Nov 2 (Reuters) - A group of newspapers, including the New York Times (NYT.N), opens new tab and the New York Daily ​News, sued internet company Brave Software in Manhattan federal court ‌on Monday for allegedly scraping their articles for AI training and unlawfully enabling users of its web browser to circumvent their paywalls.

The newspapers said in the complaints, opens new tab ​that Brave illegally sells their content to AI companies including ​Anthropic, Perplexity and xAI — which are not defendants in the ⁠cases — in addition to infringing their copyrights by allowing users to ​access their articles for free

"The New York Times is overpaying its ​attorneys and underpaying its journalists. (Who could've easily identified the disinformation in this suit.)," a Perplexity spokesperson said in response

Spokespeople for Brave, Anthropic and xAI did not immediately ​respond to requests for comment on the complaints

"While we believe in ​the ethical and responsible use and development of AI, Brave has flouted established copyright ‌law ⁠and ignored repeated requests by The Times to stop its infringing conduct," New York Times spokesperson Graham James said in a statement

The news outlets have separately sued OpenAI in a potential landmark case over its AI ​training

The outlets' lawsuits ​filed on ⁠Monday said that Brave "acts both like a burglar that misappropriates the content of publishers, and an AI 'fence' that ​sells stolen content to third parties"

The cases are ​New York ⁠Times Co v. Brave Software Inc, US District Court for the Southern District of New York, No. 1:26-cv-09549 and Daily News LP v. Brave ⁠Software ​Inc, US District Court for the Southern ​District of New York, No. 1:26-cv-09554

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[–] 10 points 1 week ago

Two companies that suck going at it

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (1 child)

    Kinda curious if Brave actually does this. Definitely lawsuit territory if so.

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    [–] 10 points 1 week ago

    It'll be interesting if they find it legal for the AI companies to buy the "stolen" data from Brave. Is this the limit of scraping for AI?

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  • [–] 27 points 1 week ago (21 children)

    Zero useful information. Just quotes. What does brave do??

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  • [–] 58 points 1 week ago* (10 children)

    The court filing is linked in the first paragraph and worth a read. The article is a bit vague because the claims in the filing are pretty sweeping, but to list some highlights:

    • Brave started selling copyrighted scraped articles in bulk from their search index to AI companies
    • Brave built explicit and targeted functionality into their browser to circumvent newspaper paywalls
    • Brave repeats long, verbatim sections of NYT & other papers’ material on request through their AI web search feature

    I’m neither an attorney nor a huge fan of IP rights writ large, but in my reading, the newspapers are making a pretty strong case that Brave is consciously stealing and reselling copyrighted material in unaltered form for monetary gain.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 days ago (3 children)

    IP rights are pretty awesome for a lot of engineers, writers and artists.

    Regardless, anyone who's paywall can be defeated by a little JS switcheroo has dogshit for a paywall. If I have apple trees in my yard, and my fence is made of 7 or 8 sticks, when people stop by and snack on an apple, should I be mad at them or myself?

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  • [–] 2 points 6 days ago* (2 children)

    Is it possible that Brave is accessing NYT through NYT subscribers using their browser?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 days ago (1 child)

    Sure, but it might be hard for NYT to make the case for that. All the browser fingerprint would say is "Chrome" and have spoofed data after that.

    I expect they did some trial and error to demonstrate what's happening before filling a lawsuit over it.

    That being said, NYT just told everyone how to get free NYT. Best advertising Brave ever had.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 days ago

    Also, I think the NYT made it easy to bypass so they can pick up the non-savvy or richer readers who otherwise wouldn't pay for something that is literally free, while still not limitting access and thereby reach. It might not be incompetence.

    It's a hard balance to strike, because the best advertising for your paper is articles people send to each other. If nobody can read them, then nobody will become intrigued by a subscription, but if they are totally free nobody will bother subscribing.

    That's why some sites have a certain number of free articles a month.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Thank you for the summary. Ironically, this makes me want to try Brave again, ha.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    I would love for someone to correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t brave one of the ones who would block the ads of a website just to see newer their own? So not only are you not supporting the website, you still see ads.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    Yeah, they’re shady, no doubt, I won’t really try them again. I’ll keep using Firefox and Librewolf and I use Kagi for search and like their AI summaries. I do like tools for accessing gated news when I need it, though, which was what piqued my interest.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 week ago (9 children)

    The newspapers said in the complaints, opens new tab ​that Brave illegally sells their content to AI companies including ​Anthropic, Perplexity and xAI — which are not defendants in the ⁠cases — in addition to infringing their copyrights by allowing users to ​access their articles for free

    The outlets' lawsuits ​filed on ⁠Monday said that Brave "acts both like a burglar that misappropriates the content of publishers, and an AI 'fence' that ​sells stolen content to third parties"

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  • [–] 25 points 1 week ago (7 children)

    That moment when you don't even know who you want to lose more

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  • [–] 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Brave is the commercial arm of a far right hate group.

    I'd say that's worse than a news website with paywalls.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Brave is the commercial arm of a far right hate group.

    Do you mind providing more details, for those of us who aren't informed about this? Is it something aside from their CEO?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago

    Good, Brendan needs to pay for the shitshow that is javascript.

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  • [+] -9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Not brave's fault nyt code is bad

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