two?

    Also love this snippet:

    To serve faster and more precisely, 6G will use more radio frequency bandwidth, require specialized computer chips and employ artificial intelligence.

    This kinda reads like they’re gonna AI generate data as we download things. Like frame generation but for packets.

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