They call it "dark traffic" - ads that are not seen by tech-savvy users who have excellent ad blockers.

Not surprised that its growing. The web is unusable without an ad blocker and its only getting worse, and will continue to get worse every month.

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[–] 419 points 1 year ago (26 children)

The trade body called it “illegal circumvention technology”

Lol. Fuck off.

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  • [–] 236 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Once the data enters my network it's my fucking data and I can do with it what I please.

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  • [–] 170 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Likewise, I can prevent anything from even entering my network that I don't want on it.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago

    Unless it’s intellectual property that belongs to the movie industry. Then you better not touch it. Or that’s illegal.

    But if it’s advertisements, then you have to watch it, or that’s illegal.

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  • [–] 46 points 1 year ago*

    The O.G. add blocker.

    1000029610

    The concept is close to the same, how could something like this be seen as “illegal circumvention technology”?

    It just shows us how disconnected the people in these positions can be that are regulating these things.

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  • [–] 61 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    And this is exactly why Google did away with Manifest v2 (what uBlock runs on) and why they wanted to introduce their “web integrity” standard. At that point the pages would be signed with ads and in the signature didn’t match the page wouldn’t even be shown.

    They tried to play it off as “ensuring that you truly get the correct copy of the page and no bad hackers have intercepted it” but really it would have 100% forced ads.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    To think that Google once had ads that I considered OK, just a bunch of text and links. How times have changed...

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Advertisers will always keep pushing things trying to find the limit where people will just barely tolerate it. Then when they push it too far they cry "no fair!" When people stop putting up with it.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    Then I guess I'm not looking at those pages. No skin off my nose. That said, Firefox with Ublock Origin plus a couple of other ad-blockers seems to be working pretty well for me. Anything with a paywall, I just move on.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Then I guess I'm not looking at those pages. No skin of my nose.

    That works until every website starts doing it.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I use Mullvad's VPN and DNS on a router level. Every device on my network is blanketed by it. Some services don't work, but I am willing to sacrifice their profits for my integrity. Thus, to them I say 然らば fuckmothers.

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  • [–] [S] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    They wont be happy until eye tracking technology makes sure we sit and watch their fucking ads before the actual content appears.

    I mean, none of this is getting better. Its only going to become worse. I have ads in the fucking pause screen on my streaming tv app. So if I want to take a toilet break, I get an ad in my face. Its just so ridiculous.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    What most of these people don't get is if they didn't get so invasive with those ads, people would not have to resort to ad blockers. Be it tho shut up the ads every few seconds on YouTube or having to play whack-a-mole every time I read an article, eventually you run out of patience and say "enough!"

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  • [–] 322 points 1 year ago* (14 children)

    I used the internet for a long time before ad blockers even existed. Everybody simply ignored ads, instead. But that wasn't good enough for the advertisers. They weren't happy unless we were forced to look at the ads. Extraordinarily obtrusive ads. Popup ads. Popunder ads. That's when people started blocking ads. When you realized that your browser always ended up with 20 extra advertising windows.

    Nobody really cared about blocking ads until advertisers forced us to. They made the internet annoying to use, and sometimes impossible to use.

    Advertisers couldn't just be happy with people ignoring their ads, so they forced our hands and fucked themselves in the process. Now, we block them by default. I don't even know any websites that have unobtrusive ads because I never see their ads in the first place.

    Now, they want to go back to the time when we would see their ads but ignore them. Fuck off. We know we can't even give them that much. If you give them an inch, they'll take a mile.

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  • [–] 91 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    the big turning point I remember was a combo of popups and interstitial ads

    Popups we all know and hate as they still exist and are disgusting. They were obviously gross and ate up ram and stole focus and shit

    But the interstitial ads were also gross. You’d click a link and then get redirected to an ad for 10 seconds and then redirected to content. Or a forum where the first reply was replaced with an ad that was formatted to look like a post

    Like adblocking was a niche thing prior to the advertising industry being absolute scumbags. The original idea that allowing advertising to support free services like forums and such wasn’t horrible, put a banner ad up, maybe a referral link, etc. but that was never enough for the insidious ad industry. Like every other domain they’ve touched (television, news, nature, stores, cities, clothing, games, sports, literally everything a human being interacts with).

    The hardline people that blocked banner ads way back when and loudly complained allowing advertising in any capacity on the internet would ruin everything were correct. We all groaned because no one wanted to donate to cover the hosting bills (which often turned out to be grossly inflated on larger sites by greedy site operators looking to make bank off their community) but we should have listened

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    The turning point for me is when banner ads added sounds. I would tolerate and ignore the flashing lights and the fake "games", but then I encountered one that any time my mouse went over top of it an emoji screamed "HELOOOOOOOOO!!!" at me and I couldn't download an ad blocker fast enough.

    It's never enough for these assholes unless they have all of your attention all of the time.

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  • [–] 62 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    The main clencher that got me running a blocker were the few sites whose payload was 90% ad related and as long as the page was open it kept feeding me more ads until a gigabyte of RAM and 5% of my CPU were dedicated to something I wasn't even looking at.

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  • [–] 56 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Ex was mad that my PiHole was blocking some FB stuff so I turned it off.

    "The internet's slow."

    Looked over her shoulder and pointed to her (still loading) screen:

    "Ad, ad, ad, ad, ad, ad, ad, ad..."

    "FINE! Turn it back on!"

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Don’t date stupid people. Incentivize intelligence.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I know surgeons who can’t start a zoom call. Being uneducated in a particular area is not stupidity. If you avoid dating someone over their lack of adtech knowledge, I would assume they are the one that dodged a bullet.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    adtech is nothing new or exotic. We have been dealing with this shit for years. if they still do not have a very basic knowledge of it by now, that's not a great sign.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Unix and lawnmowers are nothing new or exotic either. I’m not stupid for not knowing how to repair a lawnmower, and I wouldn’t presume you’re stupid just because I can run circles around you at the command line.

    I would, however, question your intelligence if you lack the ability to perceive the reasons behind different people knowing different things. It’s not that complicated.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Oh I’m fully aware people can specialize their intelligence, focusing so much on some areas they neglect others and fall behind. However, that’s also a choice they made. That unbalanced tech tree was their own doing.

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  • [–] 52 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Ads used to be static text in the sidebar that the site owner manually put there. They didn't have any tracking and didn't slow down the loading time. Once they started adding images, I started using an ad blocker. I was stuck on dial-up until 2008 and a single, small image could add 10 or more seconds to the page loading time.

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  • I was even okay with images. It’s when the images started moving, making it difficult and distracting to read text that I realized if they are willing to sacrifice the core purpose of the page for ads, it’s only going to get worse.

    Remember the target that would move back and forth really quickly to try to get you to click it?

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  • [–] 167 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    The use of the term "Dark traffic" here is to paint the use of ad-blockers as something nefarious. Don't use it, fuck these people right in their stupid mouths.

    I propose using the terms "clean traffic", for ad-blocked website traffic, and "dogshit traffic" for everything else.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    They are so short sighted to. Ad blocker help advertizers. It allows sites to fill up sites with ads to the point of being unusable while not losing 100% of traffic. That keeps these site relevant enough that old people who don't have ad blockers end up there too when they follow links or google ranks a site high because it has traffic.

    If they got rid of all ad block somehow they would have to decrease the ads because I wouldn't use the web. Or online communities would be way more conscious of the ad level of the things they link to.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The tech community is pacified into not taking action against the polluters by our adblockers because we don't see the egregious ads and so we don't fight the good fight for the user.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Ad blockers are the fight. Those users who can't be bothered to learn a bit about the devices they spend so much time on aren't owed anything.

    What does "fighting the good fight" even look like to you in this context, anyways?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    those users who can’t be bothered to learn
    snooty tech elitism

    What does “fighting the good fight” even look like to you in this context, anyways?
    We built the entire infrastucture, we can poison it's business model.

    When the first banner ad appeared on the web, the condemnation was not loud enough and it was allowed to fester.
    At this points these entities have become large enough that the evil practice that could have been snuffed out, is now being accepted.
    Now every slimey thing on the internet is due for the mother of all crackdowns. Something like the GDPR times 911.

    I'm not in the mood for centrist technocratic measured solution at the moment.
    If it makes more than a million a year and it's using any kind of psychological tactics,
    that's advertising, sponsored search, dark patterns, then BURN IT ALL DOWN

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    The tech community came up with a technical solution to the ad problem. If the solution you're looking for isn't technical, why is your focus on the tech community?

    Anyone can learn this shit. Use any search engine, type "how to block internet ads", and you'll see results with "firefox" and "ublock origin", that can then be put into "how to get" follow up searches.

    The current state of ads is being accepted by those who don't block them. Everyone who does block them (or refuses to visit ad cancer sites) has cut off that source of revenue, but those who just choose to accept the default option enable them by not just seeing the ads but even sometimes clicking them and buying shit.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    depending on your household's browsing habits, it can be downright insane how much traffic goes through ones network (and the web at large), that is just nothing but dog shit.

    I monitored my pihole at my place and my own traffic is usually no more than 15% garbage with about 750,000 domains blocked, but the second grandma or grandpa starts doomscrolling boomer things on their phones and ipads. I saw the network traffic at 60% blocked one time and I had to confront them and flatly ask them "what the fuck are you doing on your phone?"

    also set up a Region exemption or whatever, blocking russian, chinese, and a whole bunch of other untrustworthy TLDs and im literally showing my grandmother the repeated attempts to communicate with something in fucking China in real time whilst she's playing some solitare game she downloaded.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I saw the network traffic at 60% blocked one time and I had to confront them and flatly ask them “what the fuck are you doing on your phone?”

    Be careful of the answer. Sometimes ignorance is bliss.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    rhetorical question, I know what she's doing, clicking on random shit and then blaming other people for her problems.

    every intrusive advertisement or popup. "I got hacked" every wrong website she goes to "this is a scam"

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  • [–] 134 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    People are taking the piss out of you everyday. They butt into your life, take a cheap shot at you and then disappear. They leer at you from tall buildings and make you feel small. They make flippant comments from buses that imply you’re not sexy enough and that all the fun is happening somewhere else. They are on TV making your girlfriend feel inadequate. They have access to the most sophisticated technology the world has ever seen and they bully you with it. They are The Advertisers and they are laughing at you.

    You, however, are forbidden to touch them. Trademarks, intellectual property rights and copyright law mean advertisers can say what they like wherever they like with total impunity.

    Fuck that. Any advert in a public space that gives you no choice whether you see it or not is yours. It’s yours to take, re-arrange and re-use. You can do whatever you like with it. Asking for permission is like asking to keep a rock someone just threw at your head.

    You owe the companies nothing. Less than nothing, you especially don’t owe them any courtesy. They owe you. They have re-arranged the world to put themselves in front of you. They never asked for your permission, don’t even start asking for theirs.

    – Banksy

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Cool quote, where did you get it from?

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  • [–] 118 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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    Besides the miserable experience unchecked advertisements cause, it is simply not safe to allow those advertisements to load.

    A few years ago (before SSDs were common) I noticed unusual hard disk activity when loading a popular link aggregation site. A bit of investigation turned up a Trojan on my system. After removing it and reloading that site, my PC was immediately reinfected. The site owner denied any responsibility and said it was the advertising company's fault.

    The way the Internet operates now means no one is responsible for the content their site provides or the damage they cause. Imagine if restaurant owners were able to deny responsibility for the atmosphere in their restaurants or food poisonings they caused? IMO it's the same thing.

    Advertisers and websites have created the "dark traffic" mentioned here by repeatedly poisoning the public and they deserve the massive loss of revenue their behavior has caused.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Name and shame. Who's the link aggregator?

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  • [–] 94 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Advertising needs to become as socially acceptable as smoking.

    It arbitrary pollutes any environment it’s conducted in, and causes secondary harms to non-participants by incentivising insecure hoarding of private information with the intent to better target individuals.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago*

    Agreed left unchecked it is horrible, one of the darkest pervasive elements of capitalism, used in a manipulative manner. We've reached astounding understanding of human psyche and are using that knowledge with advertising to control people's subconscious. It's disgusting.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    While I definitely agree that most advertising these days is terrible, I do wonder how it should be done. How would you market a product you made? I genuinely want to know what you find acceptable.

    Say that you invent a new type of ladder that is much more stable than normal ones, or maybe you start 3D printing a very cool figurine that you've designed. In either case, you realize you have a product that some people will probably want to buy, if only they knew about it.

    You probably won't go to an ad network, I wouldn't. But do you make a post about it on Lemmy? That's advertising. Do you tell your friends about it? Most of them probably don't need a ladder, but maybe a couple would buy your figurine, though that is unlikely to be enough to kickstart your 3D design company.

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  • [–] 91 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    Raw-dogging the internet without an adblocker is about as irresponsible as not using contraception

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  • [–] 82 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I used to maintain a website for a bicycling club in my county that was great for getting people into biking, getting people out the house, making friends, and staying fit.

    We had a banner ad along the top of the site for a local bicycle/bicycle repair shop that aided the club a lot and was very reasonable.

    He got something out of it (publicity and a seal of approval towards the value/quality of his work), and we got something out of it (money to run the site, and a bit left over for things like puncture repair kits and the occasional celebratory drink after an arduous ride).

    Nobody bats an eyelid to those ads. They are reasonable.

    What we have now isn't that. What we have now is an insecure, malware-infested privacy nightmare that ruins webpages and stresses everybody out.

    Use Firefox + uBlock origin for your own sanity. Don't let big tech make you feel guilty for not going along with their game.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago*

    Use Firefox + uBlock origin for your own sanity. Don’t let big tech make you feel guilty for not going along with their game.

    100% this and also, consider allow-listing specific sites which deserve your support, or better yet, contribute directly if you can – e.g. your local bike club forum, your local newspaper, a blogger whose work you enjoy, etc., assuming of course, the ads are reasonable.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    Guilty? Hahahahahaha

    They will never make me feel guilty because they are the guilty ones. Guilty of greed and of destroying our society. Fuck big advetisers. They would put billboards in outre space if they thought it would make them a tenth of a penny more in profit.

    I dont even consider them human to be honest.

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  • [–] 71 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Website: "You appear to be using an ad blocker." Me: "You appear to be correct."

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    'disable ad block to contine'. no

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