One number, zero privacy?

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[–] 34 points 3 days ago (9 children)

And they're probably making mistakes too. It's amazing how many data merges happen out there that result in wrong data. Not too long ago my credit card company sent me a new card overnight because of fraud, but they didn't send it to me, they sent it to a family member of my ex wife's. I've been divorced over 20 years now and I never even lived there. But the CC company decided to merge their data with other data and fucked up somewhere along the way.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 days ago (7 children)

    the amount of money they make despite the fuck ups guarantee that they'll keep doing it anyways

    source: i used to work for one of these companies.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 days ago (6 children)

    I always laugh when people tell me that businesses are naturally efficient. They clearly have not worked for large companies. Or they are sleepwalking through life, seeing only what they want to see, like far too many people.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 days ago (4 children)

    they're efficient until not doing so majorly inconveniences you specifically

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  • [–] 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    No. As a consultant I've seen hundreds of businesses. There's a ton of inefficiency. Check out David Graeber's book, "Bullshit Jobs". He details a lot of inefficiencies throughout the whole system. It's a real eye opener.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 days ago

    My phone number still shows up on android phones as a hooker who used to have this number. I have never been able to fix it. Google doesn’t care. And now that the Johns have been chased of by an unexpected daddy’s mad voice, it’s just an inside joke for my friends.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 days ago

    how to stop them

    stock android is still plenty usable without google accounts.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 days ago

    Using Google services and being concerned about privacy is like asking an arsonist to guard your property from fires.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 days ago

    Quick, everyone update you're phone number to 111-111-1111

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  • [–] 6 points 2 days ago (3 children)

    ... So dont use mobile phones?

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  • [–] 0 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    No, mobile phones are fine. Just never put a Sim card in them, and leave them in airplane mode at all times.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 days ago (12 children)

    Unfortunately many providers have MFA procedures that require a phone number.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 days ago (11 children)

    so far I've been able to get around that with the method Michael Bazzell describes in his book:

    1. buy a prepaid card, this comes with a carrier phone number (cash, in store if possible)

    2. transfer the prepaid number to a VOIP service

    3. the number, having been created for carrier service, does not fall into the VOIP generated set, meaning (so far, anyway) MFA and other services requiring a 'real' number do not turn this away, even if it is currently a VOIP number.

    repeat/rotate as necessary

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  • [–] 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    Brilliant. What provider do you recommend for VoIP? And how much does it cost?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago (1 child)

    I don't recommend any, to be honest. the ones I've tried all have quirks that make them annoying to use, so unfortunately I haven't settled on one I can recommend. that said, $5 USD per number per month is very much the high end you should expect, you can get decent results for much cheaper.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 days ago (4 children)

    I'm not sure this is much different in the end... they have a different number linking all your accounts, but they're still all associated with one person... you. I don't see how it matters if it's a cell or voip #.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago

    for me the primary motivator is to stay off of cell to avoid cell tower triangulation. the service I use right now actually doesn't even need a 'host' cell number. also, newer phones have multiple eSIM slots that you can rotate easily with the method I describe above, allowing you to further containerize your personas.

    its different depending on what you're trying to accomplish. if you're trying to hide from the government, good luck. if you're trying to make it so Walmart and Amazon have no shared information on you, that's very achievable

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago (2 children)

    It is difference. Sim cards can push arbitrary remote code execution to your device from towers.

    That gap makes a huge difference

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago (1 child)

    I'm replying to you because you sound like you know a lot about it. I have Google Fi service with an "eSim". It can't possibly be true that a Sim card is better than an eSim, can it? An eSim is total vapor. I have to beg Google Fi to turn it in or transfer it. At least a Sim can be transferred manually. So if Sim is no bueno, and an eSim is no bueno, then what, pray tell, is the 3rd option here? Is there some much better option that busy "normies" can choose?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago (1 child)

    How long does said number last/stay valid? This is all fascinating as I'd never heard nor read of this before. Would you be willing to go into more detail, like naming such VOIP services, etc.?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago

    I've been doing this for about a year now and have run into no issues with the numbers I transfer from carriers. more and more the pure VOIP numbers are not working.

    I won't go into recommending any, for reasons I describe in another comment in this thread. I will however not recommend VoIP.ms, they wanted me to do a facial scan and when I refused completely blocked access to my account with no appeal.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 days ago (3 children)

    How else do you receive calls?

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  • 8 comments in c/privacy@lemmy.world view that post
    [–] 26 points 3 days ago (5 children)

    Step 1: Open the Settings app, tap on Google (or Google services), then switch to the All services tab. Navigate to Phone number verification under the Privacy and security section and toggle off Verify phone numbers automatically.

    According to some of our readers, disabling phone number verification doesn’t persist; the toggle is back on after a while. I haven’t encountered this situation, but let’s hope future fixes ensure that no one runs into issues with their preferred settings. Phone number verification interface in Google settings

    Step 2: If you want to perform a phone number audit, tap your Google Account profile in the same interface (which shows your name, email address, and profile photo), then select Manage your Google Account. You can also go to myaccount.google.com on your phone or computer to do the same.

    Select Personal info and remove any phone numbers that are not yours or not in use. On the Phone number interface, check whether your phone number is linked to devices you don’t recognize and remove them. "This is an opportunity to audit all your sync settings and subscriptions."

    Step 3 (optional): As you’re at it, take a quick look at the other sections to review your sign-in sessions in Security and sign-in, manage app data sharing in Linked apps, and so on. It’s optional, but this is an opportunity to audit all your sync settings and subscriptions. Google account passkeys interface

    Step 4 (optional): You can switch from SMS 2FA to Google Authenticator or passkeys to reduce the risks of SMS-based attacks. To do this, in the Security and Sign in interface, tap 2-Step Verification and set up Google Authenticator or Passkeys following the on-screen instructions.

    Step 5 (advanced): To completely separate your Google accounts, you can set up multiple users on a single device — but note that this is for security enthusiasts. With automatic phone number verification disabled, this step provides additional protection by isolating one account’s digital footprint from another’s, reducing the risk of future cross-account attacks.

    To do this on a Pixel, navigate to Settings > System > Multiple users, turn on Allow multiple users, and tap on Add user to set it up.

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  • [–] 31 points 3 days ago (3 children)

    Once they have the data its over. You cant un-collect data in this day and age. There is no assurance that it isn't retained and sold, legally or illegally. I don't care about changing settings. If its a default setting, it is too late to opt out, they already have done it.

    We need a digital bill of rights. We need a digital bill of rights. We need a goddamn digital bill of rights for our modern age that was inconceivable when the constitution was written.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    we will not get that until we kill a few tech billionaires and their families. then do a lot of lobbying.

    and if we've killed a few, there's no reason to jot kill the rest and fullybliberate our shit.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago (1 child)

    This is kinda how socialist/communist revolutions go, btw ;). A reminder that Cuba was successful until the USA fucked everything.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    Let’s be real, we’ve known since the late 2010s phone numbers were a major risk to privacy and anonymity on the Internet.

    People ignored it out of convenience.

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  • All the more reason to use forums, fediverse services like Lemmy and Mastodon and private e2ee e-mail services. If you want to paid e-mail account benefits make sure the service lets you mail in cash. Fuck big tech. Good news is that, I'm logged in here on Lemmy and it's way faster than Reddit as it doesn't have all the overhead of ads and tracking scripts.

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  • 2 comments in c/privacy@programming.dev view that post
    [–] 2 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    They shouldn't be doing this but if you're running Android it shouldn't be surprising

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

    Google Play Service Google Search Google Maps/Standort Dienste Youtube Gmail Google Ads/Google AdSense Firebase Google Analytics QUIC Browser Fingerprinting Family and friends who use Android and have your number saved in their contacts.

    So you think it's mostly driven by Android? Google or rather, Alphabet has a much broader reach.

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  • 1 comment in c/privacy@lemmy.dbzer0.com view that post
    [–] 8 points 3 days ago

    reminder not to take the bait of linking your phone at stores for 'benefits'

    yall already knew this but it's nice to say anyways

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